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2017 LG OLED E7/G7 Owners Thread (No Price Talk)

No owners thread yet that I can find, so why not start one now.

Initial Impressions:

-ABL is indeed reduced compared to prior models. It's there, but really only noticeable on full screen white - Which remains the same peak as 2016 models. Barely noticeable in letterbox content.
-Vignetting/banding strikes back. It is indeed present on these models, but most 2017 models seem to resolve with normal usage and compensation cycles. Still way better than older OLEDs prior to 2016. Some reports of the reverse vignetting with brighter edges have been out there, but most seem to not use this "fix".
-Near black handling is vastly improved and can be noticed even in bright images with low light or dark areas (such as black or gray shirts outside). This increases perceived contrast and gives more depth to shapes, and actually means dynamic range is much improved. High contrast is the brightest white and darkest black, high dynamic range is everything in between.
-New HDR Modes - Standard, Cinema, Cinema Home, Game (Even game Dolby Vision Mode!)

-Standard HDR mode appears to not tone map and just clips according to the max brightness of the display
-Cinema/Cinema Home tone map according to EOTF curve for 1,000 or 4,000 nit (cinema home mode seems to have curve shifted slightly more to the left, creating a slightly brighter picture).
-Active HDR works by utilizing Cinema or Cinema Home mode by turning dynamic contrast on low
-Active HDR does not tone map if the peak brightness in a frame is within the displays brightness capabilities, tone maps if the image extends beyond what the display is capable of. I'd recommend using it at ALL times on HDR10 based content.
-Active HDR seems to have some sort of lag/dimming issues/bugs in Cinema Mode that doe not appear to be present in Cinema Mode (so far).

Attached are pics of Standard HDR mode vs Cinema Home Mode to see differences in a clipped vs tone mapped image in a 4,000 nit HDR 10 video. First image is Cinema Home, second image is clipped Standard HDR. So in essence if you want to display the image brighter like the Sony A1E, you have that option via the standard HDR mode. If you want it to tone map statically, you have that option too with Cinema/Home modes. If you want to combine the two and try to create dynamic metadata using Active HDR you can do that as well!
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So which do you have? If E7, do you use the soundbar or do you have a home audio system? I'm interested how well the builtin is. Thanks!
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So which do you have? If E7, do you use the soundbar or do you have a home audio system? I'm interested how well the builtin is. Thanks!
I bought a 65" E7 when they first came out. Besides the E&, my system comprises of an Oppo 203, Anthem AVM 60 audio preprocessor, Anthem 525 amps, and Paradigm speakers. I have settled on using the E7 internal speakers for everything except movies where the range, volume, and bass is definitely needed. Otherwise I find the internal speakers fine for the normal stuff on tv, sports, etc. though I do not need the volume to be very high.
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You still have the 940E ?
No, sir. I asked the same in another thread and gave up on them after his 4th or 5th one. Said he will never go back to an LCD. And I don't blame him!!!
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You still have the 940E ?
Lcd in my home is now officially forever excommunicado. As you say no TV is perfect, but some are inherently alot closer than others
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Lcd in my home is now officially forever excommunicado. As you say no TV is perfect, but some are inherently alot closer than others
How does the OLED look with DirecTV or your cable provider? I'm so torn whether or not I should return the 940e. 1080P or higher is nice on the Sony but anything lower than that looks like dog sh-t. It's a constant game of playing with the settings to try and make it look the best I can.

Everyone always screams about losing 10 inches but what's the point of that extra real estate if half the time there's a disappointing picture.

I'm coming from a Panasonic Plasma which looked great with DTV so I'm wondering if OLEDs are more up my alley.
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the 2017 oleds look much better than the 940e, the abl reduction helps tremendously if you're not calibrating to 100 nit. the hdr is better, the contrast is better, colors look more pure. just looks all around better. i'm using comcast cable which is dog crap anyways, but the output should be better on a 65 inch than a 75 inch just because of size alone.
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the 2017 oleds look much better than the 940e, the abl reduction helps tremendously if you're not calibrating to 100 nit. the hdr is better, the contrast is better, colors look more pure. just looks all around better. i'm using comcast cable which is dog crap anyways, but the output should be better on a 65 inch than a 75 inch just because of size alone.
I believe you. Calling BB to exchange the 940 for an OLED.
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As you say no TV is perfect, but some are inherently alot closer than others
LOL, this is true always a matter of opinion glad you found a keeper... E7 took some price hits.....
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I'm a proud owner of a 65" E7. I came from a 2015 Vizio M with a Vizio Soundbar. Hands down the picture is mind blowing. I've only had a couple hours with it and watched Moana and now my girlfriend is watching Twilight so it hasn't been put to it's fullest potential, but the picture is riduclously good looking just on Standard with power-saving off. Sound is good for my typical viewing in my living room. It was one of the many reasons I went with the E7 because I didn't want to wall mount & soundbars would get in the way of the bottom portion of a C7. Voices are clear, nothing is muddled, I think I made a great choice.

The screen is more reflective compared to the Vizio M, but all things should be alleviated once I put up room darkening shades for my 4 windows that face the TV.

I'm a converter. Props to Chris @ Cleveland Plasma for hooking it up & with the quick turn around. Ordered 28th, and got it today due to July 4th holiday.

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I was considering LGs SJ7 as a rear channel setup to compliment the TVs soundbar.

Any drawback to this setup? There's no mention of Atmos for these speakers but it is wireless sync ready so I'm guessing it's as simple as getting power to them and setting them up through the TV?

Am I missing out on the "atmos" experience with these in the rear?

I'm still a newbie so I can't link to it just yet so you're stuck googling the SJ7 yourself
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I was considering LGs SJ7 as a rear channel setup to compliment the TVs soundbar.

Any drawback to this setup? There's no mention of Atmos for these speakers but it is wireless sync ready so I'm guessing it's as simple as getting power to them and setting them up through the TV?

Am I missing out on the "atmos" experience with these in the rear?

I'm still a newbie so I can't link to it just yet so you're stuck googling the SJ7 yourself
I could be wrong, but I think dedicated soundbars, speakers need the atmos designation or else they won't play the encoding. It's like DTS and Dolby Audio.
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Has anyone seen the 55E7 in person? I heard something about it looking exactly the same as the 55E6 and only the 65E7 has changed with the metallic stand and the soundbar slightly higher up.
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No owners thread yet that I can find, so why not start one now.

Initial Impressions:

-ABL is indeed reduced compared to prior models. It's there, but really only noticeable on full screen white - Which remains the same peak as 2016 models. Barely noticeable in letterbox content.
-Vignetting/banding strikes back. It is indeed present on these models, but most 2017 models seem to resolve with normal usage and compensation cycles. Still way better than older OLEDs prior to 2016. Some reports of the reverse vignetting with brighter edges have been out there, but most seem to not use this "fix".
-Near black handling is vastly improved and can be noticed even in bright images with low light or dark areas (such as black or gray shirts outside). This increases perceived contrast and gives more depth to shapes, and actually means dynamic range is much improved. High contrast is the brightest white and darkest black, high dynamic range is everything in between.
-New HDR Modes - Standard, Cinema, Cinema Home, Game (Even game Dolby Vision Mode!)

-Standard HDR mode appears to not tone map and just clips according to the max brightness of the display
-Cinema/Cinema Home tone map according to EOTF curve for 1,000 or 4,000 nit (cinema home mode seems to have curve shifted slightly more to the left, creating a slightly brighter picture).
-Active HDR works by utilizing Cinema or Cinema Home mode by turning dynamic contrast on low
-Active HDR does not tone map if the peak brightness in a frame is within the displays brightness capabilities, tone maps if the image extends beyond what the display is capable of. I'd recommend using it at ALL times on HDR10 based content.
-Active HDR seems to have some sort of lag/dimming issues/bugs in Cinema Mode that doe not appear to be present in Cinema Mode (so far).

Attached are pics of Standard HDR mode vs Cinema Home Mode to see differences in a clipped vs tone mapped image in a 4,000 nit HDR 10 video. First image is Cinema Home, second image is clipped Standard HDR. So in essence if you want to display the image brighter like the Sony A1E, you have that option via the standard HDR mode. If you want it to tone map statically, you have that option too with Cinema/Home modes. If you want to combine the two and try to create dynamic metadata using Active HDR you can do that as well!
I am pretty much in the same boat that you were. I've got the XE9405 (UK model) at the moment and had a few issues so looking at OLEDs. Out of curiosity, what made you actually go for the LG in the end instead of the A1? Here in the UK, the price difference between the E7 and A1 is next to nothing, so not a massive factor for me. But I've seen some reviews pointing towards the E7 actually being better as it's a tad brighter and may be more suited coming from a pretty decent LCD set.

Your opinion would be most appreciated.
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I currently have the 65EF9500 and love it. How much of an improvement is the E7 over the 9500? If it is significant, I may sell my 9500 and get the E7 but if it is an incremental improvement which can only be really appreciated side by side, I will probably wait a few more cycles and upgrade in 2019 or 2020.
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I am pretty much in the same boat that you were. I've got the XE9405 (UK model) at the moment and had a few issues so looking at OLEDs. Out of curiosity, what made you actually go for the LG in the end instead of the A1? Here in the UK, the price difference between the E7 and A1 is next to nothing, so not a massive factor for me. But I've seen some reviews pointing towards the E7 actually being better as it's a tad brighter and may be more suited coming from a pretty decent LCD set.

Your opinion would be most appreciated.
I would of went with the A1E for the tone mapping, processor, & unique sound system, but the tilt & android OS were turn offs for me. Here in the US the price is also a factor.
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I currently have the 65EF9500 and love it. How much of an improvement is the E7 over the 9500? If it is significant, I may sell my 9500 and get the E7 but if it is an incremental improvement which can only be really appreciated side by side, I will probably wait a few more cycles and upgrade in 2019 or 2020.
the improvement is unbelievably massive.

you get dolby vision and much more brightness. the difference is night and day.
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Is the sound bar integrated into the unit or can it be removed?


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Do you guys think the E6 stand will fit on the E7 frame? I prefer the 'flush' look of the E6 without viewing the wall behind it, but LG doesn't know if the stands are interchangeable.
On the E6, there's a small amount of black plastic under the soundbar on either side of the stand that doesn't look present on the E7, but there are no models on display locally so I can't check for sure.
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I have a 50" Panasonic Plasma, TH-50PX600U, that I plan on replacing when prices come down in September. Unfortunately nothing larger than 55" will fit my space.
Other than the built-in soundbar, what does the E7 have over a C7? Is it just a lack of a bezel?
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Pretty much the same sets now minus the sound bar, some seem to feel the E model has a better picture but the review guys feel they are equal....
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Pretty much the same sets now minus the sound bar, some seem to feel the E model has a better picture but the review guys feel they are equal....
I've been watching TV through Playstation Vue (Shows, Basketball, Golf, F1, UFC), Netflix in both light and dark scenarios and have no complaints. I haven't noticed any visible vignetting (and won't go searching with slides), the webOS 3.0 is smooth like butter, and I couldn't be happier with the purchase. My only gripe right is that blacks get crushed in certain instances, but I'm confident that can be fixed once calibrated. For now, it's just casual viewing with Standard and Cinema until I get to the optimal amount of hours. I'm not sure why so many B7/C7 people have issues. My only guess is that many more people go for that purchase from a price perspective & are looking for issues being enthusiasts wanting perfection. The build is March 2017.

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Other than the sound bar, what are the differences between the C7 & the E7? I am mainly looking for this to be for gaming and the other contender is the ZD9 Sony. But in my research, the only main things I am finding between the C7 and E7 are the sound bar, but at $1000.00 price difference I am sure there might be other differences that I am not finding.

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Other than the sound bar, what are the differences between the C7 & the E7? I am mainly looking for this to be for gaming and the other contender is the ZD9 Sony. But in my research, the only main things I am finding between the C7 and E7 are the sound bar, but at $1000.00 price difference I am sure there might be other differences that I am not finding.
Sound bar and picture on glass. LG claims all panels are the same.
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I still think the E7 and both Signature 7series get the best of the best panels Lg has when making the TV's.
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Where's your proof? The G6 got some serious stinkers last year (that looked subjectively worse than many B6s and E6s seen here). Maybe they'll go a few nits higher than the rest...again, need proof.
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I still think the E7 and both Signature 7series get the best of the best panels Lg has when making the TV's.
well that ain't true. the only 2017 model i saw with vignetting was in fact an e7.
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At $1000.00 price difference I am sure there might be other differences that I am not finding.
Not really, nope......Good new's is street pricing is not $1000 difference......
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