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Post 2017 LG OLED - TruMotion Settings

I wanted to start a separate thread for discussions and recommendations for the TruMotion settings on all of the 2017 LG OLEDs.

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De-Judder works on 24/30 fps content and De-Blur only works on 60 fps content.

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I'm a Plasma guy that has never owned an LCD and just picked up a 2017 LG 65B7. I have Directv (1080i), an AppleTV 4 and a PS 4 Pro.

Right now, I have been floating De-Judder between 3-5 and I just leave De-Blur at 10 since I don't really watch any 60 fps content that I am aware of. I think 4 maybe the magic number for me but I am still playing with it.

I am looking forward to everyone's input and suggestions!

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Glad you created this Dan.

24p: DJ at 2 to get some of the edge of the judder off. Like this setting - no SOE - and minimal artifacts.

60: DJ and DB at 0, or completely off. Still fiddling with that one.


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Anybody notice an improvement in motion with everything off? I have TM off and Real Cinema off for all my Direct TV viewing and there's something differeng about it. Different meaning smoother/better.

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Anybody notice an improvement in motion with everything off? I have TM off and Real Cinema off for all my Direct TV viewing and there's something differeng about it. Different meaning smoother/better.
I can't say I tried that yet. I'll give it a go and report back.

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I have a 65" B7 panel; sources include DirecTV Genie client, Tivo Mini (OTA sources), and Apple TV4 fed through a Yamaha RX-A3000 with all video processing disabled.

I've found that Real Cinema creates a ton of interlacing artifacts on 1080i content from both the DirecTV and Tivo boxes. It's readily noticeable when scrolling quickly through the guides, or watching channels like NBC Sports Network with the scroller at the bottom of the screen. The white scrolling text was clean, but the "fast wipe" as it changed scrolling topics was littered with jagged edges on the text.

For most of the stuff we watch, I leave TruMotion at 4 & 10. It took a little while for me to trust turning any of the motion processing back on after the frustration with the interlacing issues, but it appears TruMotion alone doesn't create those problems. Lots of the shows on HGTV have panning shots, and TruMotion helps make that motion substantially cleaner to watch. This setting also works pretty great with hockey -- there are occasional processing artifacts, but the overall presentation is more natural with motion processing applied. The most readily noticeable thing for me is that the ads on the boards stay clear and sharp as the center ice camera pans with the action, making it feel closer to actually being there.

For movies, we disable all motion processing. The only exception is that when using Infuse on the AppleTV to play 24p content off my local NAS share, I'll turn on Real Cinema processing.
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I have a 65" B7 panel; sources include DirecTV Genie client, Tivo Mini (OTA sources), and Apple TV4 fed through a Yamaha RX-A3000 with all video processing disabled.

I've found that Real Cinema creates a ton of interlacing artifacts on 1080i content from both the DirecTV and Tivo boxes. It's readily noticeable when scrolling quickly through the guides, or watching channels like NBC Sports Network with the scroller at the bottom of the screen. The white scrolling text was clean, but the "fast wipe" as it changed scrolling topics was littered with jagged edges on the text.

For most of the stuff we watch, I leave TruMotion at 4 & 10. It took a little while for me to trust turning any of the motion processing back on after the frustration with the interlacing issues, but it appears TruMotion alone doesn't create those problems. Lots of the shows on HGTV have panning shots, and TruMotion helps make that motion substantially cleaner to watch. This setting also works pretty great with hockey -- there are occasional processing artifacts, but the overall presentation is more natural with motion processing applied. The most readily noticeable thing for me is that the ads on the boards stay clear and sharp as the center ice camera pans with the action, making it feel closer to actually being there.

For movies, we disable all motion processing. The only exception is that when using Infuse on the AppleTV to play 24p content off my local NAS share, I'll turn on Real Cinema processing.
This is the kind of information sharing I was hoping for.

I thought I noticed strange anomalies when using Real Cinema with DirecTv as well. Thanks for verifying that particular issue.

I am still deciding on a de-judder between 3,4 and 5 with a de-blur of 10. I just watched episode 3 of The Grand Tour on 5/10 and not bad, very few artifacts.

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On the 2016 model, one of the favorite true motion setting is DJ2 DB0 (alternative are DJ3 DB0). The thing in common is DB at 0.

It took one year of debate to finally have some form of consensus.

You could try this.

The rest of the people just turn Trumotion off and use Real Cinema only.
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I also read here that someone was using their Denon 4300 to upscale and noticed better motion handling. I gave it a shot (with Direct TV only so far) and I have to say there was a improvement. I look forward to settling my panel issue so I can really dig not the settings.

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I wanted to start a separate thread for discussions and recommendations for the TruMotion settings on all of the 2017 LG OLEDs.

Reminder:
De-Judder works on 24/30 fps content and De-Blur only works on 60 fps content.

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About me:
I'm a Plasma guy that has never owned an LCD and just picked up a 2017 LG 65B7. I have Directv (1080i), an AppleTV 4 and a PS 4 Pro.

Right now, I have been floating De-Judder between 3-5 and I just leave De-Blur at 10 since I don't really watch any 60 fps content that I am aware of. I think 4 maybe the magic number for me but I am still playing with it.

I am looking forward to everyone's input and suggestions!

Dan
Unless something has changed for 2017 OLEDs, I am 100% certain Dejudder works on both 60 and 24 fps content. I haven't seen Deblur do much of anything.

As far as settings go I settled on everything off including Real Cinema on 60 fps and DJ 4 for 24 fps.

Also, keep in mind that Real Cinema automatically shuts off as soon as you use Trumotion.

Also, DirecTV is 60 fps.

There are a lot of good nuggets of info here. A lot of this stuff has been tested.
2016 LG model OLED motion settings

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Also, keep in mind that Real Cinema automatically shuts off as soon as you use Trumotion.
On my TV the interlacing artifacts from having Real Cinema enabled happen independently of TruMotion being enabled or disabled, so the part of Real Cinema that impacts deinterlacing is still active regardless of TruMotion setting.

De-judder makes a huge difference on 1080i content, but that's technically 60 half-frame fields per second. Depending on how the TV processes the deinterlacing, that actually could break down to 30 complete frames per second.
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Unless something has changed for 2017 OLEDs, I am 100% certain Dejudder works on both 60 and 24 fps content. I haven't seen Deblur do much of anything.

As far as settings go I settled on everything off including Real Cinema on 60 fps and DJ 4 for 24 fps.

Also, keep in mind that Real Cinema automatically shuts off as soon as you use Trumotion.

Also, DirecTV is 60 fps.

There are a lot of good nuggets of info here. A lot of this stuff has been tested.
2016 LG model OLED motion settings
Good info. Thanks - A lot of people seem to have settled on DJ4. I think I am going to try DJ4 for tonights viewing. (House of Cards and some DirecTV)

Also, I believe DirecTV 1080i is 60 fields per second so when de-interlaced is 30 frames per second and 720p is 60 frames per second. Can anyone verify this?

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Also, I believe DirecTV 1080i is 60 fields per second so when de-interlaced is 30 frames per second and 720p is 60 frames per second. Can anyone verify this?

Thanks,
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That might explain how dejudder works on directv. So you are saying it is working on the 30 fps scenario.
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That might explain how dejudder works on directv. So you are saying it is working on the 30 fps scenario.
That is my understanding.

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Good info. Thanks - A lot of people seem to have settled on DJ4. I think I am going to try DJ4 for tonights viewing. (House of Cards and some DirecTV)

Also, I believe DirecTV 1080i is 60 fields per second so when de-interlaced is 30 frames per second and 720p is 60 frames per second. Can anyone verify this?

Thanks,
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I just switched my DirecTV to 720p and played with the Trumotion. It worked exactly like it does in 1080i. Dejudder has a big effect and I couldn't see any effect from deblur.

I haven't seen dejudder behave any differently with any source that I have used (internal apps, Blu-ray, media player, directv, Xbox). Dejudder always adds interpolated frames.
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I also read here that someone was using their Denon 4300 to upscale and noticed better motion handling. I gave it a shot (with Direct TV only so far) and I have to say there was a improvement. I look forward to settling my panel issue so I can really dig not the settings.


Yea, that was probably me. Always passing in 4k/60hz seems to give me the best output from devices that originate with 1080i or p content.

I have heard some folks claim the the new 5.60 firmware is better but I have not done any testing.


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Good morning all,

Below is a post that I did in the A1E forum. Basically I am having issues dialing in the motion on my 65B7, that is why I created this thread. I was hoping to find the golden settings for most content and I just haven't found it yet.

I thought it was 3/10 but the artifacts are just too obvious. So now I am trying 2/10, hopefully I can get used to the judder.

I really don't want to pay $1,500 more for an Android OS and only 2 full bandwidth HDMI ports.

Anyone in the same boat?

Any input is appreciated.

Dan


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Hey guys,

Looking for a little info from any of you A1E owners that used to have an LG OLED preferably a 2017 model.

I currently have a 65B7 and really love the image quality but I find that I am constantly having to change the TruMotion settings for all different kinds of content. I haven't found a setting for most content that is smooth without artifacts or other anomalies.

My questions for you are:

When you switched to the A1E is it more of a set and forget as far as motion settings?
Can you actually achieve smooth motion on 30FPS content without artifacts? (i.e. DirecTV, Hulu, Netflix, Amazon, etc)
I REALLY appreciate any input that you can offer. This is a very expensive TV which I purchased from Costco so I have 90 days to either come to terms with the motion or jump ship.

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Dan, are you connecting through your receiver?

If you are, try bypassing your receiver and connect directly to your TV. Also, a lot of people had very stuttery motion when they had the receiver upscale to 4k. Try just letting the TV upscale to 4k and see if that helps with your motion.

Good luck.
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Dan, are you connecting through your receiver?

If you are, try bypassing your receiver and connect directly to your TV. Also, a lot of people had very stuttery motion when they had the receiver upscale to 4k. Try just letting the TV upscale to 4k and see if that helps with your motion.

Good luck.
Nope. Going straight to the TV. I using DJ3 tonight with DirecTv and Hula via AppleTV, not too bad so far.

Thanks for the suggestion anyway
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2017 LG OLED - TruMotion Settings

So do we know if the 3.60 update with motion flow related problems which even early reviews made mention of.

I did my initial evaluation pre update and had a number of issues that caused me to use my AVR upscale and go to 60fps because of stutter issues (and tearing/white screen flashing.) I've been very happy with my setup but if things were really fixed than I'd consider reverting back to the LG doing upscaling.



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I am using DJ-2 and DB-0 for th time being. After a while, I will try adding some DB.


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As of last night, I am using DJ-3 and DB-10. I'll try not to screw with it tonight and just watch TV.

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One of the frustrating things for me is that TruMotion is either great or terrible depending on the content you're watching, and it's obnoxiously buried in the menu structure to be able to change it.

For reality TV, nature shows (ie, Planet Earth), and pretty much anything on HGTV I find TruMotion to be a hands-down winner. For hockey it's a bit of a mixed bag because the fast motion creates some artifacts, but the panning shots throughout the game are smooth and clear and make the game more immersive. For sitcoms, drama, and almost all movies it has to be off or the interpolation becomes distracting.

I wish there was a way to access that setting easily from the sidebar menu.
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Anybody notice an improvement in motion with everything off? I have TM off and Real Cinema off for all my Direct TV viewing and there's something differeng about it. Different meaning smoother/better.
Sorry for the delay. I forgot.

I am watching DirecTv right now with TruMotion off and it is definitely better than it was prior to the 3.60.09. It was so juddering before I couldn't watch it at all and now it is better. Are you running the new firmware?

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On the 2016 model, one of the favorite true motion setting is DJ2 DB0 (alternative are DJ3 DB0). The thing in common is DB at 0.

It took one year of debate to finally have some form of consensus.

You could try this.

The rest of the people just turn Trumotion off and use Real Cinema only.
Okay @Quebecker , I have to give credit where credit is due. I turned DB down to 0 and the irritating "digital halo" surrounding moving people/objects is gone.

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Okay @Quebecker , I have to give credit where credit is due. I turned DB down to 0 and the irritating "digital halo" surrounding moving people/objects is gone.

Thanks!
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I'd have to agree. The DB to 0 looks good to me. Still playing with settings for DJ. Thinking I may stick on DJ4, but need more time to watch some different content and evaluate more.
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Sorry for the delay. I forgot.

I am watching DirecTv right now with TruMotion off and it is definitely better than it was prior to the 3.60.09. It was so juddering before I couldn't watch it at all and now it is better. Are you running the new firmware?

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Latest update. Everything off and I feel like it's no different than my last plasma. Maybe side by side I'd see it but don't know for sure.

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Latest update. Everything off and I feel like it's no different than my last plasma. Maybe side by side I'd see it but don't know for sure.

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Latest firmware and noticed motion improvement. Last time I checked the LG site there was no info on the update. I want to know if I'm dreaming or not.

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One of the frustrating things for me is that TruMotion is either great or terrible depending on the content you're watching, and it's obnoxiously buried in the menu structure to be able to change it.

For reality TV, nature shows (ie, Planet Earth), and pretty much anything on HGTV I find TruMotion to be a hands-down winner. For hockey it's a bit of a mixed bag because the fast motion creates some artifacts, but the panning shots throughout the game are smooth and clear and make the game more immersive. For sitcoms, drama, and almost all movies it has to be off or the interpolation becomes distracting.

I wish there was a way to access that setting easily from the sidebar menu.
You could use a different picture mode for sports and/or higher DJ settings. It takes a while to tune them all (and not all have the good colour controls) but for sports I find I can get the "Sport" picture mode close enough, with higher DJ for smooth panning, etc. (I see a lot of ghost pucks though, but what can you do...). For most other things I'm on Cinema(User) or ISF Dark, and I keep DJ at 0 or 2, still playing with it also, but 2 seems okay. With 3 I was noticing some SOE on 60 Hz DVDs of tv shows.

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You could use a different picture mode for sports and/or higher DJ settings. It takes a while to tune them all (and not all have the good colour controls) but for sports I find I can get the "Sport" picture mode close enough, with higher DJ for smooth panning, etc. (I see a lot of ghost pucks though, but what can you do...). For most other things I'm on Cinema(User) or ISF Dark, and I keep DJ at 0 or 2, still playing with it also, but 2 seems okay. With 3 I was noticing some SOE on 60 Hz DVDs of tv shows.

That's good advice. It's what I do too. I use 3 picture modes: sports, Expert Bright (for movies) and Standard (for everything else). All with some tweaking specific to their content type.


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