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Apparently, Sony is rumored to be working on OLED collaboration with AUO. Now, of course, whatever they are doing is way behind Samsung and LG (and might be behind Panasonic). But at least it shows they are aware they need to do something, so I'd actually consider this a good thing.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working. (Oh, and plasma didn't die because of logistics problems, nor does OLED ship in big boxes because it comes from Korea.)
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^^ That seems to be my guess as well as per this post last nov:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...3#post21188093

There should be something out from AUO next 6 months.

BTW Sony just did a restructuring of their division:

http://www.slashgear.com/hirai-detai...lans-27220160/

Let's see if they can "remember" how to see "the-next-big-thing"
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Apparently, Sony is rumored to be working on OLED collaboration with AUO. Now, of course, whatever they are doing is way behind Samsung and LG (and might be behind Panasonic). But at least it shows they are aware they need to do something, so I'd actually consider this a good thing.

and that is not the only Sony rumor:
hx955 (4K?) 55&65 inch - available september 2012
CLED - available march 2013
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and that is not the only Sony rumor:
hx955 (4K?) 55&65 inch - available september 2012
CLED - available march 2013

Perhaps if there is a 55" ~ 65" CLED available next year I will have something to replace my XBR8 with! I would replace my U2311H with a PVM-2541, but price is prohibitive...
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Was Sharp doing anything with OLED development? They sold a part of their company to Hon Hai.

Weren't the Japanese companies going to be in some govt.-sponsored consortium for advanced displays development of some kind?
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Perhaps if there is a 55" ~ 65" CLED available next year I will have something to replace my XBR8 with! I would replace my U2311H with a PVM-2541, but price is prohibitive...

i'll wait till CLEDs hit the market, then i probably will start quoting

''..why is sony even looking into that?''

''I am skeptical on CLED''

''There is just no way that they are economical''


''CLED has zero chances even for commercialization not even speaking about profits''
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Prices will come down, it's the early adopters that pay the most.
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i cant wait til we get true CLED vs. OLED comparisons. less than a year to go i guess...

i'd like it if Pioneer joined the tv game again as well.
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Sony has yet to announce anything on either front. As concerns the OLED, the collaboration possibilities are certainly interesting/probable. As concerns the CLED stuff, we really will hear something about commercialization well ahead of it happening. Feel free to speculate, of course (it's AVS), but absent some kind of announcement, they still have no way to build it and there are legitimate questions about the economics. I'd love to see it, of course, as evidenced by my many posts on it after CES. But let's wait until we hear them commit some yen to the project.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working. (Oh, and plasma didn't die because of logistics problems, nor does OLED ship in big boxes because it comes from Korea.)
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i'll wait till CLEDs hit the market, then i probably will start quoting

''..why is sony even looking into that?''

''I am skeptical on CLED''

''There is just no way that they are economical''

''CLED has zero chances even for commercialization not even speaking about profits''

How about Sony doesn't have a strong LED manufacturing or R&D capability?

We talked about this on the CLED thread. I would think LED capability would be a key prerequisite of mass producing CLED. We'll soon know if this will be Sony's next-big-thing

There's reasons for skepticism if you understand the industry. But I do agree that sometimes forum opinions are casual and uninformative.

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Was Sharp doing anything with OLED development? They sold a part of their company to Hon Hai.

Weren't the Japanese companies going to be in some govt.-sponsored consortium for advanced displays development of some kind?

I think Sharp is the only Japanese company openly critical and unsupportive of OLED, and they were right 6 years ago.
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BTW, today rumors of Orbis, the successor to the PS3, which would, among other things, support 4k displays -- not necessarily render in 4k, maybe just output it in 4k.

One of their Blu-Ray players supposedly upscales to 4k? Maybe that is Sony's answer to other companies pushing for OLED, to push for 4K on existing display tech.
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4K CLED...

25 million pixels!
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i cant wait til we get true CLED vs. OLED comparisons. less than a year to go i guess...

i'd like it if Pioneer joined the tv game again as well.

There is no comparison, CLED would be superior in every way. The thing is OLEDs are available now (in limited devices) CLED was a nice FUD tech demo to give everyone the "wait for Sony" mentality. Unfortunately the "wait" part will likely end up being many years. A TV made up of millions of tiny LEDs? Cool, but only guys like Mitt Romney or Warren Buffet who make over $53,000 a day could afford one.

Unless Sony has some magic production method going I am not holding my breath for CLED.
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is anyone here intelligent enough to have thought of CLED or OLED conceptually/fundamentally? probably not since we're not scientists or engineers working for these world class companies; and yet they have...

i'll give them the benefit of the doubt when it comes to mass producing something when theyve already gotten to the point of developing a prototype.
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The idea of CLED is AT LEAST as old as since LED LCD TV. No more LCD pane, color filters and polarisers. Great cost savings.

Problem was high quality LED with wide gamut was too expensive or not available 5 years ago. And did I mention heat?

It's not a new idea.

Back to regular programming... more talks on Sony/ AUO OLED... timeline of last year or more specifically 4Q11 is inline with my previous post:
http://www.theverge.com/2012/3/28/29...ship-auo-rumor
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LG press release on E-Paper, flexible OLED:




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LG Display Begins Mass Production of World's First Plastic E-Paper Display

With advancements in functionality and design, Plastic EPD to revolutionize E-Book market

Seoul, Korea (March 29, 2012) – LG Display [NYSE: LPL, KRX: 034220], a leading manufacturer of thin-film transistor liquid crystal display, announced today that it has started mass production of the world's first plastic electronic paper display (EPD) for use in E-Books. The 6" XGA (1024x768), e-ink, plastic EPD is expected to revolutionize the E-Book market with its advancements in functionality and design.

"With the world's first plastic EPD, LG Display has once again proven its reputation for leadership and innovation with a product we believe will help greatly popularize the E-Book market," said Mr. Sang Duck Yeo, Head of Operations for LG Display's Mobile/OLED division. "Based on our success in mass-producing plastic EPD, we are excited as we look toward applying concepts from this experience to future developments like plastic OLED and flexible displays."

Innovations in Functionality and Design
The world's first plastic EPD from LG Display offers users a paper-like reading experience with a plastic substrate that is as slim as cell phone protection film, and a flexible design that allows bending at a range of 40 degrees from the center of the screen. Compared to glass EPD of the same size and resolution, LG Display's plastic EPD realizes a super slim thickness of 0.7mm which is 1/3 slimmer than existing glass EPD; as well as a weight of 14g which is more than 1/2 lighter.

E-Book users have long expressed a desire for more durable EPD, since around 10% of them have damaged their product screens from accidentally dropping or hitting them. When LG Display's plastic EPD was put through repeated drop tests, from 1.5m above the ground or the average height of reading when standing, no damage resulted. When put through a break/scratch test involving hitting the display with a small urethane hammer, no scratches or breakage resulted.

As EPD gets thinner, lighter, and more durable with the introduction of plastic EPD, E-Books will be able to offer certain unique benefits compared to smart devices and tablets, including reduced eye fatigue and more efficient electricity consumption in addition to lower prices.

A Manufacturing Breakthrough
LG Display developed a unique technique to utilize the high TFT process, typically employed in general LCD manufacturing and with temperatures exceeding 350 degrees, in the production of its plastic EPD. By overcoming the obstacles associated with applying the existing production process to heat susceptible plastic, LG Display achieved a breakthrough with the successful mass production of plastic EPD able to maintain strong durability in high temperatures.

Availability
The world's first mass-produced plastic EPD from LG Display will first be supplied to ODM companies in China, followed by completed products to be released in Europe at the beginning of next month.

Where is the color?
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^^ Wrong thread. This is the e-ink in kindle

But they're just saying the flexible plastic EPD process can be used for OLED as well.
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is anyone here intelligent enough to have thought of cled or oled conceptually/fundamentally? Probably not since we're not scientists or engineers working for these world class companies; and yet they have...

I'll give them the benefit of the doubt when it comes to mass producing something when theyve already gotten to the point of developing a prototype.

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^^ Wrong thread. This is the e-ink in kindle

But they're just saying the flexible plastic EPD process can be used for OLED as well.

Good part, they can do TFT on plastic at least somewhat.

Reality check, these are durable, impact-resistant. These are not foldable, rollable or any such thing. Nor is the technology even being touted as such.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working. (Oh, and plasma didn't die because of logistics problems, nor does OLED ship in big boxes because it comes from Korea.)
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Even if rollable, how useful would it be? For large displays, it would make shipping easier but you still would have to house the electronics somewhere.

Say there are 10-inch rollable displays. You can roll those up, put it in to a tube. Sure that's easier to carry around than an iPad. But you have to attach that flexible display to electronics to drive it. Where would that go?
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SED failed because of patent problems.

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I think navychop meant to say SED fit the description but failed anyway

There are a lot of lab products and prototypes. But that's from an R&D engineering perspective. To know whether make sense you have to ask the production engineers, and look at whether management willing to fork out the dough, ie follow the money.

I always believe conviction is highest when u put your money where your mouth is.
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Yep.

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On flatpanelshd.com, they state the 55 inch Samsung OLED will launch in the us and eu this fall.....

The model number is KN55ES9000, which is the first time I have seen a model number for the sammy oled
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What I'd like to know if there will be any smaller sized OLED TV's,it would be cheaper,which means they'd sell more, maybe a 40-42 inch in the $5000-ish range,I know I'd get one for my bed rm,any possibility?
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On flatpanelshd.com, they state the 55 inch Samsung OLED will lauch in the us and eu this fall.....

The model number is KN55ES9000, which is the fiest time I have seen a model number for the sammy oled

Samsung was probably realizing no one was taking them seriously without a model #.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working. (Oh, and plasma didn't die because of logistics problems, nor does OLED ship in big boxes because it comes from Korea.)
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OLED at CES, bright and flashy to get a wow, has anyone seen one with normal or even calibrated settings, the kind we use in our home theater?
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It just hit me to ask this—will OLED panels need a brightness control? Since these panels create black by turning off pixels completely.
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Samsung was probably realizing no one was taking them seriously without a model #.

Model number was out weeks after ces.

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