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OLED Screen Uniformity Discussion-Banding and Vignetting

If you have an OLED and want to post your 5% grey slides etc., please post them here for discussion. This can be the place for us to compare and contrast our panels. It may even show us if any of these issues get better over time. *Please note your panel size and brand.


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5% Banding Test YouTube

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Marco Polo - Netflix - 14-16 minutes (S1E3)

Here's a link to the slides for those who want 10%, 100% and 0% through 5% for USB playback: https://mega.nz/#!f4Ig2ASC!iu7UrrzLI...uJqDY47lz-xYcs

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Here is some content examples I've personally used.
Arrival
First, where she is walking into school through the corridors up the steps (from 4:00). Camera panning over grass field (from 18:48). Next when they first go up into the capsule and travel up (from 26:20). Another is right at the end of the film where the camera pans down from the ceiling to the scene looking out through the window to the sea (from 1:45:25).

Interstellar
At the beginning of the movie, right after the flight scene, main character wakes up (1:48). Very dark scene.

The Martian
At the beginning of the movie, horizontal camera pan showing Mars red mountains (1:26)

Prometheus
Scenes in the caves on the alien world (34:11)

Passengers
Pool scene. Panning shot of spaceship (41:35)

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Zero Dark Thirty
5 minute raid scene starting at 2:00:00) with pics posted here.

Star Trek Beyond
Camera pan over space background starting around 0:11:30 - 0:12:30

Oblivion
Camera pan over smoke filled crash-site at 0:50:00

The OA
S01E01 - 0:10:30: Camera panning inside dimly lit room.
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Can you throw up a link for the 5% slides?

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Can you throw up a link for the 5% slides?
I think most simply use this YouTube video.


I'll see if I can get a downloadable slide link.

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Oh cool thanks - that should be enough

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here's mine after 200 some hours:
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Thanks for doing this, it is a big enough issue still in 2017 to warrant it's own discussion.
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If you have an OLED and want to post your 5% grey slides etc., please post them here for discussion.

This can be the place for us to compare and contrast our panels. It may even show us if any of these issues get better over time.

Here's a couple of examples from my C7 that I have at the moment.

One is a slide and the other is from a movie. You can see the vignetting on the right side of the panel.
What movie is that? Time frame? Settings used?
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Thanks for putting this up.
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Might also be helpful to state whether it's a 55" or 65" (assuming it's not already in your signature), as I gather from reading other posts that there are more issues with the 65".
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here's mine after 200 some hours:
Looks like you won the lottery

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Looks like you won the lottery
no way... looks awful in real low light content, i think it's just the camera exposure that's flattening it out. the two goal posts are clearly visible in low light scenes
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1300 hours on my E6. Hasn't changed much since running it's first auto comp cycle.
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1300 hours on my E6. Hasn't changed much since running it's first auto comp cycle.
that doesn't look too bad, can you see banding in dark content?
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that doesn't look too bad, can you see banding in dark content?
Never notice banding at all. The slides you really want to look at are the 1 and 2% slides. Those are the near black slides that will be the problem in low light scenes. That's why the EF9500 has really bad banding issues. The 5% slides really didn't show much issue on those tv's, but once you loaded the 1 and 2%, it was jail bar city.
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Never notice banding at all. The slides you really want to look at are the 1 and 2% slides. Those are the near black slides that will be the problem in low light scenes. That's why the EF9500 has really bad banding issues. The 5% slides really didn't show much issue on those tv's, but once you loaded the 1 and 2%, it was jail bar city.
true that! Same with vignetting
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Thanks Vidpro for creating this thread.

I've attached a couple pictures. LG OLED65B7P.

1) My first panel. It had banding all over the place and could easily see it in all content. It was very distracting. It was bothering me a lot.

2) Banding from a scene in Interstellar. Phone camera overexposes the issue but you get the idea.

3) Banding from a scene in Prometheus. Phone camera over-exagerates the issue but it was very easy to see in real life.

4) Again from Prometheus. Same deal.

5) Banding from the Infamous panning shot in Arrival (18:48). It looked pretty much like that in real life.

All the above are from my first panel.

6) 5% Grey scale from my 2nd panel after LG replaced the first one. It has much better uniformity. I can still see bands but way less frequently and when I do, it is less obvious. Using the same scenes as above: can barely see banding in Interstellar. Don't see it in Prometheus and can see very faint in Arrival.
This is from a 65''.

7) Same as 2 but on the 2nd panel

8) Same as 4 on the 2nd panel

9) Same as 5 on the 2nd panel

Vidpro may I suggest we settle on one picture preset that we could suggest to people they use while taking the photo. I picked ISF Dark, not sure what others are using.

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great pics man, you got any captures in of the same content with the new tv? like that interstellar shot?
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great pics man, you got any captures in of the same content with the new tv? like that interstellar shot?
Didn't take any pictures except 5% grey on the 2nd panel. There was no need - I took those pictures in the first place to show LG what was what

I'll try to take at least one and update my post.
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Posted this in the other thread but figured id ask here as well thanks

Hey guys what brightness/oled light settings are you using for the 5% grey test, I initially tested it and I seen a bit of banding and some black blobs but then I realized the tv was on power saving mode which has oled light completely off. So with oled light max and brightness 50% it was near perfect and with brightness set to 100% it was perfect. May6 build.

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Anyone have any opinion or info on how many panel wipes gets you to a point of diminishing returns when trying to reduce the banding/vignetting? I seem to recall one post in another thread from a guy who reported that doing a 3rd panel wipe actually made his panel worse.

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What movie is that? Time frame? Settings used?
I think I was watching it (Christine) on TV. I don't have a time stamp other than it's probably the last third of the movie. Also don't remember how the TV was set. Sorry.

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Any black frame will do. Even a freeze of a fade out. If you do a freeze frame on say DirecTV, remember you may get some noise from the video. I simply find any full black screen and pause. Once you do that just click your brightness either side of 50 up or down to see what's going on. A 5% slide doesn't tell the whole story.

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Anyone have any opinion or info on how many panel wipes gets you to a point of diminishing returns when trying to reduce the banding/vignetting? I seem to recall one post in another thread from a guy who reported that doing a 3rd panel wipe actually made his panel worse.
It seems after the first couple it is what it is other than banding maybe fading over a lot of hours.

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Any black frame will do. Even a freeze of a fade out. If you do a freeze frame on say DirecTV, remember you may get some noise from the video. I simply find any full black screen and pause. Once you do that just click your brightness either side of 50 up or down to see what's going on. A 5% slide doesn't tell the whole story.
What about OLED light ? Should that be on ?
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What about OLED light ? Should that be on ?
It don't think it really matters, but I'd keep it on.

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Just to be fair, slides are one way of checking. As we are reminded, there are no perfect TVs. I'm not looking for perfection. I'm looking for a viewing experience where the faults of the screen are not pulling me out of the movie I'm watching. So the real thing you want to know is do you see these issues when watching "real" content.

That being said, the other way to check is to just watch a varied amount of content. If you don't see these issues cropping up or cropping up too often and they don't bother you, then you're good to go.

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May I recommend that we post the model and size of our sets when posting slides? Would be nice to get a sampling of 65 vs. 55 (and 77) uniformity, etc. Also, does the forum support a poll? Probably unscientific, but might be helpful in tabulating actual numbers of people experiencing panel issues (banding, vignetting, reverse vignetting, uneven whites, yellow bands, warped/bent panels, etc.)
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Might also be helpful to state whether it's a 55" or 65" (assuming it's not already in your signature), as I gather from reading other posts that there are more issues with the 65".

Agreed. Not only the size, but the brand and model number. It would be great to see a mixture of Sony and LG OLEDs (and other brands) in different screen sizes.

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Agreed. Not only the size, but the brand and model number. It would be great to see a mixture of Sonys and LGs in different screen sizes.
Good point. I'll add it to the first post.

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Just to be fair, slides are one way of checking. As we are reminded, there are no perfect TVs. I'm not looking for perfection. I'm looking for a viewing experience where the faults of the screen are not pulling me out of the movie I'm watching. So the real thing you want to know is do you see these issues when watching "real" content.

That being said, the other way to check is to just watch a varied amount of content. If you don't see these issues cropping up or cropping up too often and they don't bother you, then you're good to go.
Well so far I've watched xman , bit of sports and played some battlefield 1 on my PS4 and haven't noticed anything , when it gets darker I'm gunna do another slide test with 30-40% OLED Light and 50% brightness just to see because 100% OLED and 50% brightness it was near perfect , il post pics as well.
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