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post #181 of 539 Old 11-30-2004, 08:43 AM
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Prohoc -

Thanks for the info. I plan to do a initial calibration using Video Essentials when I set up the P42HD (also in the bedroom in my case) then do a follow-up calibration after perhaps 100 hours of use (since plasma's can produce some early wear-in effects). Not having a $$$ color calibration meter, I use a reference 6500K light source that I built along the lines of that described on thread on the forum from perhaps 2 years ago.

For your DVD player connection are you using 480p or 480i over component video?

Finally which cable system are you on and which HD STB did they provide that supports the DVI connection? (I'm on Cox in Fairfax Co. and they use Scientific Atlanta STBs - I currently have a SA3250 for my HD projector). Do all of the cable channels come over the DVI interface, or only the digital cable channels?

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I have an inexpensive progressive scan DVD at present for the P42. I have tried both outputs (progressive and interlaced) into the component input. With the progressive output, I got some vertical banding on the screen. The interlaced had no similar problem and looked very good. May be an issue with the player, however. It also indicated that the deinterlacer in the panel is respectable.

I use Cox as well, but the STB is a Motorola. All of the cable channels are output through the DVI. I was able to compare HBO on all formats (ch.20 for analog, ch 200 for digital and ch. 700 for HD.). Interesting comparison. The analog looked pretty good...better than NBC, CBS, etc. The digital was noticably better and of course the HD was a huge jump.

I would like to see the thread you speak of on the 6500K light source. Sounds like a good Idea that works. Thanks.
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If you can't locate that earlier thread on the 6500K light reference, I can probably dig up the information.

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Hard to tell how much difference without a direct comparison, but I don't think it is big. On a good signal, as I recall the differences are in the small details as opposed to the overall quality. Little less noise in the background, a few more scaling artifacts. The contrast, color and brightness seem pretty comparable to my recollection. Sorry I can't be more specific. I will have to go check out a Pioneer again.

On the color temp controls, I believe that they are remembered for each input, as are the more basic settings. Of course, the only ones I have used so far are DVI and one of the component inputs. I will double check.
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One of my concerns is the life expectancy of this panel. Does the manual say?

(Since the manufacturer decided not to answer me...)
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I don't recall any estimates. Will double check and update this post if there is anything. Again, the manual is pretty skimpy on information.
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One of my concerns is the life expectancy of this panel. Does the manual say?

(Since the manufacturer decided not to answer me...)
See post #160
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...75#post4712875

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Any idea Jim? I remeber a forum member asked and was told soon a few weeks back.

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I emailed CS @ Sam's about this monitor and they replied that it will only be available online, not in stores. However, I have decided to gamble and ordered it anyway. The only thing I have to lose is the freight $, otherwise it can be returned to my local Sam's Club if I am unhappy with it.

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FYI - I ordered a Vizio P42HD from Sam's Club 2 weeks ago today and a local delivery service called yesterday to schedule delivery. Unfortunately I'm traveling out of town this week so my delivery won't be until next Monday. Anyway you can expect 2 to 2 1/2 weeks for delivery to the east coast.

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Lookie at what target is selling !!!

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Yeah but they got it spec'd out wrong as an older ALiS panel of 1024x1024 and 1000:1 CR. Unless they are indeed actually selling an older model. Regardless, people will still pay that price and feel confident they got a good deal.
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Guys,

What color is this thing? It looks silver at the Sams website, but looks dark charcoal at the Vizio and Target website. Is it possible Sams is a different color because of the different price point?

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Guys,

What color is this thing? It looks silver at the Sams website, but looks dark charcoal at the Vizio and Target website. Is it possible Sams is a different color because of the different price point?

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WOW. What a difference in price.
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I do see Target's shipping price less than Sam's but there is still a $$$ price difference in the delivered price.

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They appear to be different models.
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Costco now has this so you guys can go and take a peek, at least my local Costco now has it.
Looks very impressive to me, thus very appealing! I had to sit myself down and wrote down some points before convincing myself not to pull the trigger.
The main main concern is the lack of a digital tuner.
Otherwise, you guys who have been bothered by the high shipping cost of Sams Club can now unleash yourself!
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Don't have a costco in the area just yet. One opens next week across town and another this summer. And yes I will have to take a peek.
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I was at one of our local Costco's yesterday and they did not have the Vizio P42HD on display. Perhaps it will be showing up within a few days. Was the in-store Costco price close to the Sam's Club on-line price or somewhat higher (i.e., closer to the Sam's price with shipping). I did check and Costco does not list the Vizio P42HD on their web site.

As for the lack of a ATSC digital tuner, I don't consider that a big shortcoming considering the price of the Vizio. The least expensive 42 HD plasma with an ATSC tuner is from Dell and that unit's tuner is NOT CableCard digital cable ready and that is a big shortcoming for many people. I would rather wait a few months and buy one of the Sony HD-DVRs that do include a CableCard enabled digital tuner. The total cost of the Vizio P42HD plus one of these Sony HD-DVRs (or perhaps competing HD-DVRs from LG) will only be a little more than the Dell and will give you a lot more capability.

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No wonder it's so cheap... no burn-in protection
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burn-in protection = costco return policy
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At this point there is no evidence that the Vizio is any better or any worst in terms of burn-in as compared to other brands/models of plasma displays. The Vizio may have a pixel orbiting features that very slowly shifts the image to help prevent burn-in. I believe the issue is if the Costco policy (or any other vendor) will accept any plasma for repair/replacement/refund if you were to return it with burn-in. This issue is not specific to the Vizio, but rather to all plasmas.

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btw, every costco in MA has this except everet and waltham. also, nashua, nh has it. i just bought one from nashua to save the sales tax.

i just set it up and am bummed that it doesn't seem to have a stretch mode for 4:3 content coming in through 720p or 1080i. i read the other cheap hd plasma(the bydesign) does this easily...

also, at costco, they had the demo setup next to the panny ed 42". the panny had MUCH better contrast although the rsolution advantage of the vizio was visible. for some reasom, the vizio seemed to appear a "hazy" (or blurry) picture compared to the panny. both were fed with components from an hd sat tuner.

more to come...
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hperry -

Were you able to adjust the contrast and brightness on the Panny and Visio plasmas at Costco to see if you could get similar black levels out of the Vizio as compared to the Panny. If you weren't able to make these adjustments then the comparison doesn't mean very much on uncalibrated displays.

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ron,

i was able to get my hands on the vizio remote from a sales person. i was not able to create blacks on par with the panny but i didn't try that hard either. also, i'm definitely no expert on this....
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Hi Ron (and all)!
I am in CT. Don't know whether it is a special inventory here. I heard a guy in the Elect. dept. of Costco sying that they keep their plasma line number fixed (3 kinds of display a time here). They will only get a new line when one runs out. If that is the case and your warehouse want to carry it, wait till old line is sold out in your warehouse.
Shh...! the damage to your wallet is two dozen Benjamines plus tax.
Anyway, Ron,that Dell HD ATSC doesn't include a QAM decoding function. My philosophy is that if there is no HD tuner, then there is no need for HD resolution since EDTV will just do as well for DVDs. And I'm not going to pay Comcast 8 bucks a month to rent a HD box :)
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I have 3 Costco's withing 8 miles of my home in Northern Virginia. I was at one on Saturday and they didn't have the Vizio P42HD on display. I pass by a difference Costco on my way home from work and I'll stop by there today to see if they are displaying one. The Panasonic EDTV has a better spec'ed contrast ratio (ie. 4000:1) than any HDTV plasma, including those from Panasonic (3000:1). Therefore, I would expect it to be better than the Vizio. However, given the inputs from the two forum members that have already received their Vizio P42HD units, I would expect a calibrated Vizio to be within the same ballpark as a Panasonic HD plasma, expecially when viewing under less then ideal store lighting conditions. I should have my Vizio delivered this Wednesday and I will do a first cut calibration using video essentials and report back on how the black levels look to me.

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i just bought one from nashua to save the sales tax...
No doubt you're aware that you're "supposed" to pay a 5% use tax on untaxed out-of-state purchases. That line quietly snuck onto the MA state tax return a couple of years ago.
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No doubt you're aware that you're "supposed" to pay a 5% use tax on untaxed out-of-state purchases. That line quietly snuck onto the MA state tax return a couple of years ago.
Right, just like I'm "supposed" to pay that 5% tax on all out of state mail order/internet purchases....
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