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At Samsung's CES press conference they pushed UHD and had no mention of OLED.

So nothing mentioned in the OLED TV arena from Sharp, Panasonic, or Samsung. Sony is coming up.

Oh, and Michael Bay walked off stage suddenly after they apparently had Teleprompter issues and without saying much of anything. It didn't look good.
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At Samsung's CES press conference they pushed UHD and had no mention of OLED.

And Michael Bay entered stage and started to talk about Transformers and the Samsung bendable display.............but his teleprompter text was all garbled so he promptly walked off stage again.

Hope he was handsomely paid beforehand, must have been the easiest pay in his career. biggrin.gif
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Bay could not answer a simple question on the curved screen from the director's perspective - wow.
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I think that it's perhaps a wide-angle lens used to film the guy.  So he's larger than he should be because he's closer to the camera.  Look at how very much his hand shrinks when he moves it closer to the TV.  His right hand (closest to the camera) is gargantuan by comparison.

Ah, yes, that could be it. Just thought they mistakenly looked at the 65" version
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At Samsung's CES press conference they pushed UHD and had no mention of OLED.
Wasn't there any mention of OLED at all? We've had a number of surprise product unveilings midway through a show before, but you'd think if they really *were* poised to compete with LG in this technology in 2014 they'd be more vocal about it.

I'm hoping Samsung is still set to reveal plans for flawless, giant 4K OLED sets at bargain prices in 2014 :-), but a lack of any reference at all during today's presentation would seem very troubling.

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Bay could not answer a simple question on the curved screen from the director's perspective - wow.

 

"CES 2014 live: Michael Bay stumbles, stalks out of Samsung event"

 

Oh jeez.  The poor guy.  This was a train wreck!


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Hahah, oh man that was painful.

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Wasn't there any mention of OLED at all?

I don't think Samsung mentioned OLED at all. They did show several TVs including one a flexible one that earlier reports had predicted would be OLED.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/samsung-and-lg-tipped-to-unveil-flexible-oled-tvs-at-ces-2014

so maybe it is, but I don't think they mentioned anything about OLED.



Engadget's first look at LG's 77" curved OLED. Not much there but they call it "gorgeous".

http://www.engadget.com/2014/01/06/lg-77-inch-curved-oled-tv/
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Wasn't there any mention of OLED at all?

I don't think Samsung mentioned OLED at all. They did show several TVs including one a flexible one that earlier reports had predicted would be OLED.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/samsung-and-lg-tipped-to-unveil-flexible-oled-tvs-at-ces-2014

so maybe it is, but I don't think they mentioned anything about OLED.

 

It's got to be.  I think anyway.

 

But maybe not: Here's Samsung's 85" motorized and bendable thing, including a video of it in motion.  Heck, at least it seems to go flat.

 

http://www.engadget.com/2014/01/06/samsung-85-inch-bending-tv/

 

I'm sorry, but this industry is just getting more and more ludicrous.


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So the samsung is a flexible led display, but apparently a prototype as per https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDrpW8Qk6gs&feature=youtube_gdata_player


And the LG is an actual oled http://www.engadget.com/video/5min/518075158/
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Techradar says the prize of the 77-inch LG OLED is going to be 30K:


http://www.techradar.com/news/television/lg-launches-world-s-largest-curved-4k-oled-tv-1212352
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Prize, very apt typo.
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It's very, very clear Samsung intends to do nothing of any import (at all?) to advance OLED in 2014.

LG, for its part, intends to do a something to advance OLED in 2014, though it's not clear how much.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working. (Oh, and plasma didn't die because of logistics problems, nor does OLED ship in big boxes because it comes from Korea.)
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Actually I had the pleasure to speak with Joe Stinsiano, Samsung's EVP after his press conference and he said Samsung was not ready to show the 2014 plasma or OLED line at CES, but they are in the final stages of development and by q2 or no later than q3 they will launch a mid year plasma and OLED product lines.

 

LG is very bullish on OLED and is putting a lot of resources in OLED with 4 new 2014 models that are scheduled to ship q2 '14.

 

None of these companies what to show products that are not final or capable to be mass produced.

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Actually I had the pleasure to speak with Joe Stinsiano, Samsung's EVP after his press conference

Thanks for the report. Did you discuss Samsung use of OLEDS in tablets and phones?
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Actually I had the pleasure to speak with Joe Stinsiano, Samsung's EVP after his press conference and he said Samsung was not ready to show the 2014 plasma or OLED line at CES, but they are in the final stages of development and by q2 or no later than q3 they will launch a mid year plasma and OLED product lines.

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LG is very bullish on OLED and is putting a lot of resources in OLED with 4 new 2014 models that are scheduled to ship q2 '14.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating.
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None of these companies what to show products that are not final or capable to be mass produced.

And yet they do that at CES every year, so I'm not remotely sure what this supposed to mean.
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There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working. (Oh, and plasma didn't die because of logistics problems, nor does OLED ship in big boxes because it comes from Korea.)
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Given that Samsung showed OLED at last years CES and didn't put them out until late in 2013, the fact that they didn't even mention OLED at this years CES speaks volumes to me.

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Given that Samsung showed OLED at last years CES and didn't put them out until late in 2013, the fact that they didn't even mention OLED at this years CES speaks volumes to me.

 

That might be an unwarranted extrapolation.  Different models bring with them different problems to solve.  And these problems are not all created equal.  I've been part of many engineering designs, and several where just one unforeseen obstacle derailed every demonstration by 6 months or more.


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In case anyone is keeping score, Sony didn't mention OLED in their press conference either, but they only spent a tiny amount of time on their TV business, briefly introducing their upcoming 4K line.

It will be interesting to see if they demo their full LED TV again this year.

So of the major Japanese and Korean TV producers, only LG seems to be pushing OLED in 2014. I'm not sure about the Chinese companies.
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My thought is that the "theme" of CES was to be 4K, so the focus was on the cheapest and highest volume product that can deliver it...LCD. Why promote OLED, when you can sell 4K LCDs over the next few years...and then sell those same people OLEDs with 4K in 3-4 years time. But, some say I am cynical...
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My thought is that the "theme" of CES was to be 4K, so the focus was on the cheapest and highest volume product that can deliver it...LCD. Why promote OLED, when you can sell 4K LCDs over the next few years...and then sell those same people OLEDs with 4K in 3-4 years time. But, some say I am cynical...

I would be that diabolical but I think the reality is if you put off a tech thinking you'll resell the same customers, you'll find a competitor eating your lunch by bringing it out earlier.

From what I've read, LG is pretty bad about showing vaporware at CES. Add that to LG not really being a high end company, I wouldn't necessarily want one if they were to release them.

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My thought is that the "theme" of CES was to be 4K, so the focus was on the cheapest and highest volume product that can deliver it...LCD. Why promote OLED, when you can sell 4K LCDs over the next few years...and then sell those same people OLEDs with 4K in 3-4 years time. But, some say I am cynical...

I would be that diabolical but I think the reality is if you put off a tech thinking you'll resell the same customers, you'll find a competitor eating your lunch by bringing it out earlier.

 

Yep.

 

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By vaporware, you mean prototypes that have no hope of deliverability?  All manufacturers do that.


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I would be that diabolical but I think the reality is if you put off a tech thinking you'll resell the same customers, you'll find a competitor eating your lunch by bringing it out earlier.

From what I've read, LG is pretty bad about showing vaporware at CES. Add that to LG not really being a high end company, I wouldn't necessarily want one if they were to release them.
To be clear...I didn't say "put off", I said "promote". I am sure both companies will release OLEDs in 2014, albeit in small volumes and to very few customers. It's possible to steer customers to one product, but still have both "on the shelves".
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TCL showing a 55" curved OLED screen at CES; http://www.engadget.com/2014/01/07/tcl-curved-4k-oled-tvs/
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TCL showing a 55" curved OLED screen at CES; http://www.engadget.com/2014/01/07/tcl-curved-4k-oled-tvs/

The way I read the article, it's flat, not curved.
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Goodness people will probably buy it thinking they are getting a good deal too.

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I would be that diabolical but I think the reality is if you put off a tech thinking you'll resell the same customers, you'll find a competitor eating your lunch by bringing it out earlier.

From what I've read, LG is pretty bad about showing vaporware at CES. Add that to LG not really being a high end company, I wouldn't necessarily want one if they were to release them.
Is Samsung really that much more of one (and just because their plasmas suffer less from ABL doesn't make it so tongue.gif)?

Concerning vaporware, LG misses lots of target dates in comparison to their PRs, but they did finally get around to releasing their flat 55" OLED last year even if it was in limited markets. I think a marketing decision obviously came into play between last year's CES showing and the arrival of the curves over the summer in the US. I hope they stay on track to right that wrong this year with the flat 55".
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The company to watch is Vizio. Their full lineup of LCDs with dense local dimming, sizes up to 120 inch and high diynamic range technology may challenge OLED on PQ.
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The Vizio will be crap against OLED. Poor picture electronics, banding, blooming, halos, poor viewing angle, DSE. Even 384 dimming zones is less than the 512 from Toshiba ZL1 and that was only a 55". That's ordinary LCD tech and not a miracle and the 120" will not be cheap. You forget what the 110" by Westinghouse costs?

http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/09/westinghouse-110-inch-4k-hdtv/

And all big manufactures now called their old dimming tricks with LD-LED or LD-EDGE-LED "High Dynamic Range XYZ Feature". Even the "new" wide color gammut features aren't new. WCG-CCFL, RGB-LED, xvColor exists since years.

There is only one real innovation in display Technology after Pioneer Kuro and the Sharp XS1 and that's OLED. I was a big LD-LED-LCD supporter but c'mon OLED is so much better than this.

Back to OLED. There are OLED-TV's from Samsung at the CES:

http://samsungces2014.com/close-bendable-oled-tv/
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Back to OLED. There are OLED-TV's from Samsung at the CES:

http://samsungces2014.com/close-bendable-oled-tv/

Wow, that's a Samsung-sponsored website so presumably it is accurate. That means the flexible TV displayed at the press conference was OLED. Nice!
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