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NO NEW MODELS FOR 2014/2015 FROM SAMSUNG?

http://www.digitalversus.com/tv-tele...15-n34724.html
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NO NEW MODELS FOR 2014/2015 FROM SAMSUNG?

http://www.digitalversus.com/tv-tele...15-n34724.html
Not much new in that article.

However, I am interested in this concept of the TCL's of the world coming up with their own OLED design. It was laughable at one point, but I keep hearing word of this stuff online and am wondering if the world will very soon be past the "gotta rebrand the LG" phase.

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It might take years to work out all these BUGS with these OLED TV's

I will wait until they do.
LOL LCDs still have a lot of "bugs" like flashlighting, clouding, and a big etc. and you are bothered by the bugs found in a new tech.
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4K should be marketed in a 70" 100" market because the market would recognizably demand such displays. Recognizing the issue with larger current LED displays, one understands there's a vaccum of error to bring home a 70" that fits wonderfully on any wall only to find out that in order to enjoy that large screen size one requires to sit 9+ feet away from their set.

IMO the whole point of a larger display is to sit close to the set, not everyone has the living space to enjoy +15 feet of viewing area.

4K solves the vaccum caused by this anomoly.

If a higher pixel desnity can allow such viewing areas with 6 ft @ 90" display then that would be a step in the right direction.

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The S5 screen is amazing. It's less clear the new tablets are as good.
A datapoint on the quality of the Tab S display. Samsung Display says that the 10.5" version has been tested by UL and shown to be 100% Adobe RGB accurate (this is in the translated text).

http://blog.samsungdisplay.com/752

During the Tab S introduction, I believe that they claimed greater than 90% Adobe RGB accuracy, so I can only assume that the 8.4" version doesnt quite 100%. Hopefully, Displaymate gets a chance to test both versions in fairly short order.
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LOL LCDs still have a lot of "bugs" like flashlighting, clouding, and a big etc. and you are bothered by the bugs found in a new tech.
You see the problems some are having with these new OLED's.. that's why it's always BETTER to WAIT three or four generations before buying this new technology....

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You see the problems some are having with these new OLED's.. that's why it's always BETTER to WAIT three or four generations before buying this new technology....
For me worse problems are LCD's blooming, flashlighting, poor black color and of course the worst of all: edge lits. I will no doubt buy the second generation 2014 LG OLEDerfect black colors, perfect contrast, better motion than LCDs, better colors.
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It might take years to work out all these BUGS with these OLED TV's

I will wait until they do.

You may be correct, even with the BUGS, they Smoke any LCD/LED made. In 15 years all the bugs are still in LCD/LED panels to some extent, the world of the perfect TV's will never exist.
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For me worse problems are LCD's blooming, flashlighting, poor black color and of course the worst of all: edge lits. I will no doubt buy the second generation 2014 LG OLEDerfect black colors, perfect contrast, better motion than LCDs, better colors.
Ditto
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You see the problems some are having with these new OLED's.. that's why it's always BETTER to WAIT three or four generations before buying this new technology....
Nothing more exciting than being the first. Same with 4K set owner, although 2014 models dropped in price and improved slightly, I bet you the 2013 buyers had a little more excitement being the first.
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Nothing more exciting than being the first. Same with 4K set owner, although 2014 models dropped in price and improved slightly, I bet you the 2013 buyers had a little more excitement being the first.
I hear you...I was very excited too when I got my first LAY at 9 years old .
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So I'm reading(amazon and other online retailers) that the new panels will at least have some improvements over the 2013 ones, like 10 bit, 240hz, wall mounting capabilities. Hopefully other improvements will be included as well, especially improving uniformity, ir etc.
Has anyone pre-ordered or is thinking of buying the new 1080p model once it arrives?
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http://www.displaysearch.com/cps/rde...nd_quality.asp

Not sure how to interpret that data. Supposedly people value picture quality above everything else yet the market is flooded with poor quality LCD panels.

At least this shows that consumers have zero interest in curved so that trend will likely be very short lived. They also don't care much for 3D, OLED, or UHDTV.
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Straight from a LG Display blog, yields have hit 80% and it seems we can expect price cuts of 30% to 40% in Q4.

https://translate.google.com/transla...%2F&edit-text=
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BOE produces sample 55" 4K OLED TV panels at their Gen-8 pilot line in Hefei

http://www.oled-info.com/boe-produce...lot-line-hefei


Do any of you have any other sources that have reported this? I would like to have some further confirmation, just to make sure that it is not just another vapor rumor.
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OLED doesn't require backlit or edgelit tech (which adds to the cost every year).

*Here's an OLED review LG'shttp://www.techradar.com/reviews/aud...articleContent

4K OLED!
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BOE produces sample 55" 4K OLED TV panels at their Gen-8 pilot line in Hefei

http://www.oled-info.com/boe-produce...lot-line-hefei


Do any of you have any other sources that have reported this? I would like to have some further confirmation, just to make sure that it is not just another vapor rumor.
BOE definitely showed a 55" 4K OLED at SID, but OLED-Info had previously speculated that this was supplied by LG Display. That never really made much sense. BOE is a panel supplier and the specs on the television were worse than the other sets using LGD's OLED panels. The only real question I had was whether BOE had used a Gen 8 pilot fab or a Gen 5.5 one....this report seems to confirm that the sets were made using a Gen 8 facility, though there is no source cited.

It is a long way from a first demo to real production, but it looks like BOE has taken the first step.
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Is is possible for an OLED display to be built with a matte finish and not the super smooth and reflective glossy glass?

It isn't that OLED isn't plenty sharp, it's the smoothness of glass and lack of a textured look and crispness that bothers me.
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http://www.displaysearch.com/cps/rde...nd_quality.asp

Not sure how to interpret that data. Supposedly people value picture quality above everything else yet the market is flooded with poor quality LCD panels.

At least this shows that consumers have zero interest in curved so that trend will likely be very short lived. They also don't care much for 3D, OLED, or UHDTV.
To quote Dr. House: "Everybody lies." Or they are ignorant. Mostly that, I suspect. People have no idea what good picture quality is. They tolerate almost anything. That's why I'm not bullish on picture quality selling TVs. It never really has.

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Straight from a LG Display blog, yields have hit 80% and it seems we can expect price cuts of 30% to 40% in Q4.
So, first, obviously good news assuming the translation says what it seems to say.

Second, price cuts on what? On the unannounced, unpriced models? Or are you saying the 55-inch existing models are heading below $3000?

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working. (Oh, and plasma didn't die because of logistics problems, nor does OLED ship in big boxes because it comes from Korea.)
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I'm waiting on the "FLAT" 8K OLED's to come on the market by 2020 and be done with it !

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There was a panel discussion at CE Week today. OLED was discussed from around the 26 minute mark. LG's Tim Alessi:

The successor to the 55" 1080p set will be rolled out nationally within the next 30 days at $4999.
The 65" and 77" UHD sets will be available in 3rd quarter.
Expanding distribution to more outlets and selling all the OLED TVs they can make at current prices while expanding production.
Lifetime is equal to current plasma models with no uneven aging due to WRGB system.

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There was a panel discussion at CE Week today. OLED was discussed from around the 26 minute mark. LG's Tim Alessi:

The successor to the 55" 1080p set will be rolled out nationally within the next 30 days at $4999.
The 65" and 77" UHD sets will be available in 3rd quarter.
Expanding distribution to more outlets and selling all the OLED TVs they can make at current prices while expanding production.
Lifetime is equal to current plasma models with no uneven aging due to WRGB system.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MW1389JVPjQ

Thank you for the information
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I still don't think LG understands what they are talking about with respect to uneven aging, sorry.

The rest sounds great, though. (Well, the $5000 55" 1080p set doesn't sound exactly great.)

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working. (Oh, and plasma didn't die because of logistics problems, nor does OLED ship in big boxes because it comes from Korea.)

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I hear you...I was very excited too when I got my first LAY at 9 years old .
Egads, sounds like something out of Brave New World.
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Egads, sounds like something out of Brave New World.
He's not talking about potato chips?
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There was a panel discussion at CE Week today. OLED was discussed from around the 26 minute mark. LG's Tim Alessi:

The successor to the 55" 1080p set will be rolled out nationally within the next 30 days at $4999.
The 65" and 77" UHD sets will be available in 3rd quarter.
Expanding distribution to more outlets and selling all the OLED TVs they can make at current prices while expanding production.
Lifetime is equal to current plasma models with no uneven aging due to WRGB system.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MW1389JVPjQ
I guess we have the explanation on why Amazon has been out of stock for two weeks. The sets started selling fairly well when prices hit $3999, but all of those vendors are out of stock and prices are back up to $4999.

I am a little disappointed in what seems like a lack of a 4K model at 55". Assuming that the 30-40% price cut applies to the starting price on the 1080p model, we would see $3000-$3500 lists prices by the end of they year. That would probably allow sales/online retailers to be well below $3000. Very good prices, but I'd still like to see a 4K version.

Are they really selling everything they can make? That is impressive if true. I think the latest dates reported on the owners thread have March build dates. Not sure how that compares to the normal lag time from build date to sales.
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The VE Shootout will have LG's new 55" 1080p EC9700 which has higher dynamic range and extra brightness than the current model. The LG OLED and last years winner Panasonic plasma are the only two included that are less than 79". The date is tentatively July 19-20 unless they can wait for another model they are hoping to include.

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That's nutty. Might as well have bypassed the 55" OLED altogether and used the more equitably sized 77-incher. Oh well, onward to the reviews.
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Are they really selling everything they can make? That is impressive if true.
Not at $5K. The Micro-Center stores have sold 0 since they returned to MSRP pricing.

At $4K, Fry's usually sells a couple each week. That's similar to what you observed at Amazon. I think if they can get the MSRP pricing down to $3K, they will easily sell whatever they can produce.

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That's nutty. Might as well have bypassed the 55" OLED altogether and used the more equitably sized 77-incher. Oh well, onward to the reviews.
The 77" is not available and I doubt they want to postpone the shootout indefinitely. But I agree that having such a huge size discrepancy is going to bias the results. It's just unavoidable and human nature to favor larger screens. Maybe they could position the larger TV's farther from the audience so they all appear the same size?
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LG is reportedly increasing their investment in OLED production beyond the capacity coming on line next quarter.

LG Display to increase their OLED TV capacity in a new $788 million investment

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LGD is still constructing its $650 million Gen-8 M2 OLED TV production line, but the company's CEO announced yesterday that LGD will invest a further 700 billion Won (over $788 million) to increase the capacity of that fab to 34,000 monthly substrates (up from 26,000).

There's more info in this article also: http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/tech/2014/06/133_159850.html
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