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When there are commercial agreements (or an 'alliance') that have been executed, that will be news - being 'in the works' or 'trying' phase is not...
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I have been shooting down the idea of Apple moving to OLED for years, but it is at least a possibility now.

1) LGD is a possible 2nd source. They are supposedly planning on building a Gen 6 fab with a capacity around 15,000 substrates a month. The lion's share of the Apple supply would come from Samsung's A3 fab.

2) The power consumption of the OLED in the S6 is lower than the iPhone 6 up to APL levels of 65%. Wikipedia is around 83% so many webpages would actually be lower than that. I dont think it is unreasonable to think that even the average web browsing session would have a lower power consumption on OLED by next year. Any mixed content user (apps, video, web browsing) would likely already benefit from an OLED.
I think this is directionally correct, but my suspicion is 2015 OLEDs (the ones that Apple would actually qualify for iPhone 7 in 2016) aren't going to have a power advantage. That said, the ones that would go into iPhone 7S might well have such an advantage. So we're looking at a scenario under which power maybe breaks even in 2016 and by 2017 is now working in OLED's favor.
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3) This is impossible for the iPhone 6S, but capacity could be in place for the iPhone 7 in the fall of 2016.
Yes, and we're also at the point where Apple can to an extent "backup source" the whole thing depending on visibility into the future. In 2016, a ton of the product line will still be iPhone 6 and 6S, which will remain LCD-based. There might even be a substantial amount of iPhone-5 class stuff sold depending on whether Apple creates a $350-400 tier that it has offered briefly in India in the past. That means they won't be cutting off LCD suppliers and could -- if OLED supply proves unworkable -- backpedal 6-9 months out.

There also exists the possibility of starting with just OLED on the phablet but not the "regular" flagship iPhone.
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The pieces look like they are falling in place but it is all pretty tenuous rumors right now. Nothing from sources that have proven trustworthy on Apple in the past (WSJ, Ming-Chi Kuo).
WSJ, actually, has a somewhat abysmal track record. They did get the two screen sizes right after being wrong so many times that only selective memory could call their track record good. Ming-Chi Kuo is certainly strong (albeit imperfect). Interestingly, Digitimes -- whose record is abysmal -- mighlyt telegraph something here because one area they seem to have decent sources is display chatter.

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Cost would be comparable or perhaps cheaper. Samsung is claiming cost parity with LTPS LCD this year.
And one imagines Samsung moving marginally ahead as the decade closes, based on the assumption that OLED remains relatively immature and should have some room to roam. Plus, there is some backplane gain they might yet obtain.
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I think the advantages would be all of the general reasons people want the highest quality displays....better pictures/video/gaming and lower power consumption. The iPhone 6 has a great display so it isnt going to be revolutionary but Apple rarely gives up an edge when it comes to using high-quality components.
This is why I believe they've ended the rhetoric -- never mind the watch has a freaking OLED and bashing OLED becomes really silly in that context. They have to know the Galaxy S has a better display than their phone. They aren't dumb.

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Culture question. Certainly an oversimplification, but is there a visceral dislike of Samsung within Apple? I remember that there was some major shifting at one point to Sharp when relationships apparently went sour---is that at least part why they've held off of Samsung's take on AMOLED to date? Or have I remembered this backwards?
There is detente right now. Most lawsuits have gone away. One issue that could torpedo all this however is the Samsung S6. It's back to ripping off Apple's design in some pretty profound ways. Do they matter? I'd say no. The back looks different enough to be clearly Samsung and not Apple. The bottom, however? And to an extent the front of the non-Edge models... Apple's Samsung haters are surely livid.

How about this for a theory: The worse the S6 sells, the more Apple is willing to buy from Samsung. The better the S6 sells but doesn't hurt Apple, merely other Android, the more Apple is willing to buy from Samsung -- but only to a point. If the S6 sells really well, hurts Apple, restores Samsung's profit luster... Apple doesn't buy 150 million OLEDs from Samsung.

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Samsung has emphasized their status as a component supplier much more over the last year and I dont think the relationship between the two companies will be a big barrier to the adoption of OLED's. The question is whether Apple wants to use OLED's and whether there can be enough capacity to supply the iPhone in place by the fall of 2016.
Really, by the spring of 2016. While iPhones don't get built until summer, the component deals are locked and loaded in the prior year. And if the display capacity isn't guaranteed to be online by spring, there can't be a deal.

This is how we can guarantee there is no OLED in the iPhone 6S, but consider one for the iPhone 7. It's already beyond too late for the 6S.
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There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working. (Oh, and plasma didn't die because of logistics problems, nor does OLED ship in big boxes because it comes from Korea.)
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Apple has a love hate relationship with Samsung. They love to hate them. They'll even sue them. Then they turn around and keeping using Samsung as a supplier.
There's a word for that in the otaku fanbase - "tsundere".
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"LG SET TO LAUNCH AN HDR-CAPABLE OLED TV IN 2015"

http://www.digitalversus.com/tv-tele...15-n40443.html
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It looks like LG has begun a full fledged branding campaign for OLED's. I probably saw their commercial a half dozen times yesterday during the tournament.
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"LG SET TO LAUNCH AN HDR-CAPABLE OLED TV IN 2015"

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I thought this year's OLED is already HDR capable. (Meaning the ones coming out now)
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I thought this year's OLED is already HDR capable. (Meaning the ones coming out now)
There's conflicting information on this and no firm answer. It's discouraging.
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Display technology that cried wolf.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/03...g_fad_oled_tv/

Sorry if this has been posted elsewhere.

Notable parts include:

-M2 facility claims to produce 26,000 substrates per month?
-Pulling plug on LED LCD R&D next year.
-As of yet, LG doesn't have any HDR OLED solution, although it's certain to make a pronouncement of some sort at IFA.
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-As of yet, LG doesn't have any HDR OLED solution
This makes it sound like they don't have the ability to make an HDR OLED at all currently, which we know isn't true since they showed a prototype display at CES.
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This makes it sound like they don't have the ability to make an HDR OLED at all currently, which we know isn't true since they showed a prototype display at CES.
Not 'match ready' was the comment from the article.

The statement regarding M2 is almost certainly a misunderstanding. Is should be at 26,000 substrates per month by the end of the year, but is almost certainly at only 6000 per month today.

If LG truly drops all R&D investments into LCD starting in 2016, that is a significant development and reason for a bit more optimism regarding the future of LGs WOLED initiative...
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Even if they produce the HDR displays, would the content have to be filmed and mastered to display HDR?
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I saw a LG OLED TV commercial yesterday during the mens basketball tournament. Good sign in that they likely wouldn't have aired it unless they had inventory in the pipeline.
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This makes it sound like they don't have the ability to make an HDR OLED at all currently, which we know isn't true since they showed a prototype display at CES.
There's always a difference between what you see at CES and reality.

Years ago Sony dazzled us all with a Crystal LED 55" (using LEDs and not OLEDs). It even got the CES equivalent of "best in show". There wasn't a chance they could produce it IRL....having it at CES doesn't mean that it's even remotely possible.

Dazzling demos are meant to be dazzling demos, and that's about it.
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If you believe you can win an argument by stating that scientists "often" get things wrong, all you're doing is selectively ignoring the overwhelming legion of things they have gotten right. Viewed as an aggregate, scientists very very rarely get things wrong.
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I saw a LG OLED TV commercial yesterday during the mens basketball tournament. Good sign in that they likely wouldn't have aired it unless they had inventory in the pipeline.
Not necessarily true. Ad budgets are created months in advance. LG wants to get the 'buzz' out for OLED displays and there's no better place right now than the men's NCAA tourney. Basically, "Go see our OLED 9300 on the end cap at a Best Buy near you!" LG is also a corporate sponsor of the tourney, so, there's that. It's great to see the OLED ads, that's for sure. You have to let people know they exist before they buy them, right?
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Will they make a non-curved display at some point? REALLY dont like that style at all.
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Will they make a non-curved display at some point? REALLY dont like that style at all.
Yes, they'll have a 65" flat, not sure on the 55" (I think a flat on that too). The 77" can be either curved or flat, you push a button on the remote.
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Yes, they'll have a 65" flat, not sure on the 55" (I think a flat on that too). The 77" can be either curved or flat, you push a button on the remote.
77 is either curved or FLEX, no flat flat.
Curved 25K, FLEX 35K..
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77 is either curved or FLEX, no flat flat.
Curved 25K, FLEX 35K..
I believe that flex goes to flat flat, so once it does that, pull the "flex" button out of the remote with a pair of pliers.

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I believe that flex goes to flat flat, so once it does that, pull the "flex" button out of the remote with a pair of pliers.

Yes lol but only what u desire is flat u should not have to pay for double gimmicks over FLAT. Let's see flat 77 cost 15k then curve $25k and FLEX FOR 35k


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