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View Poll Results: Have you owned any new WOLEDs exhibiting burn-in?
0 of 3 9 6.38%
0 of 2 18 12.77%
0 of 1 84 59.57%
1 of 3 0 0%
1 of 2 4 2.84%
2 of 3 0 0%
1 of 1 23 16.31%
2 of 2 0 0%
3 of 3 0 0%
4 or more with no permanent Burn-in 3 2.13%
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WOLED burn-in poll

Number of new WOLEDs you have owned (not used or floor models) exhibiting permanent burn-in.

Poll graph is meaningless. Current results on 8/22/17 indicate a 17-out-of-135 or 15.6% rate of defective WOLEDs exhibiting burn-in. How this is calculated from the raw data is explained below

I started this poll to get some sense of what % of AVS members are exhibiting signs of serios burn-in on their new WOLEDs.

If you purchased a used WOLED or a floor model, please do not vote.

For those who have purchased 1 of more new WOLEDs, please let us know whether you have seen any signs of this serious problem.

Indication seem to be that evidence of burn-in can be seen following ~700 hours of use, so please do not vote if you do not have at least 700 hours on your OLED or it is at least a year old.

Whether you have evidence of burn-in or not, a quick post would be appreciated indicating:
-how you voted
-WOLED model,
-how many hours on on your OLED
-estimate of how many hours watching static logos like CNN or CNBC
-estimate of how many hours playing video games with static HUDs
-the setting you use for OLED Light

Here is how the poll has been structured:

If you've owned only a single OLED and it did not exhibit any burn-in, vote '0 out of 1'

If you've owned 2 OLEDs and neither exhibited any burn-in, vote '0 out of 2'

Same if you've owned 3 OLEDs without any burn-in ('0 out if 3')

If you've owned 4 or more snd none showed burn-in, the final catch-all if for you.

If you've only owned a single OLED and it did suffer from burn-in, then you eoujd vote '1 out of 1'

If you've owned 2 OLEDs and one of them demonatrated burn-in, then vote '1out of 2'

And if you've owned 3 OLEDs and only one of them exibited burn-in, then vote '1 out of 3'

Finally, if you were unfortunate to own OLEDs or 3 OLEDs, all of which exhibited burn-in, you'd vote '2 out of 2' or '3 out of 3' and the final category is for anyone who has owned 3 OLEDs out of which 2 exhibited burn-in('2 out of 3').


Personally, I have owned 9 new WOLEDs and never seen any signs of permanent burn-in.

4 55EC9300s over 6 months (all dimpled)

4 65EF9500s over 9 months (all with excessive vignette)

1 65C6P which I have has for about 9 months and close to 700 hours of use with no signs of burn-in (just checked).

So I voted '4 or more with no burn-in' .

I will use this lead post to update statistics from time-to-time...

Ignore poll results as graphed - the graph is meaningless

To know what the poll means, total up OLEDs exhibitibg burn-in and devide by total OLEDs overall.

As of 8/22/17, we have 21 burn-in OLEDs out of 74 single-OLED owners, 17 dual-OLED owners, 5 triple-OLED owner and a 3 '4 or more' OLED owners.

So 21 OLEDs with evidence of burn-in out of 74x1 + 17x2 + 5x3 + 3x4 = 135 OLEDs.

So we are currently at a burn-in rate of 17-BI-OLEDs-out-of-135 or 15.6%
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I've been told that the few OLED owners with permanent burn-in are not long-term AVSers, only show up on the Forum to ask about their burn-in problem, and then dissapear.

And for that reason, I'm told this poll will fail.

On the other hand, there are probably several hundred OLED owners here on AVS (and maybe several thousand by now ) and so if none of them have ever experienced OLED burn-in, it suggests there may not be any problem (technical, quality, or otherwise) assuming normal usage patterns.

If you are an OLED owner and visit this thread, please vote.

So far we've got 2 votes with 0% burn-in...
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I own 2 of different generations. Neither has burn in and both are over 1,000 hours now.

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I own 2 of different generations. Neither has burn in and both are over 1,000 hours now.
So far we've got 6 owners with a total of 10 OLEDs (15 if you count all 9 of mine ) without any sign of permanent burn-in.

If we can get a number of owners in the 50-100 range, it'll be a more meaningful statistic, but this is a first early indication that any issue is well below a 10% issue...
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Number of new WOLEDs (not used or floor models) exhibiting permanent burn-in

I started this poll to get somecsense of what % of AVS members are exhibiting signs of serios burn-in on their new WOLEDs.

If you purchased a used WOLED or a floor model, please do not vote.

For those who have purchased 1 of more new WOLEDs, please let us know whether you have seen any signs of this serious problem.

Personally, I have owned 9 new WOLEDs and never seen any signs of permanent burn-in.

4 55EC9300s over 6 months (all dimpled)

4 65EF9500s over 9 months (all with excessive vignette)

1 65C6P which I have has for about 9 months and close to 700 hours of use with no signs of burn-in (just checked),

I will use this lead post to update statistics from time-to-time...
I think this poll is a great idea, but the way it is structured is a little confusing.

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0 of 2 for me. I haven't even noticed image retention, let alone burn-in.

Use case:

50% TV shows
25% Rainbow Six Siege (SDR first person shooter with static imagery)
25% Horizon Zero Dawn (HDR with some static imagery)

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I have not performed any manual compensation cycles on my second C7.
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I think this poll is a great idea, but the way it is structured is a little confusing.

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Agree with Dan's comment - if your are 4 for 4 it seems like that would be 4 with burn in vs. 0 with burn-in out of 4 bought displays. A little clarification please or your poll may indeed fail

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I voted, but agree the choices are confusing.

Would be better if you just asked:

How many OLEDs have you owned that developed Burn-in
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etc

Most people will be in the O category with a few in the 1 cat.
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I voted, but agree the choices are confusing.

Would be better if you just asked:

How many OLEDs have you owned that developed Burn-in
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etc

Most people will be in the O category with a few in the 1 cat.
Yes but each user can only vote once so we can't get an accurate count of units

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I've been told that the few OLED owners with permanent burn-in are not long-term AVSers, only show up on the Forum to ask about their burn-in problem, and then dissapear.

And for that reason, I'm told this poll will fail.

On the other hand, there are probably several hundred OLED owners here on AVS (and maybe several thousand by now ) and so if none of them have ever experienced OLED burn-in, it suggests there may not be any problem (technical, quality, or otherwise) assuming normal usage patterns.

If you are an OLED owner and visit this thread, please vote.

So far we've got 2 votes with 0% burn-in...
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I would set it up like this:

Who has experienced permanent, non-correctable burn-in on their OLED TVs?

0 - I have not experienced it
1 - I have experienced it on one set
2 - I have experienced it on two sets
3 - I have experienced it on three sets
4 - I have experienced it on four or more sets.

This poll should be created for banding and vignetting as well, since that is a far more prevalent issue requiring multiple panel swaps, returns and exchanges, and causes significant cost to LG and if illuminated, could help them realize their QC and panel manufacturing process needs improvement.
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I would set it up like this:

Who has experienced permanent, non-correctable burn-in on their OLED TVs?

0 - I have not experienced it
1 - I have experienced it on one set
2 - I have experienced it on two sets
3 - I have experienced it on three sets
4 - I have experienced it on four or more sets.

This poll should be created for banding and vignetting as well, since that is a far more prevalent issue requiring multiple panel swaps, returns and exchanges, and causes significant cost to LG and if illuminated, could help them realize their QC and panel manufacturing process needs improvement.
First, anyone that wants to try to structure a new poll in whatever way they want is welcome to have a stab at it.

Second, there are a maximum of 10 entries and I am pretty sure there are more members who have owned multiple OLEDs not exhibiting burn-in due to other quality issues (ie: nonuniformity) than
there are members who have owned multiple sets showing permanent burn in.

There is already a 2016 poll on excessive vignette which can be revied or copied if anyone is interested - the purpose of this poll is specifically to take advantage of our owner-base to get a swag as to whether LG really has a new and growing issue with burn-in (possibly caused by failty pixel cleaning technology) or it is a false alarm...

I thought the poll categories were self explanatory but will add further detail to the lead post...

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0 out of 2. Played video games a decent amount on my ef9500, have yet to play much on my c7p.


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This poll isn't counting sets either. It's tallying how many owners had a burn-in issue. At least with the other method, it would be easier to multiply the total number of people that voted for a particular number (other than 0), by that number.

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This poll isn't counting sets either. It's tallying how many owners had a burn-in issue. At least with the other method, it would be easier to multiply the total number of people that voted for a particular number (other than 0), by that number.
Oh, you're right, I forgot to mention to ignore the poll results as graphed - the meaning of the poll is calculated manually from the raw data.

As of now we have 14 single-OLED owners, 4 dual-OLED owners, and 1 4+ OLED owners, all without a single OLED exhibiting burn-in.

So that is 0 OLEDs with burn in out of a totao of 14x1 + 4x2 + 4x1 = 26 OLEDs (or 31 if you want to count all 9 of mine ).

If we assume the next owner to vote had a burn-in OLED, we can't currently be worse than 1-out-of-27 or 3.7% (and if we count all 9 of mine, we can't be worse than 1-out-of-32 or 3.1%).
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Oh, you're right, I forgot to mention to ignore the poll results as graphed - the meaning of the poll is calculated manually from the raw data.

As of now we have 14 single-OLED owners, 4 dual-OLED owners, and 1 4+ OLED owners, all without a single OLED exhibiting burn-in.

So that is 0 OLEDs with burn in out of a totao of 14x1 + 4x2 + 4x1 = 26 OLEDs (or 31 if you want to count all 9 of mine ).

If we assume the next owner to vote had a burn-in OLED, we can't currently be worse than 1-out-of-27 or 3.7% (and if we count all 9 of mine, we can't be worse than 1-out-of-32 or 3.1%).
Someone voted "1 of 1" which means that that person has 1 OLED with burn-in, no?

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Someone voted "1 of 1" which means that that person has 1 OLED with burn-in, no?
Yes, first indication of a member experiencing burn-in. This is a new vote and I will update my recap later today...
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Yes, first indication of a member experiencing burn-in. This is a new vote and I will update my recap later today...
Updated. With that first reported 1-out-of-1 OLED exhibiting burn-in, we are at a defectivity rate of 1 out of 30 or 3.3% (or 2.9% if all 9 of my burn-in-free WOLEDs are counted...).

I woukd be good to get another 30 WOLED owners to vote...
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I think it's too early for most of us to post. On my plasma i had 3years free of BI, last year i was like "**** it i don't care" so i got some BI from firefox and WoW just by changing my habits - after 6000 hours. Right now my C6 has only 360 hours so it's quite irrelevant that i have 0 IR or BI.

Btw, before switching sets (returned a C6 to BB) i noticed that it was more prone to IR than the set i have now ... after few minutes on desktop i could see IR on some regions that were yellow heavy. On my second set i don't see it. But even on my second set i can see some IR if i open paint, draw 2 squares, red and yellow, and keep them on the creen for something like 5 mins. It goes away very fast but it's there, very faint.

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I think it's too early for most of us to post. On my plasma i had 3years free of BI, last year i was like "**** it i don't care" so i got some BI from firefox and WoW just by changing my habits - after 6000 hours. Right now my C6 has only 360 hours so it's quite irrelevant that i have 0 IR or BI.

Btw, before switching sets (returned a C6 to BB) i noticed that it was more prone to IR than the set i have now ... after few minutes on desktop i could see IR on some regions that were yellow heavy. On my second set i don't see it.
You raise a valid point, and perhaps we need to distinguish between short-term burn in and long-term burn-in.

From the reports on the thread, I think here we are primarily looking for signs of short-term burn-in (< 1year, 300-500 hours of use).

Burn-in after 3+ years and thousands of hours of use is equally important, but a whole different subject (for a whole different poll ).

From the reports on the other thread, I think we're primarily looking for 'burn-in' that might be caused by a faulty 'pixel-clean' capability, for example...

But differences in susceptability to IR is another interesting tidbit that may end up being relevant...
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To say your poll is skewed is an understatement.

A simple "have you ever owned an OLED which suffered from Burn IN" being yes of no or true or false would be far more accurate! What you have set up is a mess. You have owned nine Oled's? No proof without photos baby, just like the burn in thread!
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I would set it up like this:

Who has experienced permanent, non-correctable burn-in on their OLED TVs?

0 - I have not experienced it
1 - I have experienced it on one set
2 - I have experienced it on two sets
3 - I have experienced it on three sets
4 - I have experienced it on four or more sets.

This poll should be created for banding and vignetting as well, since that is a far more prevalent issue requiring multiple panel swaps, returns and exchanges, and causes significant cost to LG and if illuminated, could help them realize their QC and panel manufacturing process needs improvement.
Much better setup and far less confusing. You shouldn't need a post to explain how to vote in a poll. The poll should be self explanatory in and of itself.
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3 oleds with burn-in now out if a total of 38, so defectivity rate has increased to about 9%...

Would be interesting to hear more from the member who has owned 2 OLEDs, one of which exhibited permanent burn-in. Any color as to what cause the burn-in (gaming, CNN logos, etc...) and/or whether the two OLEDs have been used in a similar fashion or adjustments were made between TVs would be helpful.
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3 oleds with burn-in now out if a total of 38, so defectivity rate has increased to about 9%...

Would be interesting to hear more from the member who has owned 2 OLEDs, one of which exhibited permanent burn-in. Any color as to what cause the burn-in (gaming, CNN logos, etc...) and/or whether the two OLEDs have been used in a similar fashion or adjustments were made between TVs would be helpful.
Dude like we said this poll has no value or reliability. There's just too many element that could produce bias to it.

There's no way the rate is 9%, more likely 1%.
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Dude like we said this poll has no value or reliability. There's just too many element that could produce bias to it.

There's no way the rate is 9%, more likely 1%.
Your free mto structure another poll any time you woukd like.

In the meantime, this poll has now reported 4 OLEDs with burn-in out of a total of 43 OLEDs owned, or 9.3%...

For those who prefer to track % owners impacted, we have 4 owners who have experiences burn-in out of 30 who have voted, or 13.3%.

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Now 4 out of 43 or 8.7%...
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Another problem:

without the circumstances is hard to actually have a rate. How many were demo sets? How did the BI appear?
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Another problem:

without the circumstances is hard to actually have a rate. How many were demo sets? How did the BI appear?
There's an entire thread where owners are describing their experience with burn-in (and theycare if course welcome to reprat tat experience here).

For this poll, I explicitly requested only owners of nrw sets vote - no floor models, no refurbs, no used WOLEDs.

So far, we have atotal of 4 OLEDs exhibiting burn-in out of a total of 47 WOLEDs total, so 8.5%.

Knowing how the burn-in was caused, over what length of time, and how many hours of use total the TV had when it became evident is the sort of detail I woukd find interesting.

But the primary purpose of this poll was just to quickly use the AVS WOLED owner-base to quickly get a sense of whether this entire burn-in discussion is limited to a few isolated cases or is more widespread than that.

There are about 4 owners with burn-in that have voted and about 5 that have posted pictures in the other thread (but at last one was a floor model), so I'm going to assume those are the same 4 burnt-in WOLEDs (though confirmation would be great).

I know there is a great deal more than 50 WOLED owners here on AVS, so if we can get more to vote, we can hopefully find out if any others have seen any signs of burn-in.

4-out-of-50 is on the cusp of being a real concern; 4-out-of-200 far less so...
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Now 4-out-of-49 or 8.2%
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