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I posted this question as part of another thread, but didn't get an answer, so I'll ask again: based on past history, long long is it likely to be from the time Panasonic announces the 7UY to when the new models hit the stores?

I'm just about ready to buy a 6UY, but would rather wait for the 7UY if it'll be available in a month or two.

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Jerry: This has been discussed a couple times, but currently no one knows. I spoke to Matt at Visual Apex earlier this week, and he hasn't heard a thing. The only thing he DID confirm is that the 7UYs will be a LOT more expensive than what the 6UYs are going for now, at least during the first few months of launch.
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Stencil,

Thanks! That's something at least.

I think what I'm really looking for is if anyone has any recollection of how long it was between the time the 6UY was announced and when it started shipping. I know this may not correlate exactly with the timeframe for the 7UY, but it'll be another datapoint that may help me make my decision.

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"The only thing he DID confirm is that the 7UYs will be a LOT more expensive than what the 6UYs are going for now,"

Hasn't heard a thing, but is sure of that?

OK.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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Just reporting what the man said. I interpret this as a combination of two things: 1) They won't be heavily discounting the 7's right off the line and 2) They want to move the 6's that they already have in stock.
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I like the theory behind (2). Hard for me to believe that the new models will be appreciably more than the existing ones are now. Maybe $200-400 at intro? Maybe less than that?

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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Mark,

I agree. The 7uy's are rumored to have some nice new features certainly, but nothing to warrant a huge price increase. Anyway the China fab will be open soon, so I would think they would want to decrease prices to ship more units.

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Price increase? Everything I've been reading points to drops in plasma prices toward the end of the year, but if Panny raises the price maybe I'll get that 50PHD6UY after all instead of waiting for the 7UY.
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Hmmmm, if I understand correctly, a salesperson with no information on features, production numbers, ship dates etc. of the 7UY AND who has 6UY's in stock, ready to sell, mysteriously has info that the 7UY will be a "LOT" more expensive than his existing stock of 6UY's. Maybe he is right. I have no info to dispute his claim but it does seem to defy logic just a bit.

"LOT" can certainly be a relative term as well. My 4UY was a LOT more expensive than the current price of the 6UY.

Panasonic has used 3rd quarter release dates in the past for new units with a few trickling out just a bit earlier. I too am interested in the release date of the 7UY as I am considering adding another plasma, however; a price point which is a "LOT" higher even with features to justify it would seem to tip the scales causing a reduction in sales as buyers chose a competitor's product. Either way it all seems to be speculation at this time.

Unfortunately I am still struggling to put my mind's understanding of the virtue of patience into my buying practices and only having limited success. Possibly a few people understand this problem - maybe even the salesperson.
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Guys, I think what he meant is not necessaily that the retail price would be higher, but that they wouldn't be selling them for what they're currently selling the 6's. At least not yet.

But, yes, he is a salesperson.
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Eloquently put, iceman143.
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Guys, I think what he meant is not necessarily that the retail price would be higher, but that they wouldn't be selling them for what they're currently selling the 6's. At least not yet.
Yup.

Discounts on new models are around 25% at intro.
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No further details available but the following are 7 series "rumors"...


1.) Has video noise reduction

2.) Will have discrete input (slot) IR codes

3.) Uses a new blue pixel material more resistive to burn in

4.) Half brightness life doubled to 60,000 hours

5.) Will accept and scale 1080p signals


...from a little birdie and NOT any official announcement. Time frame guesstimate 2-3 months.

Don't ask... don't know any more

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Techniwizard and his birdie have a history of reliability. His guesstimate works for me.
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Aagh, why can't these companies get it through their heads that we want new displays BEFORE football season starts! That would definitely push me to buy now. :)
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I thought the 6uy already had a half brightness life of 60,000 hours, did I miss something?

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ghjaxman - good question. I just ordered the 50" sixer and am now wondering the same thing again.
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I thought the 6uy already had a half brightness life of 60,000 hours, did I miss something?
Yup. 60,000 hours (half brightness) for the "6UY" Models.
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Thanks BruZZi, I thought I was right on that one. I guess I'll go back and try and work some of the hours off my set.

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If anyone thinks 60,000 hours isn't enough, they need to buy a life rather than a new TV set. :)

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Hey guys -

This is Matt from VA. Just wanted to clarify what I've been quoted as saying. As everyone knows, Panasonic hasn't released a single shred of information on the 7 series plasmas at this point. This includes pricing information. What I said was based on an educated guess and certainly as a salesperson, it shouldn't necessarily be taken as bible truth. (As much as my ego might want to wrestle with that fact.)

The 6 series plasmas are priced significantly low as of the moment, and common sense suggests that the 7 series will be priced higher. However, since the price and availability of plasmas is coming within the grasp of most of us commoners, the 7 series will probably roll out into the market at a lower price point than when the 6 series was released. Though it is going to be pricier than the 6 series are now. Perhaps using the word "lot" was a bit excessive, but don't expect them to be down in the levels that the 6 series are right now.

Of course, this is all conjecture. Panasonic, as with any manufacturer, has the right to place their product on the market at whatever price point that they feel best speaks to their product, its quality and competitiveness within the market.

I think that we all need to keep that in mind. Any information you get from a salesperson, unless they are a representative from Panasonic, is going to be guesses at best.

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Matt, thanks for the humble clarification. Now come on and be a good salesman and lie to me and tell me they'll be in tomorrow and I can have one for the opening ceremony Friday night! :) :)
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I also welcome Matt here, but take issue with this:

"The 6 series plasmas are priced significantly low as of the moment, and common sense suggests that the 7 series will be priced higher."

No it doesn't.

First of all, the market is facing declining prices in general.

Second of all, prior introductions have not seen this pricing increase pattern.

That said, prices could be higher. But I'd make a case that they could also be lower. They are likely to be very similar.

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Hi Matt and welcome to the forum. I have been very pleased with the service from your company in the past.

I do agree with Rogo. Cost and competition is driving the market price down. Case in point look at the Sony 34" XBR CRT. The recent release of the 960 with more "stuff" to it was at a price lower than its predecessor the 910.

Matt is right these are only guesses so it would be nice if Panasonic would help us by removing the guesswork.
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Matt, welcome to the forum!

Everyone else, what do you do while you wait for the 7uy? This is what I do:
1) Go to the movies really often.
2) For my 20" TV, rent VHS tapes instead of DVD's so I can watch movies full-screen so I can see the expressions on the actors faces.
3) Go to a friend's house and watch TV on his "huge" 27" TV.
4) Read books and imagine what I am reading in 1080p, 16:9, 7.1 surround sound glory.
5) Keep wife, friends and co-workers up to date about the latest 7uy rumors.
6) Convince other people to get a plasma TV (1 person so far who is now also waiting for the 7uy).
7) Cruise the AVS forum obsessively--even the FP and RP forums.

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Matt, welcome to the forum!

Everyone else, what do you do while you wait for the 7uy? This is what I do:
1) Go to the movies really often.
2) For my 20" TV, rent VHS tapes instead of DVD's so I can watch movies full-screen so I can see the expressions on the actors faces.
3) Go to a friend's house and watch TV on his "huge" 27" TV.
4) Read books and imagine what I am reading in 1080p, 16:9, 7.1 surround sound glory.
5) Keep wife, friends and co-workers up to date about the latest 7uy rumors.
6) Convince other people to get a plasma TV (1 person so far who is now also waiting for the 7uy).
7) Cruise the AVS forum obsessively--even the FP and RP forums.

Nick
I handled this problem quite easily - I bought a 6uy. :)
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Matt, welcome to the forum!

Everyone else, what do you do while you wait for the 7uy? This is what I do:
1) Go to the movies really often.
2) For my 20" TV, rent VHS tapes instead of DVD's so I can watch movies full-screen so I can see the expressions on the actors faces.
3) Go to a friend's house and watch TV on his "huge" 27" TV.
4) Read books and imagine what I am reading in 1080p, 16:9, 7.1 surround sound glory.
5) Keep wife, friends and co-workers up to date about the latest 7uy rumors.
6) Convince other people to get a plasma TV (1 person so far who is now also waiting for the 7uy).
7) Cruise the AVS forum obsessively--even the FP and RP forums.

Nick
LOL....number 5 is especially true (I just read this to my wife!):D

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I'm excited about the 7th generation Panny plasma. At least on paper, it addresses what I feel are the two biggest problems with Panny plasmas: noise and false contouring (greyscale steps).

Of course, we'll have to see it first. Unless someone here has been to Japan recently and seen one.
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