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CaptinCrunch's Avatar CaptinCrunch 09:49 PM 01-15-2006
I just bought the Sharp 37D6U on friday, it has a build date of December 05. This set after DVE calibration has awesome black levels and no ghosting or blur motion what so ever!! and I know what to look for because this is my 3rd LCD in less than 30 days. I also cant access the Color stream menu, it's grayed out.

This 37D6U is not even close to the one I looked at at Fry's, PQ is way better. For Sharp to be putting it's 06 models out by early march they would have started building them as early as December. Do you think that maybe some of the last D6U's made got the D90U's hook up, you know 37D6U is really a 37D90U??

Even my wife said this one looks different, much sharper and clearer. How ever I do sometimes see a slight pixilation to some backgrounds. and before anyone says it I already know that what you see at the store is crap to start with, like I said this is my 3rd LCD set in 30 days.

1. LG 32LXd1
2. Panasonic 32LX50
3. Sharp 37D6U
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necrolop's Avatar necrolop 11:03 PM 01-15-2006
Na, cause the d90 is a totally different panel.
R11's Avatar R11 12:55 PM 01-16-2006
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Originally Posted by santori_time
How would one tell the difference between the two? I have fed a 1:1 digital signal from my computer (which would presumably avoid most of the processing) and I still see blur. In this case the blur is a little more subtle but it is still present. In regards to the Sharps image processing ability, I have seen blur on every LCD I have ever seen so I am not sure this is a processing problem. Furthermore, I have never seen similar blur on a plasma ( a tech that should not have RT issues but still requires digital image processing).
Well, LC response time is all about high speed movement and reducing ghosting/trails of fast moving objects (matters of ms). I would not think that seeing field blur when a relatively slow screen pan occurs should indicate an issue with response time, but rather an issue with the processing not being able to keep up or improper, unsophisticated processing resulting in partial picture information being dropped altogether.


PS: Thanks again for the PDF Mike!


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BritishDominion's Avatar BritishDominion 11:22 PM 01-16-2006
Ok heres the situtation...

In the store i work at (CompUSA) we have 3 units of LC-32d4u on their way to our store.

Now they are due in 2 weeks.

Based on the price I can get it for, I was 100% certain that was the model to go for. But after hearing of the ces announcements I am finding it hard to come to conclusion.....

Either to go with the 32d4u as soon as it comes in or hold off till march for the 32d40u or possibly the d50u if our company decides to carry it.

Problem is based on the delay of our store getting the 32d4u..... (we haven't even received any yet, this is the very first shipment thats about to arrive), adding to the fact that they have been out for quite some time, I am guessing its going to take at least till june at the very earliest for our store to even list them on out system. :(

I need your help mike53 and I was going to ask, if possible would it be ok to send me the new 2006 brochure via pm or whatever method is more convenient for you so I could see the the design of the d40u and see if its as sexy as the d4u (piano black with side speakers) vs piano black with bottom speakers. And finally come to a wise purchase desicion with your assistance of course.

I would like to purchase this tv but I don't want to get it now and regret it, if we start carrying the d40u as early as march but then thats 2-3 months of living without a tv!

P.S. While I know my stuff when it comes to computers I don't specialize in our Home Entertainment department ( we have an ex good guys specialist for our HE department) so please don't judge CompUSA by my some what inexperienced post ;) .

I will proudly say this though:

After taking over Good Guys and integrating them into our stores, adding to the fact that we now carry all the top TV brands they used to carry (SHARP AQUOS, SONY XBR Series, LG, just to name a select few); we now compete directly with the big boys (Magnolia Hi-Fi, Best Buy, Circuit City, etc) in Home Entertainment. (Well at least in California that is....) :cool:
DigitalGriffin's Avatar DigitalGriffin 08:29 AM 01-17-2006
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Originally Posted by JimSD
I'm guessing Sharp eliminated them as another way to get their costs down closer to the lower tier LCD TVs. Not only are they a hardware cost at manufacturing time, but Cablecard and TVGOS are probably very expensive for them on the customer support end.
Cable companies really don't like cable cards because it doesn't allow purchases of PPV programs. Hence forth cable cards are a potential reduction in their revenue stream, and therefore are not offered as standard hookups.

Paired with the fact that most people don't know what a cable card is, it's not wonder that it's dieing a slow painful death.

I find it a shame, because anything that reduces additional remote buttons, button pushes and cable clutter is a big winner in my book. It's too bad Sharp is dropping this.

Strange irony is that I have DirecTV. And while DirecTV doesn't support cablecard, I would be more likely to switch to Comcast/Suscom/Cox if I had a set that had it.

So are cable companies shooting themselves in the foot?
jae77's Avatar jae77 10:35 AM 01-17-2006
the next tivo to be releases (hd version) contains 2 cable card slots, so to me it seems they are banking on that as a tech that isn't about to disappear.

it also seems that cable companies don't charge as much to rent the cable card (at least time warner in nyc doesn't) so that probably cuts into their revenues as well.
R11's Avatar R11 10:43 AM 01-17-2006
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Originally Posted by BritishDominion
I need your help mike53 and I was going to ask, if possible would it be ok to send me the new 2006 brochure via pm or whatever method is more convenient for you so I could see the the design of the d40u and see if its as sexy as the d4u (piano black with side speakers) vs piano black with bottom speakers. And finally come to a wise purchase desicion with your assistance of course.
Just PM Mike your email address where you would like him to send the brochure. FWIW, I am not a real big fan of the current side speaker piano black units. Something about the case design with the speakers curving outward making the panel look fat on the ends just looks a bit off to me. After looking at the pics of the new bottom mount black units I would have to say the physical appearance is much more appealing to my eye. Beyond that, it's hard to say without actually viewing them (D40U), but I would really have to think the large increase in contrast ratio, response time and better viewing angle from the multi-pixel panel should make a noticeably improved PQ. Worth waiting for? Only you can determine that. I know I would but many people are just not that discriminating about PQ.


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QZ1's Avatar QZ1 11:25 AM 01-17-2006
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Originally Posted by jae77
the next tivo to be releases (hd version) contains 2 cable card slots, so to me it seems they are banking on that as a tech that isn't about to disappear.
That was just a prototype. Speculation is that it won't be released like that; rather, it will have one CC2 slot. We shall see.
sfhub's Avatar sfhub 12:25 PM 01-17-2006
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Originally Posted by jae77
the next tivo to be releases (hd version) contains 2 cable card slots, so to me it seems they are banking on that as a tech that isn't about to disappear.

it also seems that cable companies don't charge as much to rent the cable card (at least time warner in nyc doesn't) so that probably cuts into their revenues as well.
If you watch the video interview with Mr. Pony of TiVo from CES, you'll note he says you can use 2 single-stream CC or 1 multi-stream CC. Multi-stream CC means CC 2.0. That is from the horses mouth, literally :). Whether they deliver is a different story and it might not be their fault if the don't.

MSO rates for CC vary wildly. In my area, they charge $6.95 per CableCARD, same as an STB. Some areas they charge $2.95, some areas the CableCARD is free with one time install fee. Various combinations of above are possible too.
patrickmunn's Avatar patrickmunn 05:48 PM 01-17-2006
Looking at the 2006 Sharp specifications it shows that the LC-65/57D90U have two i.Link ports where the LC-45/37D90U have two DTVLink ports. I realize that they are both FireWire (IEEE 1394) but what are the differences between i.Link and DTVLink?
CaseCom's Avatar CaseCom 01:05 AM 01-18-2006
DTVLink is a CEA term for an IEEE 1394 connection that uses DTCP copy protection. i-Link is just Sony's term for IEEE 1394, so maybe it doesn't include the DTCP? Or maybe an oversight?
lazyn00b's Avatar lazyn00b 02:58 AM 01-18-2006
Since the new D40U models don't seem to have any DVI ports, the question is will they accept native resolution or something close like 1360/1368x768 via a DVI>HDMI cable?
jae77's Avatar jae77 07:54 AM 01-18-2006
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Originally Posted by sfhub
If you watch the video interview with Mr. Pony of TiVo from CES, you'll note he says you can use 2 single-stream CC or 1 multi-stream CC. Multi-stream CC means CC 2.0. That is from the horses mouth, literally :). Whether they deliver is a different story and it might not be their fault if the don't.

MSO rates for CC vary wildly. In my area, they charge $6.95 per CableCARD, same as an STB. Some areas they charge $2.95, some areas the CableCARD is free with one time install fee. Various combinations of above are possible too.
i thought cc 2.0 wasn't finalized yet - isn't mutlistream something different then being able to send two way communications between you and the cable company for ppv, on-demand, etc?

good point on the mso rates - i just surprised me that time warner had such a drastic price difference (~2 bux vs ~10 bux).
sfhub's Avatar sfhub 10:33 AM 01-18-2006
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Originally Posted by jae77
i thought cc 2.0 wasn't finalized yet - isn't mutlistream something different then being able to send two way communications between you and the cable company for ppv, on-demand, etc?
Is TiVo 3 finalized yet? :) As long as CC 2.0 is firm enough prior to TiVo 3 shipping everything will be fine. In fact, as long as the CC 2.0 hardware specs are firm, they can ship and update stuff later in an OS update.

So which CableCARD are you saying supports multi-stream?

I can tell you for sure 1.0 does not and the next version is 2.0.

2.0 adds 2 capabilities, multi-stream, and 2-way. They are different functionalities, but they are both included in 2.0.
QZ1's Avatar QZ1 03:09 PM 01-18-2006
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Originally Posted by sfhub
So which CableCARD are you saying supports multi-stream?

I can tell you for sure 1.0 does not and the next version is 2.0.

2.0 adds 2 capabilities, multi-stream, and 2-way. They are different functionalities, but they are both included in 2.0.
I have read here many times that CC1 supports, but does not mandate, multi-stream cards; whereas CC2 does mandate it.
R11's Avatar R11 03:54 PM 01-18-2006
Quote regarding the Sharp 4-wavelength backlight from this NE Asia article referenced in the SED thread:

http://neasia.nikkeibp.com/neasia/002048

"Sharp Corp of Japan will be the first to commercialize a technology of this type. The 65-inch LCD TV released in August 2005, the largest in the industry, switches from the conventional 3-wavelength CFL backlight to a 4-wavelength design, expanding the range of color reproduction to 79% of NTSC spec."



Aren't regular CCFL somewhere in the neighborhood of the low 70% range? If this is correct it would appear that the additional "crimson" wavelength doesn't extend the gamut range a whole lot. Wonder how much of a difference it will actually make from a practical viewing standpoint...


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jae77's Avatar jae77 07:45 AM 01-19-2006
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Originally Posted by QZ1
I have read here many times that CC1 supports, but does not mandate, multi-stream cards; whereas CC2 does mandate it.
i've seen the same thing (either here, or over on the tivo community forums) - i also read something about the muti-stream cards being considered a "1.5" release - but that was never something official.
BRY1080P's Avatar BRY1080P 02:35 PM 01-19-2006
Does anyone know the dimensions for the new 1080P 37" Sharp coming out in may, I only have 37" width to work with.
BRY1080P's Avatar BRY1080P 02:36 PM 01-19-2006
typo, that's 38" width
R11's Avatar R11 02:46 PM 01-19-2006
Have not seen actual dimension specs anywhere yet, but based on their previous bottom mount 37's I'd say panel only should be approx 37-8" x 26-7" (without stand).


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patrickmunn's Avatar patrickmunn 02:48 PM 01-19-2006
The LC-37D40U says that it's 37-1/4" while the LC-37D90U says "TBA"
sirbrillo's Avatar sirbrillo 03:04 PM 01-19-2006
Are these sharps ever going to get thinner in depth than 4.5inch?

the older units were at least an inch thinner, its kinda silly to have LCD that is so deep, whats the point of calling it a flat panel?

The commercial panny's are only 3.5inch's thick, and LCD is suppose to be thinner than plasma.
R11's Avatar R11 03:25 PM 01-19-2006
The older AVC units were thinner IIRC. Just like the commercial Panny PDP, they did not have tuners, full complement of input hardware etc inside the panel casings to tend with.


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DrizztD0Urden's Avatar DrizztD0Urden 04:23 PM 01-19-2006
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Originally Posted by patrickmunn
The LC-37D40U says that it's 37-1/4" while the LC-37D90U says "TBA"
I'm pretty sure that's just the diagonal display dimensions, and not the dimensions of the whole unit. I'd have to check the PDF I got at home though.


-opps... I stand corrected.
patrickmunn's Avatar patrickmunn 04:46 PM 01-19-2006
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I'm pretty sure that's just the diagonal display dimensions, and not the dimensions of the whole unit. I'd have to check the PDF I got at home though.
per the pdf: 37-1/4"x29-17/32x4-19/32" (WxHxD)
HeyU's Avatar HeyU 05:26 PM 01-20-2006
I have had my heart set on the 45D90 until Mike 53 said that it wouldn't have a cablecard. At a MSRP of about 5 grand this unit certainly isn't going to appeal to the price-conscious buyer so why preclude the option of using a CC? Sharp: let the buyer make that decision!

I don't know what the incremental cost of a CC might be, but in this price range what's a little more money? Sharp will have the D40 series to compete on price so why go cheap on the D90? I don't get it. And unfortunately, and sadly, I probably won't "get it" either.
necrolop's Avatar necrolop 07:11 PM 01-20-2006
I see your point, but I guess sthey figure most people willing to shell out $5K for a TV would also want a DVR, therefore have no need for CC.
Kilted's Avatar Kilted 11:07 PM 01-20-2006
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Originally Posted by necrolop
I see your point, but I guess sthey figure most people willing to shell out $5K for a TV would also want a DVR, therefore have no need for CC.

CC is point well taken. BUT, for a top end 45" I'm looking more for PQ, varity of inputs, a high Q scaling engine, as future proof as possible. For sure I'm going pair that unit with a DVR either leased or some thing like the new TiVo S3 when the CC incompatability gets sorted out.

I feel that a WORKING CC is more important in the 22"-32" tvs as these will likely be second or third tv's in dens, offices, bedrooms, etc. where a STB just adds to the clutter.

Thats why I got a Sharp LC-26D6U as a second tv, just wish the CC worked better. I even donot care about CC2, for this tv as that is what the DVR and later this year 45" is for.

-- Brandy
fjtorres's Avatar fjtorres 05:58 AM 01-21-2006
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Originally Posted by R11
Aren't regular CCFL somewhere in the neighborhood of the low 70% range? If this is correct it would appear that the additional "crimson" wavelength doesn't extend the gamut range a whole lot. Wonder how much of a difference it will actually make from a practical viewing standpoint...


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75% NTSC is the spec of my display which is built off a CMO merchant panel, rather than coming from a vertically integrated company.
So you're right; the 4-wavelength backlight doesn't seem to achieve all that much.
BRY1080P's Avatar BRY1080P 01:52 PM 01-21-2006
How much (estimate) will a 37" Sharp 1080P LCD be say next May, looking at having between 2000-2500 available by then.
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