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post #12361 of 12371 Old 08-27-2015, 08:23 AM
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> Apparently their OLED page is still alive and well. Why?

The copyright date on that page is 2013.
I'm not saying that it's not an old page. I'm sure it was created when they had aspirations for the S9C, etc.

What I'm asking is why they're keeping it accessible when the phrasing is clearly making it sound like a real product.

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Samsung new transparent large OLED is targeting the retail industry allowing window-shopping, customers to get information about a product displayed on the other side of a transparent OLED “window”. Customers can also try on outfits through virtual reality, and see how they would look from all directions.

Samsung will reveal new products using smart signage that will realize futuristic smart shopping at the IFA 2015, in Berlin. A special space will be set up so that the visitors can experience smart shopping through smart signage solutions such as transparent OLED and smart LED signage.

Samsung’s transparent OLED will be revealed for the first time at the IFA. It has a transparency ratio of 45%, which is the highest in the world, and full HD resolution. Samsung display expects to increase transparency to over 50% in the near future.

Samsung has dedicated its 8.5 Gen pilot line to this application, so even though the panels are 55” in diagonal, they are built with LTPS and patterned RGB using FMM; and are bound to be expensive.

http://www.oled-a.org/news_details.cfm?ID=1019
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I'm going to guess $30,000.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working. (Oh, and plasma didn't die because of logistics problems, nor does OLED ship in big boxes because it comes from Korea.)
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Panasonic TV chief: OLED televisions will be affordable in 2-3 years.

http://www.cnet.com/news/oled-will-b...onic-tv-chief/

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Panasonic TV chief: OLED televisions will be affordable in 2-3 years.

http://www.cnet.com/news/oled-will-b...onic-tv-chief/
"The TV boss expects that if panel suppliers can improve their yield ratios -- that is, the number of OLED panels produced that are fit to be put into TVs, rather than scrapped -- prices will drop dramatically. "Last year, the panel suppliers' yield was very, very low level" Shinada said. "But currently this ratio is now growing.""

This is a very different story than we have been hearing from LG.

If the panel yield is already at 75%, the most than panel costs can be reduced through improved yield is 33% lower.

More realistically, if yields can only get to a max of 90% and not 100%, cost reduction potential through yield improvement will be no more than 17%.

Any I don't know what yield level Shinada considers 'very, very low', but there have not been any numbers/statements thrown out by the OLED panel manufacturers that jibes with that description since Samsung pulled out of the OLED TV game a year and a half ago .

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Panasonic has announced an OLED TV. It's more expensive than the LG.

http://www.cnet.com/products/panasonic-tx-65cz950/
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If the panel yield is already at 75%, the most than panel costs can be reduced through improved yield is 33% lower.
There are really several aspects to "yield". If the yield is low then they won't be running the line of full utilization rates or even at full throughput rates as they will slow down and stop to try to resolve problems to increase yield. It's clear LG hasn't been running at full capacity with their initial line. This has a higher impact on OLED than it does for LCD because OLED has higher fixed costs (depreciation of equipment) and lower per unit labor and materials costs. The higher throughput, higher utilization means the depreciation is spread out over more units. In addition, of course, to the strict yield impact you cited.
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Except that only a truly idiotic accountant would be taking the depreciation cost of a fab that is running at part utilization in an early year and attribute those costs to the COGS of a panel and then price it accordingly. So I'm sorry, but I don't buy that has anything logical to do with current pricing.

It's much more logical to conclude that, in fact, the variable costs are accounting for current high pricing.

If depreciation was being built in this way, we'd see LCDs produced at fully depreciated fabs having prices lower than other LCDs. And we don't.
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There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working. (Oh, and plasma didn't die because of logistics problems, nor does OLED ship in big boxes because it comes from Korea.)
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With OLED's, material efficiency is a large portion of the bill of materials cost. Vapour deposition only results in a small portion of the material ending up on the display. A combination of increased yields and material efficiency will continue to drive down the cost of the panels.

If you want to see where 4K HDR OLED prices are headed, simply look at the pricing on the new 55" 1080p set. There are very few differences in the bill of material costs between the two. It is mostly a matter of yields and the margins that LGD/LGE is looking to generate between the various sets.
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"The TV boss expects that if panel suppliers can improve their yield ratios -- that is, the number of OLED panels produced that are fit to be put into TVs, rather than scrapped -- prices will drop dramatically. "Last year, the panel suppliers' yield was very, very low level" Shinada said. "But currently this ratio is now growing.""

This is a very different story than we have been hearing from LG.
Maybe that's because what Panasonic considers an acceptable panel is very different from what LG considers suitable for sale. I wonder how much of the high cost of the Panasonic model comes from using higher grade (better uniformity, less dead pixels, etc.) and thus lower yield panels. I guess we'll know when they go on sale if the average panny is any better than the average LG.
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^ Well said. I have the same thoughts.
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