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Samsung now has a new LNR-269D in stock for 26". These are 8ms as opposed to 12ms and the new models come in 26, 32, 40, and 46" sizes.

Price I saw was over $1700 for the 26". Considering they just got inventory and its new, it seems to be in stock at the very high end shops. I wonder if Samsung is planning on keeping the new high end models as a HIGH END specialty product and keep the existing lineup as the mainstream.
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I don't see the new or the old 46" LCD on the samsungusa website!
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Here is a brochure for the entire 9D line (got it last week from Samsung's website) - it includes the 469D.

 

LNR269D,329D,409D,469D_1.pdf 403.5859375k . file
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thanks ericscott!

but in terms of resolution, isn't it a step backwards for samsung? the old 46" model had a native resolution of 1920 x 1080, while that of the new one is 1366x768!!!
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cnet has reviewed a 32" model samsung that isnt a 9d series and looks different also. It offers dvi and hdmi inputs now. Is samsung launching two series of lcd panels for this year?
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I was eyeing the LNW line to possibly purchase a 32" model this xmas, any info on the main differences here?
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Samsung has two lines of new LCDs for 2005 - the 8W line and the 9D line. The 8W line (the "V" Shaped LCDs) has been out for a while and can be found at BB, CC and most B&Ms. The 9D line is supposed to be a "higher end" line and is just coming out now - not sure which stores will carry it. Other than aesthetics and a slightly improved response time is very similiar to the 8W (see below). Both have one HDMI input and no DVI inputs. The larger models (above 32" I believe) for both the 8W and 9D offer cable card. All of the 9D's have a built in ATSC tuner (no cablecard for smaller models), while only the larger 8W's (those w/ the cablecard) have ATSC tuners.

I went through the manuals for the 329D and the 328W (which I own) and AFAI can tell, the only real benefits/differences of the 329D over the 328W are:

1) 8ms response time on the 9D vs. 12ms on the 8W

2) ATSC tuner (but no cable card on the 32")

3) 2nd set of S-Video and composite inputs on the side

4) Digital audio out (not sure if this passes 5.1 from HDMI though)

5) In My Color Control you have 6 colors to adjust vs. 3 on the 8W

6) There is a dedicated Film Mode option (on the 8W film mode is always on I believe)

7) The case is obviously different - can see how some people would prefer the straight bottom edge to the v-shape esp. if you are wall-mounting. Although I think I prefer the silver stand on the 8W to the black one on the 9D

8) Fancier remote - can control other devices (honestly I think Samsung's remotes stink in general and prefer a universal)

9) The 9D is actually 0.5" deeper than the 8W (4.4" vs. 3.9") w/o the stand

Other than that, don't see any differences between the two sets.
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The resolution reduction on the 46" is very disappointing to me. I've got a 45" Sharp, and luckily it's the GX6U model, so I can use the "hack" to direct connect a 1080p signal from a computer. However, the "hack" will die when the GX6U model is no longer available. I believe a few folks had reported that the old 46" Samsung handled a 1920x1080p desktop signal from a computer without issue.

Dang, I was hoping for some price/feature competition for Sharp.

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Which one do y'all think looks better?

Sony's new 40
http://www.gwinnetttv.com/video/tvs/...LV40XBR1_M.gif

or

Samsung's new 40
http://akamaipix.crutchfield.com/pro...R409-f_MT.jpeg
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Neither, but I say the Sony because it's a 40
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i think the sony lcd looks better :)

any guesses on how much the new 46" samsung model will cost??
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Doesn't Sony buy it's panels from Samsung? Bet the two displays will be very comparable PQ wise but the Sony will cost $300-$500 more.
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Actually, Eric, the Sony is $500 cheaper. :eek: :D

The 409d has an MSRP of $3,999 and the Sony $3,499. I know it's hard to believe, especially since the Sony is an XBR model.
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i think the sony lcd looks better :)

any guesses on how much the new 46" samsung model will cost??
LN-R469D = $5500 MSRP (according to google at least)
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The most recent Nielsen polls show that Samsung is now more famous than Sony. So we see this indicated in MSRPs. :)

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Doesn't Sony buy it's panels from Samsung? Bet the two displays will be very comparable PQ wise but the Sony will cost $300-$500 more.
Sony owns 1/2 of a JV called S-LCD. So they don't buy panels from Samsung. They share an assembly line with them.

Electronics are different between the two companies.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working. (Oh, and plasma didn't die because of logistics problems, nor does OLED ship in big boxes because it comes from Korea.)
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Is there a size around 30" from sony? I was looking at the LNR3228W and since the LNR329D has come out was interested in this model. I might consider the Sony if it's less in price-any idea?

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Hey Cammy,
It looks like we are in the market for the same size TV. Here is the 32" Sony XBR link:

http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTE...oryName=tv_lcd

it has ccfl backlighting, not sure how much this improves the picture tho :/
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Thanks for the link Price3!

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when is tvauthority getting in the ln-r460d
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Which one do y'all think looks better?
I like how the Samsung actually displays a picture, but the bevel on the Sony looks nicer to my eyes. :p
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thanks ericscott!

but in terms of resolution, isn't it a step backwards for samsung? the old 46" model had a native resolution of 1920 x 1080, while that of the new one is 1366x768!!!
This makes little / no sense.... I wonder if it isn't a printing error? Or worse, it's due to the Canon-stepper problem and raising the resolution pushed the yields back up?!?

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working. (Oh, and plasma didn't die because of logistics problems, nor does OLED ship in big boxes because it comes from Korea.)
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THE NEW PHONE BOOKS ARE HERE...THE NEW PHONE BOOKS ARE HERE!



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Sorry, couldn't resist :)
Things are going to start happening to me now. :p
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anyone here know if sony is going to have a 46" model lcd?
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These oil cans are defective!! :)

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Sony owns 1/2 of a JV called S-LCD. So they don't buy panels from Samsung. They share an assembly line with them.

Electronics are different between the two companies.
Is that JV up and running yet though? Thought Sony was currenlty buying panels from Samsung. In the WSJ a few days ago there was an article about Sony's terrible results, which were due to the fact that they purchased 90% of the parts for their LCDs from outside companies (mentioned Samsung). Also discussed the JV but not sure the current panels are coming from there yet.
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S-LCD is not producing all sizes of panels yet, AFAIK, but it should be up and running -- unless the Canon-stepper issue is affecting it.

Anyway, the point is that there is no reason Sony has to charge more money than Samsung unless they wish to.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working. (Oh, and plasma didn't die because of logistics problems, nor does OLED ship in big boxes because it comes from Korea.)
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S-LCD is not producing all sizes of panels yet, AFAIK, but it should be up and running -- unless the Canon-stepper issue is affecting it.

Anyway, the point is that there is no reason Sony has to charge more money than Samsung unless they wish to.
Oh yeah - I agree w/ that. But it seems Sony usually "wants to" :)
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Actually, Eric, the Sony is $500 cheaper. :eek: :D

The 409d has an MSRP of $3,999 and the Sony $3,499. I know it's hard to believe, especially since the Sony is an XBR model.
Looks like the 32's are comparable though. Both the Sony and the Samsung 9D appear to have MSRP of $2,700. Most places are already selling the Samsung for $2,300 though vs. the Sony which I can't seem to find anywhere (at least not from a reputable retailer).
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