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Model REVEL 30/30WD TV
Available Bezel Colors Silver
LCD Type 30" color, TFT active matrix WXGA LCD

Optimum Resolution 1280x768
Brightness 500 cd/m2 (typ)
Contrast Ratio 500:1 (typ)
Viewing Angle 170° horizontal, 170° vertical
Response Time (typ) 16ms (typ)
Panel Surface Anti-glare

INPUT/OUTPUT PC 15 pin D-Sub computer input, 24pin DVI input
Video S-video input, AV input, Composite video input (RCA), Component (Y, Cb/Pb, Cr/Pr) x2
TV Cable Antenna TV in
Audio Stereo audio input, speakers x 2 stereo output, stereo earphone output

AUDIO (Speakers) 5W stereo
CONNECTOR Analog 15-pin D-sub
Digital 24-pin DVI
Power Internal power supply
Audio
Security
POWER Power input AC-100-240V, 50/60 Hz
Power output
Consumption 160W
CONTROLS OSD buttons OSD, Adjust Down, Adjust Up, Power
OSD functions Brightness, contrast, display, adjust, H/V position adjust, pitch, phase, sharpness, autotune, recall, return, color temp., language, OSD adjust, audio control, input select, reset, exit; video mode: contrast, brightness, color sharpness, hue, input, type (4:3, 5:4), audio control (mute), input select
TILT ANGLE
STORAGE CONDITIONS Temperature -20º to 60ºC
Humidity 0%–90%
OPERATING CONDITIONS Temperature 32ºF–104ºF (0ºC–40ºC)
Humidity 0%–90% (non-condensing)
DIMENSIONS (WxHxD) Physical 32.1" x 20.9" x 6.9"
DIMENSIONS (WxHxD) Packaging 36" x 25.6" x 10.1"
WEIGHT Net 36.4 lbs (15 kg)
Gross
Wall Mount Optional
WARRANTY One-year limited warranty on parts, labor and backlight


http://www.batesias.com/vmt2.html
VMT30-1-A Return Product
Screen Size 30" TV
Display Area 338mm (H) x 270.5mm (V)
Resolution SVGA (1280x768)
Pixel Pitch (mm) .051x.051
Brightness 500 cd/m2
Contrast Ratio 500:1
Response Time 15 MS
Viewing Angle (H:V) 170 (H) x 170(V)
Video Compatibility Full NTSC (M 4.43), PAL, SECAM
Available Colors Silver
Input Connector 15 Pin D-Sub
S-Video x 2
DVD Component Input
TV Tuner
D-Sub
PC Audio
Video Features Super High Contrast Ratio
Gamma Pro
3D Edge Filtering
Dynamic Cinema Scanning
3D Y/C Comb Filtering
Audio Features Built-in Speakers

Power Consumption 48W (Typical)
Dimensions (with Stand) 986(W)x609(H)x310mm (D)
Weight (with stand) 29 Kg, 65.25 lb
Warranty 1 year Limited Warranty

http://www.batesias.com/lm3010.html

LM3010 6-in-1 Flash Card Reader! Return Product
Model No LM3010
Wide Screen 16:9
Resolution WXGA 1280 x 768 Pixels
Display Colors 16.7 Millions Colors
Close Caption Yes
Pixel Pitch 0.51mm x 0.51mm
Active Viewing Area H-Position 170 degrees V-Position 170 degrees
Multi-digital Input terminal provides a host of video and audio choices
Brightness 500 cd/m2
Contrast Ratio 500:1
Video-on Video VOV can display multiple video sources at one time.
Intelligent screen image setting. Intelligent window control surface to simplify function settings.
Lamp Life 50,000 hours
Cable TV Tuner Yes
Number of Channels Full Channel
Pixel Number 2949,120 pixel RGB
On-Screen Display Yes
TV Function TV CCIR Standard System-NTSC-M
TV Auto-Install Channel
Stereo Audio
TV Remote Control
Auto Install in advance Auto Scanning
CATV full frequency channel, AIR2-69CH
HDTV-1080i
PIP
Component (YCbCr/YPbPr)
6-in-1 Card Reader SM, MS, SD, MMC, CF, MD
Audio Amplifier 5W X 2
TV System RF NTSC Only
Input Terminal AV Input Terminal Input AV, S-Video, 15Pin D-Sub, DVI-D Component (YCbCr/YPbPr)
Enclosure Remote Control, Battery, AC Power Cord, User's Manual
Wall-Mount Type VESA 100


http://www.sceptre.com/Products/LCD/...X30SV-Naga.htm

X30SV-Naga LCD/TV
(30" Viewable)
Slick design and powerful performance!

30" TFT LCD/TV
Built-in HDTV Capable TV
Flicker and Static Free
WXGA 1280 x 768 Resolution
4W + 4W Speaker





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LCD Panel
30" Active Screen Size
16:9 Aspect Ratio
500 Brightness cd/m2
500:1 Contrast
1,280 x 768 Resolution
15/10 Response Time (Tr/Tf ms)
170V/170H View Angle

Video
3D Comb filter
Progressive scan
3:2 Pull down
Noise reduction

Audio
MTS
AL Sound
Surround sound
Mute
Audio output

Function
Swap 4:3-16:9
TV/CATV channel
Channel return
PIP/POP
Picture setting
Sound setting
Clock Timer off
Sleep auto off
Timer on
Favorite channel
15 min auto off (min)
V-chip
Close caption
Sleep auto off

I/O Port
HDTV input (Y Pb Pr)
VGA input
Component input (Y Cb Cr)
S input
AV input
AV output
Audio output
SCART

Other
Wall mounted
Horizontal swivel
Vertical swivel
Separated tuner box
Dimensions (H*W*D*) 560*995*270
180 W Power consumption

Warranty
1-Year Limited, Extend Warranty Available.


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http://www.sceptre.com/Products/LCD/...-Naga%20II.htm

X30SV-Naga LCD/TV (30" Viewable)
Slick design and powerful performance!

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30" TFT LCD/TV
Built-in HDTV Capable TV
Flicker and Static Free
WXGA 1280 x 768 Resolution
4W + 4W Speaker





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LCD Panel
30" Active Screen Size
16:9 Aspect Ratio
500 Brightness cd/m2
500:1 Contrast
1,280 x 768 Resolution
15/10 Response Time (Tr/Tf ms)
170V/170H View Angle

Video
3D Comb filter
Progressive scan
3:2 Pull down
Noise reduction

Audio
MTS
AL Sound
Surround sound
Mute
Audio output

Function
Swap 4:3-16:9
TV/CATV channel
Channel return
PIP/POP
Picture setting
Sound setting
Clock Timer off
Sleep auto off
Timer on
Favorite channel
15 min auto off (min)
V-chip
Close caption
Sleep auto off

I/O Port
HDTV input (Y Pb Pr)
VGA input
Component input (Y Cb Cr)
S input
AV input
AV output
Audio output
SCART

Other
Wall mounted
Horizontal swivel
Vertical swivel
Separated tuner box
Dimensions (H*W*D*) 560*995*270
180 W Power consumption

Warranty
1-Year Limited, Extend Warranty Available.


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http://www.sceptre.com/Products/LCD/...SV-NagaIII.htm

X30SV-NagaIII LCD/TV
(30" Viewable)
Slick design and powerful performance!

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30" TFT LCD/TV
Built-in HDTV Capable TV
Flicker and Static Free
WXGA 1280 x 768 Resolution
8W + 8W Stereo Speaker

High-Res Image
view download





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LCD Panel

643.2(H) 385.92 (V) Active Screen Size
mm(diagonol29.54Screen Size) inches)
15:9 Wide Aspect Ratio
500 Brightness cd/m2
500:1 Contrast
1,280 x 768 Resolution
16ms Response Time (Tr/Tf ms)
170V/170H View Angle
0.1675 (H) X 0.5025 (V) mm Pixel Pitch

Video
3D Comb filter
Progressive scan
3:2 Pull down
Noise reduction

Audio
Built-in speaker 8w + 8w (stereo)
Subwoofer RCA Jack X 1
AL Sound
Surround sound
Mute
Audio output

Function
Swap 4:3-16:9
TV/CATV channel
Channel return
PIP/POP
Picture setting
Sound setting
Clock

Compatibility
Color System NTSC/PAL/SECAM
Video System
NTSC/PAL/SECAM
PC/Mac
VGA/SVGA/XGA/SXGA
SDTV/HDTV
1080i, 720p, 480p, 480i (NTSC)
Scanning format 1080i,576p, 576i (PAL)

Regulation
Safety / EMC
UL/ CUL, VCCI, CB, FCC Class B
Accessories
VGA Cable/ Power Cable I/O Port

Video in
RCA Jack X1
Scart
RGB + Audio/ Composite + audio
(Europe region)
S-Video in Y/C X 1
Component in YpbPr
(USA X 2 EuropeX2,JapanX1)
Tuner in NTSC/PAL/SECAM (OPTIONAL)
NTSC-J (D4)
Mini-D 14 pin (Japan region)
Audio in RC Jack (R+L) X4
PC Audio in X1
VGA in
D-sub 15 pin 3 row type
DVI in DVI 29 pin (support HDCP)
RS232 in
D-sub 9 pin (for software update only)
Audio out
RCA Jack (R+L) X 1
Subwoofer RCA Jack X 1
PIP
1 Mode (5 size)
Display Mode
4:3 Mode, Panoramic, Fill All, Wide
Other
Wall mounted
Horizontal swivel
Vertical swivel
Separated tuner box
Dimensions (H*W*D*) 560*995*270
180 W Power consumption
Power Source Input : 100-240V, 2.4A
50-60 Hz

Warranty
1-Year Limited, Extend Warranty Available.





So 3 different manufacturers. Different styling, similar price around $2500 street +/- $100

What do you all think of these 30 inch 16:9 PC/HDTV panels??

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Re: Sceptre, it seems that only the Naga III has DVI. The manufacturers don't clearly state that DVI supports HDCP for all these models.

Also, I question quality--I've seen motion blurring on Gateways (at Gateway) and LG (at Harvey's Electronics). I'd like to see these before I plunk down my money.

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Sceptre says the Naga III will be released 4th quarter 2004. It will have DVI with HDCP. The 16 ms response time should be ideal from minimising blurring.

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The Gateway and LG I saw were both rated 16 ms, but there must have been some supporting circuitry that just wasn't so good. The comparable Sony didn't have the problem.

The Sceptre seems to be .995 meters wide--this is significantly wider than its competitors.

The adveue looks pretty good, and Tiger Direct is selling it now. It would be interesting to see it side by side with the major brands.

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Should be interesting to see how these compare to major brands...I've never even heard of these guys. We'll see...

Samsung KN55S9C OLED TV
LG EL9500 OLED TV
Sony XEL-1 OLED TV (x2)
Samsung UN55C8000 3D LED TV
Samsung BD-C6900 and BD-F5900 3D Blu-ray players
Onkyo HT-S770 home theater system
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Sceptre says the Naga III will be released 4th quarter 2004. It will have DVI with HDCP. The 16 ms response time should be ideal from minimising blurring.
I was just browsing through costco.com as I do sometimes to see what they have and they have this TV available now ... but costco.com makes no mention of DVI for some reason ...

What shocked me is the price, which I can't post here, but it's definitely worth checking out costco.com ...

The thing is, Sceptre, while not a big well known brand name, is supposed to make excellent LCD monitors ... and their support is second-to-none according to all reports I've seen.
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Another interesting one, the Syntax Olevia 30". Nice contrast (750:1), DVI, component, etc. Same price range as the rest.

http://www.syntaxusa.com/catalog/pro...products_id=86

Olevia 30 Image


Specifications
- Panels
Active Screen Size (inches) 30" LCD
Aspect Ratio 16:9
Brightness 500cd / m2
Contrast 750:1
Resolution 1280(H) x 768(V)
Response Time 16 ms
View Angle 170 / 170

- Video
3D Comb Filter Yes
Progressive Scan Yes
2:2 / 3:2 Pull Down Yes
Noise Reduction Yes
Resoluton Scan VGA, SVGA, XGA, SXGA
De-interlacer Yes

- Audio
Surround Yes
Mute Yes
Audio Output 10w + 10w
Speaker 2 (Removable)
Auto Voice Correction Yes

- I/O Port
HDTV Input (YPbPr) 1(480p, 1080i, 720p)
Component Input (YCbCr) 1
Video Input Y
S-Video Input 1
Service Port 1 RS232
Audio Input 4 AV
1 Mini (DVI-D & VGA)
DVI-D Input 1
VGA Input 1
SCART for Europe
TV System NTSC/PAL (Double Tuner)
Earphone Output 1 Mini jack type
Sub-woofer Out 1 RCA type

- Other
Wall Mounted Optional
Horizontal Frequency 15KHz / 30 ~ 80KHz
Vertical Frequency 50 ~ 80KHz
support PC
1280 x 10204 @ 75Hz
Separated Tuner Box Removable
Power Consumption 180W (max)
Dimensions (H,W,D) 558 x 890 x 132 mm
(with stand)
Net Weight about 18Kgs
Certification CE, FCC (class-B)
Safety UL, cUL, CB, TUV, Energy Star

-Function
TV / Video Switch Yes
Channel Return Yes
MTS Yes
PIP / POP3 / Split Screen / Grid Yes
Aspect Ration Adjustment 16:9, 4:3, aspect ratio
Clock Yes
Alarm Yes
Sleep Timer Yes
Favorite Channel Setting Yes
V-chip Yes
Close Caption Yes
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Another interesting one, the Syntax Olevia 30". Nice contrast (750:1), DVI, component, etc. Same price range as the rest.
The original post said that all have a street price around $2,500 ... the Sceptre is much less than that at Costco.com, and like I said in my previous post, Sceptre is not exactly a no-name brand when it comes to LCD monitors ...
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Quote:
Originally posted by Beckles
The original post said that all have a street price around $2,500 ... the Sceptre is much less than that at Costco.com, and like I said in my previous post, Sceptre is not exactly a no-name brand when it comes to LCD monitors ...
The Syntax Olevia is within a hundred clams of the Sceptre that you mentioned.
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I think it will be truly interesting, for some, when 30" 1080 panels come out. I still cant figure out if the economics are some how wrong/not working out - to cut this size substrate with so many pixels (potentially dead pixels)? We have 24" WUXGA monitors today and we have 45/46" WUXGA/1080 monitors coming this summer- where is the 30"? Rumor still has it that Apple will come out with one early summer, and since Apple is mostly LG supplied, I wonder if LG will make an announcement before then...but so many rumors and so few shows between now and June. I guess I'll just continue on with my sammy 240 for while longer.

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I was also looking at the Sceptre 30" LCD TV's at Costco.com. This was the best price I have seen. Would it be a good computer monitor for my mom who has only partial vision so we need to go BIG in display but PQ does not have to be exceptional because she could not tell the difference.

Costco.com also has a 42" SVA Plasma for only a couple of hunderd dollars more but still inder 2k. I was thinking that the LCD would be better for her but since the plasma is close in price, would I be better off going with the plasma?

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I was also looking at the Sceptre 30" LCD TV's at Costco.com. This was the best price I have seen. Would it be a good computer monitor for my mom who has only partial vision so we need to go BIG in display but PQ does not have to be exceptional because she could not tell the difference.

Costco.com also has a 42" SVA Plasma for only a couple of hunderd dollars more but still inder 2k. I was thinking that the LCD would be better for her but since the plasma is close in price, would I be better off going with the plasma?
Using a plasma primarily as a computer monitor seems like a very bad idea given the burn-in plasmas can suffer.
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The plasma would be a bedroom TV and then used as a computer monitor when she wanted to send emails or surf the net. I am leaning towards the LCD because it is lighter and easier to move into different rooms. It looked like a great deal.

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Quote:
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I was also looking at the Sceptre 30" LCD TV's at Costco.com. This was the best price I have seen. Would it be a good computer monitor for my mom who has only partial vision so we need to go BIG in display but PQ does not have to be exceptional because she could not tell the difference.

Costco.com also has a 42" SVA Plasma for only a couple of hunderd dollars more but still inder 2k. I was thinking that the LCD would be better for her but since the plasma is close in price, would I be better off going with the plasma?
I just ordered the X30SV-NagaIII on line from Costco! The costco ad excludes details which are found on Sceptre's website. DVI-HDCP which the Scpectre Tech told me will also support PC DVI. This should be a nice large desktop!

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Mark,

In an earlier post in this thread, you said you had spoken with Sceptre and were told the NagaIII wouldn't be available until the 4th quarter of this year. Did Costco confirm this? If so, it seems strange they would have this item on their web site and accept orders this far in advance.

Thanks, and I look forward to your review (even if it's not until the 4th quarter!).
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Earlier this year I called Sceptre and was told to expect NagaIII at end of year. But when the costco deal was reported, I called Sceptre and they confirmed Costco has an exclusive on the NagaIII which is available NOW and when they are sold out, that's it! So it seems like the right super PC monitor that can do HDTV as well!

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Thanks, Mark. That's great news. I may have to jump on one of these myself!
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Sceptre at Costco sounds quite interesting- i may want one for a combined computer/TV viewing application. Anxious to hear how you like it for both PC and TV viewing.

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I own a Maxent right now. Bought it from Costco about 2 months ago. I'm going to return it and get this Scepter instead.

Maxent: 27", 500:1 CR, 8W sound, noisy
Sceptre: 30", 600:1 CR, 16W sound, cheaper and has to be less noisy. :)

My choice is simple. :D

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Eric,
What do you mean by "noisy"? Noisy as grainy? Or noisy as when the grounding is poor and you can see the effect of RFI/EMI? Just curious. This MAxent's specs look good otherwise.

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Damn. I was looking at the Viewsonic N3000W and N3020W, but that Sceptre at Costco looks interesting!
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OK, now that a few of us are waiting for our Sceptres to arrive, I would like to ask you guys what is the best way to check the screen for any dead pixels or sub-pixels. I know there are some tools to do that. Suggestions?

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Another Sceptre purchaser. I had been looking at Medion 30" at Costco and watched it come and go several times. When this Sceptre appeared this time, I grabbed it. Keeping my fingers crossed that is actually arrives and pic quality is good. Will report back . . .
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TauRus,

I meant noisy as in "not silent". The Maxent has pretty noisy fans in the back that are outputing about the noise level of an average PC, which is quite distracting to say the least.

I read on this forum that the Medion didn't have this issue, so hopefully, the Sceptre won't have this problem either.

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Thanks for clarification, Eric! :) For some reason I did not think of the direct meaning of this word :)

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I'm very interested in this thread!!! I've been looking at some 23" and 30" and can`t find one that supposed to be the best...
I've started a thread in this section but only one person answered, I hope to get better feedback here :)
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Same here. Also interested to read the feedback from the guys who own or have extensively compared the panels. In my limited experience with large size LCD displays, I can say that the best PQ on a 23" display was on Zenith LCD TV (and I assume it therefore applies to LG models), and among 30" displays that I have seen to date Sharp Aquos 30". Between the two displays I mentioned, Zenith IMHO had a slight edge - more natural colors, excellent flesh tones, very good contrast. Sharp was very close to the Zenith, just offering slightly less in terms of contrast. But again, thee two panels are in different weight categories, so direct comparison is perhaps not fare.
But in terms of value, at the moment I can hardly find anything that is close to the Sceptre display. Hopefully, it will not dissapoint with its performance once it arrives.
Lets hope other will chime in with their experience.

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Here it is.........

http://www.costco.com/frameset.asp?t...1&log=&NavTop=

GREAT GREAT PRICE!!!
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you guys saw this one here?

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...A3LJ5WMKNRFKQS


looks very very interesting!
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Yep, thats where a few of us already ordered them. But it takes Costco up to 20 days to ship them ... aghhhh

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