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HDTVtest TV 2017 Shootout Results: OLED Sweeps, Panasonic EZ1002 Conquers

I just posted a piece on the AVS Forum homepage about the shootout results: HDTVtest TV Shootout: Panasonic EZ1002 OLED Takes Top Prize

The results of the HDTVtest shootout are in and here are the winners by category:

Best TV of 2017: Panasonic EZ1002 OLED

Best Gaming TV: LG B7 OLED

Best HDR TV: LG B7 OLED

Best Living Room TV: Sony A1 OLED

Best Home Theater TV: Panasonic EZ1002 OLED

A special thank you to Tyler Pruitt aka @WiFi-Spy for posting the results in the display calibration forum this morning.

Link to the original HDTVtest 2017 TV shootout thread/discussion here on AVS Forum: 2017 HDTVtest TV Shootout | Sunday 13th August in London UK




Here's the official tweet of the results.

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shocking, I've seen the Panasonic (the EZ950 but they are the same except the filter) next to the other OLEDs so it's not surprising.

Panasonic is teasing a new picture company announcement for IFA on August 31, they are basically have partnership with every big picture company except Dolby so I guess it will be the Dolby Vision support, we'll see.
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explains what each category means/scoring
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Not suprised, QLED when it comes down to the technology is just a souped up LCD. You just can't beat e missive technology with trans missive technology.
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https://youtu.be/Jys0CTXtPX0 explains what each category means/scoring
Added to the article, thanks for the link.

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I just posted a piece on the AVS Forum homepage about the shootout results: HDTVtest TV Shootout: Panasonic EZ1002 OLED Takes Top Prize

The results of the HDTVtest shootout are in and here are the winners by category:

Best TV of 2017: Panasonic EZ1002 OLED

Best Gaming TV: LG B7 OLED

Best HDR TV: LG B7 OLED

Best Living Room TV: Sony A1 OLED

Best Home Theater TV: Panasonic EZ1002 OLED

A special thank you to Tyler Pruitt aka @WiFi-Spy for posting the results in the display calibration forum this morning.
Vincent said winners and runners-up would be announced for each messurement category as well as each of the awards given - are thes rankings/results posted anywhere?
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Vincent said winners and runners-up would be announced for each messurement category as well as each of the awards given - are thes rankings/results posted anywhere?
As of this moment, there is no official post or press release that I know of elaborating on these results, but once such a thing exists I will add any new info. However, there is a tweet confirming what I did post.


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Like it didn't win because they use the 65" not the 75".

This proves again that isn't only about how bright a displays can be.Once again Oled wins do to its native contrast ratio (DR) ,because each pixel provides its own illumination.


They better hurry with emissive Qled and Cristal Led tech before Oled keeps getting better and better.
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The only category I really cared about was the Best Living Room TV and it wasn't surprising to me to see the A1E win that. I tested(non technically) that with DirectTV in more than one store in multiple lighting conditions and it a stunning picture. Its very tempting to put my fears of BurnIn aside, give up the 11" bigger picture I'd prefer, and settle on this baby. I still want the price to come down much further. I wish we could see the details of the ratings and how they were marked across all of the TVs measured. More and more I think the solution is to wait until more is introduced next year. There will always be better, but I think a lot of these TVs that are good enough that would satisfy me need to still drop in price for 77"+ sizes.
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Like it didn't win because they use the 65" not the 75".

This proves again that isn't only about how bright a displays can be.
So the ZD9/brighter highlights conspiracy can be put to bed since on both continents an OLED (LG none the less) won the HDR category.

And the Sony got one first place finish among two shootouts whereas the LG got five among both. Can we put that conspiracy to bed too, now?

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Year after year, OLED wins the shootouts. The days of non believing are over.
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I just posted a piece on the AVS Forum homepage about the shootout results: HDTVtest TV Shootout: Panasonic EZ1002 OLED Takes Top Prize

The results of the HDTVtest shootout are in and here are the winners by category:

Best TV of 2017: Panasonic EZ1002 OLED

Best Gaming TV: LG B7 OLED

Best HDR TV: LG B7 OLED

Best Living Room TV: Sony A1 OLED

Best Home Theater TV: Panasonic EZ1002 OLED

A special thank you to Tyler Pruitt aka @WiFi-Spy for posting the results in the display calibration forum this morning.

Best TV of 2017: Panasonic EZ1002 OLED - Class leading CMS controls

Best Gaming TV: LG B7 OLED - Best input lag

Best HDR TV: LG B7 OLED - Most HDR format support as of today (Dolby Vision etc)

Best Living Room TV: Sony A1 OLED - Best eye-candy TV for everyday viewing

Best Home Theater TV: Panasonic EZ1002 OLED - THX endorsed

-All makes sense to me based on public judging.. granted many biases walked in with their minds already set.. but QLED is confirm to suck.

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Year after year, OLED wins the shootouts. The days of non believing are over.
Shh. Don't let the LCD crowd read this.

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So the ZD9/brighter highlights conspiracy can be put to bed since on both continents an OLED (LG none the less) won the HDR category.

And the Sony got one first place finish among two shootouts whereas the LG got five among both. Can we put that conspiracy to bed too, now?

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AVS, please give the LG fans a "VIP" area so they can stop trolling to feel special.

Jeez.

I'll donate a copy of Arrival 4K UHD to this guy should he ever actually buy a 2017 unit.

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AVS, please give the LG fans a "VIP" area so they can stop trolling to feel special.

Jeez.
Trolling? I was recapping.

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Mark,
You may want to close, not delete, this thread and direct everyone over to original shoot out thread. Maybe a sticky. It contains a lot of background into their testing.

Link to the original shoot out page:
2017 HDTVtest TV Shootout | Sunday 13th August in London UK
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You may want to close, not delete, this thread and direct everyone over to original shoot out thread. It contains a lot of background into their testing.

Link to the original shoot out page:
2017 HDTVtest TV Shootout | Sunday 13th August in London UK
The primary purpose of this thread is to serve as a comments section for the homepage post. But thank you for including that link, I'll add it to the OP here. I'm not going to actually close it, because then it would no longer properly function as a comment link. Also, I think this thread is appropriate for the OLED section, that thread can live on over there in the calibration section, I don't see much conflict per se.

So, for anyone else reading this, follow that link if you want to get into the deep-dive discussion.
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Rumors of Panasonic selling the EZ1002 in the US ware interesting. As much as I like my new LG C7 I have always had Penny plasmas and their PQ and in later years, calibration friendliness would cause me to relegate the LG to workout room and look at getting the Penny for main viewing.
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Looks like the reason panasonic did not win in hdr category despite being the best overall tv is because it got docked points for lacking dolby vision. with static hdr (hdr10), i think panasonic does a little better than lg on the tone mapping front (imo). Overall no surprise seeing the panasonic win, i have seen these oleds in person, panasonic has best color accuracy and motion. No night and day differences between any of the oleds though.
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It may surprise some since I'm apparently an LG fan boy... But I'd kill to have Panasonic renter the US.

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My OLEDs are in my bedroom and the 77" is in the den. So I don't have a 'living room TV'.

Hey, but I do watch HDR.
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Best TV of 2017: Panasonic EZ1002 OLED - Class leading CMS controls

Best Gaming TV: LG B7 OLED - Best input lag

Best HDR TV: LG B7 OLED - Most HDR format support as of today (Dolby Vision etc)

Best Living Room TV: Sony A1 OLED - Best eye-candy TV for everyday viewing

Best Home Theater TV: Panasonic EZ1002 OLED - THX endorsed

-All makes sense to me based on public judging.. granted many biases walked in with their minds already set.. but QLED is confirm to suck.
And we're off to the races!!! If you want 'eye candy', no LG OLED can do that. OY!!!

As I said, I won't be spending too much time in yet another endless rehash of a shootout thread. In my other post on the other thread, I think I predicted Al's comments above.
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As of this moment, there is no official post or press release that I know of elaborating on these results, but once such a thing exists I will add any new info. However, there is a tweet confirming what I did post.
All we will probably see is a article similar to what we saw last year' which was written almost a month after the event took place.
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/shoot...1608054331.htm


btw there was also a mini Shootout in the UK a few days ago.
https://www.avforums.com/article/ole...shootout.13787
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I just posted a piece on the AVS Forum homepage about the shootout results: HDTVtest TV Shootout: Panasonic EZ1002 OLED Takes Top Prize

The results of the HDTVtest shootout are in and here are the winners by category:

Best TV of 2017: Panasonic EZ1002 OLED

Best Gaming TV: LG B7 OLED

Best HDR TV: LG B7 OLED

Best Living Room TV: Sony A1 OLED

Best Home Theater TV: Panasonic EZ1002 OLED

A special thank you to Tyler Pruitt aka @WiFi-Spy for posting the results in the display calibration forum this morning.

Best TV of 2017: Panasonic EZ1002 OLED - Class leading CMS controls

Best Gaming TV: LG B7 OLED - Best input lag

Best HDR TV: LG B7 OLED - Most HDR format support as of today (Dolby Vision etc)

Best Living Room TV: Sony A1 OLED - Best eye-candy TV for everyday viewing

Best Home Theater TV: Panasonic EZ1002 OLED - THX endorsed

-All makes sense to me based on public judging.. granted many biases walked in with their minds already set.. but QLED is confirm to suck.
According to the video the living room category is a mixture of motion processing, handling of lower quality sources (everything besides 4K blu ray), bright room viewing, etc. Nothing about aesthetics. Basically the most versatile TV for everyday use.

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According to the video the living room category is a mixture of motion processing, handling of lower quality sources (everything besides 4K blu ray), bright room viewing, etc. Nothing about aesthetics. Basically the most versatile TV for everyday use.


Also anti-reflectivity.

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I was at the event. Let met get a few things out of the way which are important. Vincent, Tyler and the Crampton and Moore crew did a phenomenal job at the event. It was an absolute pleasure to be there so thank you all for putting this on and spoiling us!

Outside of Tyler, I was the only American there and as such, I have no British reserve in me. I was happy to ask questions and point things out when something seemed odd. Any oddities were quickly addressed and the having a large array of content made this extremely valuable.

For a TV nerd, this was the perfect opportunity to see the top sets in their settings calibrated by experts.

The sets were (in order of display):
- LG B7 OLED
- PANASONIC EZ1002 OLED
- SONY A1 OLED
- Reference: Sony OLED professional monitor
- SAMSUNG Q9 LCD
- SONY ZD9 LCD

Here are my findings in relation to the main categories:

Best Gaming TV: LG B7 OLED
LG = Low input lag and great punch in HDR. The LG and Sony Z9D were immediate standouts when the feeds came up (winner)
Panasonic = Higher input lag and not as much punch in HDR as the LG
Sony A1E = Input lag dependent on source feed. HDR not as good as LG
Samsung = Game mode had sharpening applied (could be calibrated out?) and HDR implementation heavily favors detail over brightness which reduces it's impact
Sony Z9D = Input lag dependent on source feed. Great HDR (2nd choice)

Best HDR TV: LG B7 OLED
LG = Great in low light HDR. Bright picture HDR is the best among OLED's. Great balance in tone mapping with Dynamic Contrast set to low (winner)
Panasonic = Great in low light HDR, bright picture HDR lacking punch. Tone mapping is a good balance but the lack of HDR punch is clear compared to the LG.
Sony A1E = Good in low light HDR, bright picture HDR lacking punch. Tone mapping is a choice a between Cinema Home and Cinema Pro settings. Both are not great options. Either you get a dim pic or blown out details.
Samsung = Very poor low light HDR performance put this set well behind the others.
Sony Z9D = Ok in low light HDR, bright picture HDR is great. Tone mapping doesn't come into play as much due to the high peak light output the set is capable of. (2nd choice)

Best Living Room TV: LG B7 OLED
LG = With the lights on and still looking for a punch picture with various sources, the LG will do a great job (winner)
Panasonic = Top PQ but the ABL is noticeable compared to the LG (2nd choice)
Sony = PQ on part with LG but ABL performance is the worst out of all the OLED's present
Samsung = Even in daytime viewing the poor black level/dark scene performance is inexcusable
Sony Z9D = Being a FALD set has it's limitations even in a daytime viewing setting. The motion artifacts on the Z9D were quite pronounced which takes it out of the running


Best Home Theater TV: Panasonic EZ1002 OLED

LG = Great all around but it's main benefit a higher peak output is neutralized in a critical viewing environment
Panasonic = The better colors and detail compared to any of other sets made this set standout (Winner)
Sony A1E = PQ similar to LG but smooth gradation is great feature making this a runner up (2nd choice)
Samsung = Absolutely not. There are no positives here.
Sony Z9D = As great as the Sony is (miles better than the Samsung) it's just plainly outmatched by any of the OLED's in a critical viewing environment

Summary: Price being equal, my choice would be the 65inch LG B7. It's top 2 in most categories and when it comes to the future needs of HDR, it pulls away comfortably from the other OLED's. It's ABL not kicking in as often makes it a better choice for SDR PQ consistency also. I was initially going to wait until next year but after having been to this event, I'm placing an order for a 65inch B7 to be calibrated by Vincent. If you have specific use cases or preferences, I'm sure most of the other sets can fit your bill. However, my viewing will be a mix of everything and for that the LG was consistently towards the top.

DV vs HDR10
Vincent made the ultimate sacrifice. He bought 2 copies of the new Power Rangers movie so we can have a comparison! The LG was showing the DV feed and the rest showing the HDR10. In this release, there was an easily noticeable different between DV and HDR10. The DV version had more depth to the picture. However, there was a bit of over saturation which was acknowledged but that didn't impact the 3D depth of the scene delivered by DV.

Random notes:

- All sets were calibrated to 200nits. This was to balance out the light pollution from multiple sets being on at the same time for comparison
- BFI = Flicker from BFI on the Sony and Panasonic was unbearable for me. The LCD's did a good job but the reduction in light output is severe
- Choppy motion on the Panasonic OLED = There was some pull down issues with motion that were fixed by turning on game mode so this is something a firmware update should be able to fix
- Red push on the QLED = I pointed this out before lunch and the team went to work on it. It was improved but still present throughout
- Smooth gradation on the Sony = Vincent showed us instance where the algorithm got confused and decided to remove the detail on tiles of a storefront. However that's something you have to look for. It's a good feature that should be enabled and kept on low

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The results make sense to me.

-The Panasonic EZ1002 OLED is considered the best overall tv and best home theater tv because in a light controlled room with pristine sources it has great contrast and produces the most accurate picture out of all the OLED's.

-The LG OLED produces the least amount of input lag for gaming so they took the gaming category. Although there is no agreed upon standard LG preserves more detail in 1000 nit and 4000 nit movie material with their tone mapping method. I can see why the argument can be made they have the best hdr.

-The Sony is the best general purpose/living room television because it produces the best picture out of all the OLED's with compressed/non pristine sources. It's video processing/upscaling, how it handles gradients, how it handles different controlled/non controlled lighting environments, etc helped it win this category.

No one OLED does everything the best. You have to choose which compromises you can live with and what works best for your situation.

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Summary: Price being equal, my choice would be the 65inch LG B7. It's top 2 in most categories and when it comes to the future needs of HDR, it pulls away comfortably from the other OLED's. It's ABL not kicking in as often makes it a better choice for SDR PQ consistency also. I was initially going to wait until next year but after having been to this event, I'm placing an order for a 65inch B7 to be calibrated by Vincent. If you have specific use cases or preferences, I'm sure most of the other sets can fit your bill. However, my viewing will be a mix of everything and for that the LG was consistently towards the top.
Heretic! Burn him for daring to choose the inferior Korean product. At least you can rest easy knowing that not having Panasonic in the US is not the end of the world for a videophile.
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I was at the event. Let met get a few things out of the way which are important. Vincent, Tyler and the Crampton and Moore crew did a phenomenal job at the event. It was an absolute pleasure to be there so thank you all for putting this on and spoiling us!

Outside of Tyler, I was the only American there and as such, I have no British reserve in me. I was happy to ask questions and point things out when something seemed odd. Any oddities were quickly addressed and the having a large array of content made this extremely valuable.

For a TV nerd, this was the perfect opportunity to see the top sets in their settings calibrated by experts.

The sets were (in order of display):
- LG B7 OLED
- PANASONIC EZ1002 OLED
- SONY A1 OLED
- Reference: Sony OLED professional monitor
- SAMSUNG Q9 LCD
- SONY ZD9 LCD

Here are my findings in relation to the main categories:

Best Gaming TV: LG B7 OLED
LG = Low input lag and great punch in HDR. The LG and Sony Z9D were immediate standouts when the feeds came up (winner)
Panasonic = Higher input lag and not as much punch in HDR as the LG
Sony A1E = Input lag dependent on source feed. HDR not as good as LG
Samsung = Game mode had sharpening applied (could be calibrated out?) and HDR implementation heavily favors detail over brightness which reduces it's impact
Sony Z9D = Input lag dependent on source feed. Great HDR (2nd choice)

Best HDR TV: LG B7 OLED
LG = Great in low light HDR. Bright picture HDR is the best among OLED's. Great balance in tone mapping with Dynamic Contrast set to low (winner)
Panasonic = Great in low light HDR, bright picture HDR lacking punch. Tone mapping is a good balance but the lack of HDR punch is clear compared to the LG.
Sony A1E = Good in low light HDR, bright picture HDR lacking punch. Tone mapping is a choice a between Cinema Home and Cinema Pro settings. Both are not great options. Either you get a dim pic or blown out details.
Samsung = Very poor low light HDR performance put this set well behind the others.
Sony Z9D = Ok in low light HDR, bright picture HDR is great. Tone mapping doesn't come into play as much due to the high peak light output the set is capable of. (2nd choice)

Best Living Room TV: LG B7 OLED
LG = With the lights on and still looking for a punch picture with various sources, the LG will do a great job (winner)
Panasonic = Top PQ but the ABL is noticeable compared to the LG (2nd choice)
Sony = PQ on part with LG but ABL performance is the worst out of all the OLED's present
Samsung = Even in daytime viewing the poor black level/dark scene performance is inexcusable
Sony Z9D = Being a FALD set has it's limitations even in a daytime viewing setting. The motion artifacts on the Z9D were quite pronounced which takes it out of the running


Best Home Theater TV: Panasonic EZ1002 OLED

LG = Great all around but it's main benefit a higher peak output is neutralized in a critical viewing environment
Panasonic = The better colors and detail compared to any of other sets made this set standout (Winner)
Sony A1E = PQ similar to LG but smooth gradation is great feature making this a runner up (2nd choice)
Samsung = Absolutely not. There are no positives here.
Sony Z9D = As great as the Sony is (miles better than the Samsung) it's just plainly outmatched by any of the OLED's in a critical viewing environment

Summary: Price being equal, my choice would be the 65inch LG B7. It's top 2 in most categories and when it comes to the future needs of HDR, it pulls away comfortably from the other OLED's. It's ABL not kicking in as often makes it a better choice for SDR PQ consistency also. I was initially going to wait until next year but after having been to this event, I'm placing an order for a 65inch B7 to be calibrated by Vincent. If you have specific use cases or preferences, I'm sure most of the other sets can fit your bill. However, my viewing will be a mix of everything and for that the LG was consistently towards the top.

DV vs HDR10
Vincent made the ultimate sacrifice. He bought 2 copies of the new Power Rangers movie so we can have a comparison! The LG was showing the DV feed and the rest showing the HDR10. In this release, there was an easily noticeable different between DV and HDR10. The DV version had more depth to the picture. However, there was a bit of over saturation which was acknowledged but that didn't impact the 3D depth of the scene delivered by DV.

Random notes:

- All sets were calibrated to 200nits. This was to balance out the light pollution from multiple sets being on at the same time for comparison
- BFI = Flicker from BFI on the Sony and Panasonic was unbearable for me. The LCD's did a good job but the reduction in light output is severe
- Choppy motion on the Panasonic OLED = There was some pull down issues with motion that were fixed by turning on game mode so this is something a firmware update should be able to fix
- Red push on the QLED = I pointed this out before lunch and the team went to work on it. It was improved but still present throughout
- Smooth gradation on the Sony = Vincent showed us instance where the algorithm got confused and decided to remove the detail on tiles of a storefront. However that's something you have to look for. It's a good feature that should be enabled and kept on low
Thanks for this very comprehensive and constructive assessment/review.

Everything you stated makes perfect sense to me but one area I would appreciate additional detail is in the area of near-black performance in general and shadow detail in particular (with pristinne sources / home theater). Sounds as though the Panasonic was the winner in this area, so let's give it a '10'.

With that reference, can you provide any color and a relative scoring as to how the B7 and the A1E performed?
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