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Spy Pics: Is This an Apple OLED TV?

Has the mythical Apple OLED TV finally been spotted? Blurry photos hint that the company may be working on a flat-panel display. Click here to read more... Rumor: Apple OLED TV Spied?

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Maybe it's the OLED/QD hybrid they filed for a patent on?

https://hdguru.com/apple-files-paten...gy/#more-20961
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I Like apple product but would never buy a tv from them because A) there stuff is way over priced B) They are not a tv manufacturer C) If they can't get apple tv right why would think that they could a TV itself right. I Like my appleTv gen 4 but have noticed that the sound on my home theater system sounds highly compressed, apple says nothing is wrong. Even if there is a problem and apple knows it they will not admit it. With that in mind imagine if there was issues with the Tv for example uniformity, banding etc. Apple would not acknowledge it, I have way to much money invested in my home theater to deal with apples ego. A computer, iPhone, routers are a different story at least to me.
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Maybe it's the OLED/QD hybrid they filed for a patent on?

https://hdguru.com/apple-files-paten...gy/#more-20961
Lol that they called that "Quantum Dot LED and OLED Integration for High Efficiency Displays." I guess Apple went with QDLEDAOLEDIFHED when they discovered QLED was taken by arch-enemy phone maker Samsung.

Nobody has any idea what they're looking at there. Some very blurry photos on a Chinese micro-blog is not a lot to work with.
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"So here’s the magic question: If Apple releases a TV, and it turns out to be the best TV money can buy, and it is priced accordingly, would you buy it?"

i have bought apple products before, and will again if they fit my checklist.

but, the 'priced accordingly' part of this statement is where i'm sure apple will lose my business. time and time again apple's limited options price it out of competition for me. the clearest example i would expect to see in a tv, would be the inclusion of 'apple tv' at a premium. i don't operate in the apple biosphere and since apple refuses to play with others, having a apple tv is about as useful as a bluray player in the 80's. it could be the best thing in the world, but if there's nothing to use it for, who cares? so, while i'm sure it could be a hit for many, i personally would expect the apple product to include many extras i don't want, and charge handsomely for them.

so if apple releases a DISPLAY without speakers, without a tuner, without fancy smart features, that happens to be the best display for the money, it'll definitely be on my shopping radar. if they release a 'tv' with an LG oled panel, with similar picture quality, but add in 17 'revolutionary' features that i'll never use and charge double the price LG is, then it's not going to be of any serious interest to me.

to be honest, while i like competition, i'd really like to see somebody else PRODUCE the oled panels. this is starting to feel like the 'competition' you get between gas stations...

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Have been an Apple fan for many years, but there prices are way out of line in today's market.
If priced accordingly I would have to take a long serious look at it.
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"So here’s the magic question: If Apple releases a TV, and it turns out to be the best TV money can buy, and it is priced accordingly, would you buy it?"

i have bought apple products before, and will again if they fit my checklist.

but, the 'priced accordingly' part of this statement is where i'm sure apple will lose my business. time and time again apple's limited options price it out of competition for me. the clearest example i would expect to see in a tv, would be the inclusion of 'apple tv' at a premium. i don't operate in the apple biosphere and since apple refuses to play with others, having a apple tv is about as useful as a bluray player in the 80's. it could be the best thing in the world, but if there's nothing to use it for, who cares? so, while i'm sure it could be a hit for many, i personally would expect the apple product to include many extras i don't want, and charge handsomely for them.

so if apple releases a DISPLAY without speakers, without a tuner, without fancy smart features, that happens to be the best display for the money, it'll definitely be on my shopping radar. if they release a 'tv' with an LG oled panel, with similar picture quality, but add in 17 'revolutionary' features that i'll never use and charge double the price LG is, then it's not going to be of any serious interest to me.

to be honest, while i like competition, i'd really like to see somebody else PRODUCE the oled panels. this is starting to feel like the 'competition' you get between gas stations...
I think many folks here would LOVE a "dumb" OLED (i.e. monitor only) from Apple that had the best calibration controls and was available in the same sizes as the TVs others offer. But I'd think Apple would aim to conquer the living room with a "ultra-luxury" TV, not merely go for a slice of the videophiles willing to pay beaucoup bucks for perfection. And that probably means stuffing it full of stuff, instead of going minimal.

But, lol. Who knows! I wonder what iteration of "Apple is going to make a TV" this is?

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"So here’s the magic question: If Apple releases a TV, and it turns out to be the best TV money can buy, and it is priced accordingly, would you buy it?"
NOPE.

Alright! Another Apple product that will be an over-priced, under-performer, and not get updated as often as it should!

Don't get me wrong - I an an Apple products user, and have been since the days of the Apple II, as well as a share holder. I give them kudos for styling, always seems to have an edge over competition, and every once in a while, they'll innovate something. But for the most part, their tech. is behind the times compared to the competition and it seems to take them longer to adopt, and while I understand the use of often proprietary hardware, it's one of the reasons I've strayed from being an Apple purist - lack of flexibility.
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I think many folks here would LOVE a "dumb" OLED (i.e. monitor only) from Apple that had the best calibration controls and was available in the same sizes as the TVs others offer. But I'd think Apple would aim to conquer the living room with a "ultra-luxury" TV, not merely go for a slice of the videophiles willing to pay beaucoup bucks for perfection. And that probably means stuffing it full of stuff, instead of going minimal.

But, lol. Who knows! I wonder what iteration of "Apple is going to make a TV" this is?
oh i agree. the chances of a 'regular' a/v company focusing on PQ alone these days is pretty slim... the market demands quantity over quality unfortunately

that was my attempt at explaining why i [probably] won't buy apple products without starting a fanboy argument(fanboy referring to BOTH sides). i want to say apple products don't provide a good value, but somebody will state that an equally equipped product costs the same amount. when i say they aren't a good value for me, the 'for me' always seems to get overlooked

like, why is it that my dad, who sends emails, browses the internet, and only recently dove into 'youtube' would need to spend $1100 bux on a laptop? oh, because he likes apple, and apple doesn't make a 'entry level' product that's suitable for him. so is his macbook air a bad value? not really, it's actually a couple bux cheaper than the comparable ultrabook i bought for myself, but is it a bad value for him? absolutely. the sad thing is he cracked the screen, and it's more expensive to replace the screen than it would be to buy a new one with similar specs(his is a few years old now)

it's like if Ferarri would just make a slow, cheap, reliable, economical car and sell if for under 30grand brand new, then maybe i'd buy a ferarri. the fact that they don't, doesn't make them better or worse. that's how i feel about apple. they make a specific product for specific markets. unfortunately, there are a lot more people 'overbuying' apple products and acting superior because they did. although, maybe that's exactly the same way ferarri's work in more affluent parts of the world

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Having just bought a TV no I wouldn't replace it one from Apple. I just can't imagine it being significantly better than what I already own.

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There are actually four photo's, a chinese blogger posted it, with the fourth photo being a different model that is the only one having a clearly vissible Apple logo on it. Not shure why he had to bring in the other screen which looks like a Apple screen being tested in a laboratory. Suspect afaik. Also it is high tech place, are blurry photo's the only thing they can do?
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No way! This would be way overpriced.

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Looks like a Samsung TV mounted on a stand with an apple logo on it.
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Half the price of the tv will be the Apple logo. People will still rush out to buy it, and wait months to get it after they order it.

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The only thing missing here is a video soundbite from Apple analyst Gene Munster telling the TV's release date. Nothing to see here, move on
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Depends. Would it work with a signal coming from my TiVo cable box and thru my Denon receiver or would it only work with a signal coming from an AppleTV through an Apple branded receiver and with content purchased from Apple for instance? I love my Apple products but the closed door ecosystem has always been an issue, aside from price.
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I don't think Apple will sell tv's. They aren't going to come out with an updated product every year to compete with LG, Samsung, Sony, etc. They finally got around to refreshing their iMac lineup this year after no real updates for years. They won't be able to compete if they only refresh their lineup every 2 to 4 years. Plus can Apple compete with the other manufacturers when they have huge price drops on their lineups as the year progresses? Apple rarely reduces their prices, even after 2 years, and when they do, it not by much.

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The real question is, will people pay a premium for a TV that has a white bezel?


Sadly, there will be people that answer with a yes.
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The real question is, will people pay a premium for a TV that has a white bezel?


Sadly, there will be people that answer with a yes.
Perhaps it will come in 3 colors. White, jet black and rose gold.
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Love Apple's software, but their hardware is always overpriced and a TV will probably be as well. That being said, I think they make some great hardware (minus the Touch Bar, Vacuum Cleaner Mac Pro, slim iMac etc etc etc).

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By choice, I don't own anything made by Apple. I do use Prores on some projects (I'm a director), but that's it.

So, no: I'd never, ever ever buy a tv or monitor from them. Even if it was rated "best ever". I'll never willingly give them my money.
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Has the mythical Apple OLED TV finally been spotted? Blurry photos hint that the company may be working on a flat-panel display. Click here to read more... Rumor: Apple OLED TV Spied?
Look like a LG C series where some photo shopped a Apple logo on it. It looks even more suspicious when one looks at images in detail.

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This was posted yesterday in the Mac Rumors forums and I took it into photoshop and found it was faked (there was a box over the apple logo). It looks like the poster actually deleted the entire original thread and then took the photos and blurred them a ton MORE and reposted them to try and hide the fact it was faked. The ones posted yesterday were much more clear.
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This was posted yesterday in the Mac Rumors forums and I took it into photoshop and found it was faked (there was a box over the apple logo). It looks like the poster actually deleted the entire original thread and then took the photos and blurred them a ton MORE and reposted them to try and hide the fact it was faked. The ones posted yesterday were much more clear.

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Well, I wrote the piece with heavy skepticism, but I took a look and brock might just be confusing compression artifacts with sloppy retouching. It's not clear, as if any of this was clear lol.

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I own and enjoy using plenty of Apple products, but I highly doubt I'd ever buy an Apple television. First off, the price would probably be even higher than Samsung's stupidly-priced QLED TVs. Second, to use the built-in software I'd have to rely on ARC/optical for getting audio to my AVR, when I'd prefer all my inputs (other than the built-in TV tuner obviously) be routed directly to the AVR. I prefer using my smart TV as a dumb TV and just using my streaming device of my choice, an Apple TV.

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As stated in the first post of the MacRumors thread:

"It's virtually impossible to say anything definitive about the contents of the photos, and Apple is known to regularly test devices most of which never see the light of day as consumer products. "

The other part of me thinks - Damn, they are definitely testing the bright room performance of that thing!

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Have been an Apple fan for many years, but there prices are way out of line in today's market.
If priced accordingly I would have to take a long serious look at it.
Sony is the Apple of Tvs so we wouldn't really need Apple to make a tv for it to be expensive.
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