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LG is preparing to start operations of its M2 line, which could produce up to 26.000 OLED panels per month when fully operational.

The M2 line is an 8th generation line, meaning it cuts 2,200x2,500m substrates into panels. The larger the glass substrate, the less waste material produced, meaning LG will cut costs in making panels. The M2 line will produce 55-, 65- and 77-inch panels.

At maximum output, the two lines will produce as many as four times more OLED panels per month than currently possible, though LG will likely moderate production speed to balance it out with demand. Higher output will dramatically reduce the costs of producing OLED panels.
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LG says their not-yet-released bendable 77" OLED was a CES 2015 Innovations Award honoree in the Video Displays category. The details of the awards will be announced at CES in January.

http://www.lgnewsroom.com/newsroom/contents/64772
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LG says their not-yet-released bendable 77" OLED was a CES 2015 Innovations Award honoree in the Video Displays category. The details of the awards will be announced at CES in January.
http://www.lgnewsroom.com/newsroom/contents/64772
Heh, it even deserves Gimmick-Nobel prize: LG’s 77-inch flexible 4K OLED TV allows viewers to adjust the degree of curvature depending on the size of the audience or type of content being viewed. This advanced 4K OLED TV automatically optimizes sound and picture quality to match the degree of curvature.(!)
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Not everything is rosy in the OLED kingdom.


http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/11...ntum_dot_next/


According to the abovementioned article and the rumors I have been propagating since the summer Samsung have almost officially admitted to ditching OLED for TVs for good.


I don't know much about what is going on inside of LG, but my high-placed peeps at Samsung have been saying that OLED is nothing, but a pipe-dream (howbeit, I believe they meant that OLED was a pipe-dream with their manufacturing tech when they said things like this) and it will never supplant LCD in TVs since the spring...


I hope LG can prove them wrong and wipe their eye

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Already noted on this thread.

Samsung: No new oled tvs next year
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The history of OLED has been 99% speculation, 1% fact and 0.1% production.
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The history of OLED has been 99% speculation, 1% fact and 0.1% production.
From the brief demo I saw, OLED obliterates current LCD technology. In my opinion, it probably always will. And for reference, I still like my Pioneer Kuro more than any LCD on the market.

Unfortunately, most people don't care about quality. They want bigger/brighter/more eye catching. Reference/realistic colors aren't what the general public wants, and now what drives profitable sales. Everyone bowed out of plasma because it wasn't as profitable. No one ever said it didn't look better.

I've got my fingers crossed. Hopefully LG can be the next high quality display. If they can make it more affordable, so much the better.
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They want bigger/brighter/more eye catching. .
The good news is that OLED has that in spades, though currently it technically isn't quite as bright as LCD, but I imagine everything else makes up for it.

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The history of OLED has been 99% speculation, 1% fact and 0.1% production.
....and 100% bad math. :-P
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Yes, it's true that color does not exist in the physical universe: it exists only in the brain. But this doesn't mean that one person can see blue internally as yellow and that another could see it as red. The reactions and recognition of colors is neurological in nature. Once it occurs there isn't yet another evaluation that takes place. Blue looks to me as blue in precisely the same way it does to you, by definition.
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Quite the opposite of "elitist" wish-fulfillment

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...And LGD is committed to making the most of its lead. The company is making its OLED panels available to Chinese set-makers, so look for companies such as TCL and Hisense to lead the way with relatively low-cost OLED-TVs next year. – Ken Werner
http://www.display-central.com/subsc...anels-forward/
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....and 100% bad math. :-P
Yeah, but the future of OLED starts only now when lines are finally stamping bambillions of panels at dizzying speed .
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....and 100% bad math. :-P
Mathematically speaking, the "additional" 0.1% has to be included due to the huge and on-going amount of vapourware that has occurred from the very earliest beginnings of OLED technology, and this thread is testament to that fact.
Think of it as a quantum mechanical effect that is necessary to make the mathematical equations work and fully account for reality, which maintains the best traditions of science and AVS.
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Kateeva announces a new ink-jet based OLED encapsulation system

Source: http://www.oled-info.com/kateeva-ann...anys-president

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Kateeva unveiled a new mass production flexible OLED thin film encapsulation (TFE) system based on their ink-jet technology. The YIELDjet FLEX can enable cost-effective encapsulation deposition, and Kateeva says that the first mass-production system will ship to a customer in Asia later this month. This customer is probably Samsung Display (which recently invested in Kateeva), but this is not confirmed.
This article includes an interview with Dr. Conor Madigan, Kateeva's President and Co-founder. Here's one of the questions/answers:

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Q: When do you see inkjet-printed displays or TVs on the market?
We believe the first mass-production lines could be installed in 2016, so 2017 is a real possibility.
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It is a google translation but this article makes it sound like M2 has begun operations.

https://translate.google.com/transla...type%3D1%26MLA
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It is a google translation but this article makes it sound like M2 has begun operations.

https://translate.google.com/transla...type%3D1%26MLA


I can't make head or tail of the "google-translation" and I don't know Korean ( do you know Korean because if you do and you say that this article states that M2 has been put into commission I'll take your word for it) so
let's hold our horses until we get a confirmation in English language.

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Its worth noting that the 55EC930V just saw a price drop from 2999 pounds to 1999 pounds in the UK. This is at major UK retailers and doesnt look like a one-off sale.

The price drop coincides with the longest period of available stock at Amazon and the likely start up of the M2 fab. I think it is possible that whatever was slowing down the product ramp at LGD has been solved and that they will get back to the more aggressive pricing that looked likely over the summer.
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That's $3,134 in U.S. dollars.

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That's $3,134 in U.S. dollars.
That includes a 20% VAT and usually, US pricing is still cheaper even after you discount the VAT.

For example, the Samsung 55HU8550 sells for $1799 at Best Buy while the UK version is 1999 pounds. The Panasonic 58" 800/802 model is selling for 1999 pounds in the UK vs. $2000 at Best Buy.

For some reason, LG's OLED pricing hasnt quite followed this pattern, but I would put the equivalent pricing below $2500 in the US.
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This is another article about Kateeva and flexible displays
I doubt this will have much impact on oled tv production in the next couple of years since flexibility doesn't seem to be the biggest obstacle to production or adoption, but it might make flexible displays for the consumer more of a reality in the, well, maybe not near future, but the not too distant future.

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Its worth noting that the 55EC930V just saw a price drop from 2999 pounds to 1999 pounds in the UK. This is at major UK retailers and doesnt look like a one-off sale.
As we now know, it actually is a special price until December 17th. After that it'll return to the old price, though of course who knows for how long. I doubt that it has anything to do with the new fab. Too early for that IMO.
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As we now know, it actually is a special price until December 17th. After that it'll return to the old price, though of course who knows for how long. I doubt that it has anything to do with the new fab. Too early for that IMO.
It looks like they added the dates after I posted. It isnt the new fab that would be driving this but the fact that they finally have overcome whatever issue was causing such low supply of the 55EC9300. Best Buy has had consistent inventory since the end of August but this past week was the first time that Amazon has also had units through a whole week. I think that there is a direct relationship between the increased supply and the sale price in the UK.
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If that's the case then it hasn't reached Germany yet. Amazon has been out of stock for more than a week now. Same for other big retailers. Price still pretty high.
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It looks like they added the dates after I posted. It isnt the new fab that would be driving this but the fact that they finally have overcome whatever issue was causing such low supply of the 55EC9300. Best Buy has had consistent inventory since the end of August but this past week was the first time that Amazon has also had units through a whole week. I think that there is a direct relationship between the increased supply and the sale price in the UK.
Is there a 2K OLED planned for 2015 I wonder? Or is everything 4K by marketing necessity?

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Samsung-Backed Kateeva Heralds Curved & Flexible OLED TV

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/katee...1411213954.htm

"Samsung could be on the verge of re-entering the OLED TV race following an announcement from startup Kateeva that it’s perfected a new process of making the displays. Kateeva says its method will allow for the production of flexible OLED displays that can conform to almost any size and shape, without sustaining any damage.........
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Just another reason to wait another year. Sounds very promising.
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