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I would be very cautious predicting the availability and price of future products. Prices often end up much different than predicted. And look at all the people who said 50 years ago that the idea of computers at home made no sense, would be way to big and could never be affordable anyway. Technologies sometimes do strange things and people's desire for them can take strange turns.

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I could see a dolby atmos wall mounted short credenza where the 77, 82, 98 rolls up in front of your family portrait or picasso. all speakers hidden inside the credenza including the atmos top shooting bouncies.
Why stop there. How about a screen that's so thin and large that you can make it the same color as your wall is painted with a family portrait being displayed in the middle. Then when you want to use it for a movie, a much larger surface would be used.
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Why stop there. How about a screen that's so thin and large that you can make it the same color as your wall is painted with a family portrait being displayed in the middle. Then when you want to use it for a movie, a much larger surface would be used.
Good point but lets not forget the audio the ole is just 51% of the experience, although i am pretty sure that the OLED being so thin can pass low frquencies right through the screen up to the mid frequenciesd that leaves the other frquencies over 6khz.

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Why stop there. How about a screen that's so thin and large that you can make it the same color as your wall is painted with a family portrait being displayed in the middle. Then when you want to use it for a movie, a much larger surface would be used.
Yes, this would be your contribution to global warming. Turn on all your appliances for 24 hours a day... Sorry but I keep wondering about the "thoughtfulness" of Americans in dealing with energy (SUVs, ice-cold-restaurants in summer etc.)
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Has this been posted? Looks like some new OLED models (2015-11-19) have been wifi certified:
https://www.wi-fi.org/product-finder...companies=1341

65G6Y
65G6T
65G6V
65G6P
65G6K
77G6Y
77G6T
77G6V
77G6P
77G6K

Strange names, placeholders?
Wow, G6 was indeed the real name. YTVPK just different markets, as speculated.

E6 not wifi certified yet.
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Why stop there. How about a screen that's so thin and large that you can make it the same color as your wall is painted with a family portrait being displayed in the middle. Then when you want to use it for a movie, a much larger surface would be used.
This effect is pretty cool if you have seen something like the video wall at Comcast in Philly.
Similar to what they do on those projected displays they do on the sides of buildings for an exhibition.
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Long interview, but an extensive talk about the positioning of OLED with somebody from LG UK.


One very big data point (1 min 40 mark), LG went from 4% of the >1500 pound market in the UK in 2013 to 8% last year to nearly 40% in November.

40%!

That is despite still selling for a substantial premium to Samsung's SUHD televisions.
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Long interview, but an extensive talk about the positioning of OLED with somebody from LG UK.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY1U4HB2FQE

One very big data point (1 min 40 mark), LG went from 4% of the >1500 pound market in the UK in 2013 to 8% last year to nearly 40% in November.

40%!

That is despite still selling for a substantial premium to Samsung's SUHD televisions.
"ABCD"

A = Angles
B = Blacks
C = Contrast
D = Design

Not bad. LG seems to be feeling their moxie and appears to finally have some effective marketing teed-up (all built upon the fact that they are executing well and firing on all cylinders technically ).
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Is this the year I'll purchase an OLED TV?

I'm not sure. But the options are looking compelling and the prices will be within reach by fall and some reviews should be out by then as well.

http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...2T09OvUZf0E.97
http://www.cnet.com/products/lg-65e6/

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I've been gone for quite a while. Is Image Retention much of a topic in OLED threads these days?
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I've been gone for quite a while. Is Image Retention much of a topic in OLED threads these days?
No.
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I'm really curious to see what the pricing on the 65" B model ends up being.

$3K will be an instant purchase, and $4k will be a likely one, assuming that the video quality matches up with the old EF9500 models.
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I'm really curious to see what the pricing on the 65" B model ends up being.

$3K will be an instant purchase, and $4k will be a likely one, assuming that the video quality matches up with the old EF9500 models.
It's mildly interesting to me that you brought this up. I am in a weird position that while I very much wanted to wait until 2017-8 to buy, if there were a 2016 OLED from OLED with a $3000 price, I could be enticed to buy it now and then wait until 2019-20 to get the bigger one. (I no longer believe the bigger one will be remotely affordable in 2017 and there is a real chance it will still be stupidly priced in 2018.)
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I'm really curious to see what the pricing on the 65" B model ends up being.

$3K will be an instant purchase, and $4k will be a likely one, assuming that the video quality matches up with the old EF9500 models.
The 65 inch B model is the one that is available for $7k preorder? That's going to drop to $3000?
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The 65 inch B model is the one that is available for $7k preorder? That's going to drop to $3000?
No, the B series is the low-end one that they have yet to announce pricing for.

The $7k model was the high-end.
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No, the B series is the low-end one that they have yet to announce pricing for.

The $7k model was the high-end.
Just to be clear, the $7K pricing was for the mid-range model (which is the only model with an MSRP currently).

High-End: G6 (kitchen-sink including folding Soundbar and ultra-thin)
Mid-Range: E6 (same but conventional Soundbar -$7000 MSRP)
Curved-Base: C6 (not ultra-thin 1/10" thick but 1/4" thick, curved)
Base: B6 (1/4" thick, no 3D, as well as no Soundbar like C6)
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Are the panels the same, with same brightness, same support for HDR but the differences are the sounders?
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Are the panels the same, with same brightness, same support for HDR but the differences are the sounders?
The G6 and E6 are ultra-thin OLED-on-glass panels which are 1/10-inch thick, for whatever that is worth.

The C6 is the same 1/4-inch curved-panel design as the current EG9600 and ditto for the B6 and the flat EF9500.

All of the actual OLED panels are supposed to be identical, with new phosphors for 99% DCI-P3 and 540 cd/m2 brightness at D65.

All 2016 models are supposed to share all of the same OS and a Smart TV features including new WebOS 3.0, and Dolby Vision HDR (in addition to Open HDR already supported on 2015 EG9600 and EF9500.

The C6 shares all the remaining features of the EG9600 including 3D and sound.

The B6 shares all of the similar features of the EF9500 but has eliminated 3D (with no visible increase in brightness yet, so this is likely just a 'dumbing-down' of 3D capability already built in that LG elected to disable for marketing reasons, meaning to get customers wanting flat and 3D to pay up for the E6 ).

The E6 has 3D and has a removable Soundbar with connections and electronics built into the TV housing.

The G6 also has a Soundbar (premium Harmon Kardon variety ), but it is integrated within a One-Connext-Box-like companion accessory that houses all of the electronics and TV connections. It doubles as the stand in TV-stand mode but can fold back against the back of the for wall mounting. There is some nifty way the Soundbar is supposed to be front-firing in either configuration, but honestly, this is a solution looking for a problem to solve (especially at the expected price premium over the E6 ).

What folks on AVS care about should be identical a cross the full line-up, the exceptions being the curve of the C6 and the fact that LG elected to withhold (or disable ) 3D on the B6.

The 65B6 will almost certainly break below the $4000 barrier by next Holiday Season and there are hopes it may approach $3000 by the thick of Black Friday frenzy.

The 65E6 has an MSRP of $7000, which is a $1000 premium over the current MSRP of the 65EF9500, but since most 65EF9500s were purchased recently at promotional prices in the $4000-5000 range, the expectation is that street pricing for the 65E6 will be at least $1000 lower than this and probably at least $2000 lower by the a Holiday shopping season.
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Thanks for the run down.
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Yes, this would be your contribution to global warming. Turn on all your appliances for 24 hours a day... Sorry but I keep wondering about the "thoughtfulness" of Americans in dealing with energy (SUVs, ice-cold-restaurants in summer etc.)
Seeing as how 7 out of 10 in the US are overweight we need something to move us around and we need to stay cool somehow We have a lot of extra insulation!

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I hope prices continue to drop. Going to be an interesting year with PC monitors coming out as well.

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I'm looking to upgrade my aging LG 720P 50" Plasma to a 65" tv. Viewing angle is an issue, so I am really hoping to go with OLED, but my budget tops out at an absolute max of around $3500. I just keep hoping that by some miracle the B series comes in that low. Beyond that I'm thinking about going the cheap route for now with a Vizio M series and just dealing with it for a few years until OLED comes down under $2k for a 65". I just hate taking a step backwards in terms of contrast and viewing angle. It seems like we are in a place of major transition technology wise. It's frustrating.
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I'm looking to upgrade my aging LG 720P 50" Plasma to a 65" tv. Viewing angle is an issue, so I am really hoping to go with OLED, but my budget tops out at an absolute max of around $3500. I just keep hoping that by some miracle the B series comes in that low. Beyond that I'm thinking about going the cheap route for now with a Vizio M series and just dealing with it for a few years until OLED comes down under $2k for a 65". I just hate taking a step backwards in terms of contrast and viewing angle. It seems like we are in a place of major transition technology wise. It's frustrating.
It's been frustrating since the $3000 65-inch videophile-quality plasma left the market in 2014 or so.

Good news for you is I don't see $3500 as a miracle. I see it as quite possible, at least in 2H2016.
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I'm looking to upgrade my aging LG 720P 50" Plasma to a 65" tv. Viewing angle is an issue, so I am really hoping to go with OLED, but my budget tops out at an absolute max of around $3500. I just keep hoping that by some miracle the B series comes in that low. Beyond that I'm thinking about going the cheap route for now with a Vizio M series and just dealing with it for a few years until OLED comes down under $2k for a 65". I just hate taking a step backwards in terms of contrast and viewing angle. It seems like we are in a place of major transition technology wise. It's frustrating.
If you can hang tight until November, I think the odds are better than not that you will be able to find the B6 within your budget. Keep close tabs on CP - he tends to have rock-bottom prices early on.

In case the B6 doesn't hit your pricepoint or OLED continues to suffer from bleeding-edge growing pains, camping out with an M60 for a year or so is a good backup plan - close to $900 in this month's Super Bowl specials and if the viewing angles and the occasional local-dimming artifact (halo/bloom) are something you can't live with, it will probably retain well over half it's value when OLED finally becomes attractive to you.

The Vizio FALD LED/LCD is going to offer effective contrast ratios that at least match and probably exceed what you are getting on your LG Plasma (once properly calibrated ).

Unless extreme off-angle viewing is a very important consideration for you, my guess it that between 50"->60", 720p->2160p, dumbTV->smartTV (i.e. Netflix/Amazon streaming), and the superior black bars and contrast ratio, after taking the plunge on an M60, you will probably feel you have gotten such an enormous upgrade that you will be good for many years (by which time OLED should be ready for the masses ).
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. . . (I no longer believe the bigger one will be remotely affordable in 2017 and there is a real chance it will still be stupidly priced in 2018.)
This is so depressing.
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This is so depressing.
If it makes you feel any better, he did use the word 'believe' - I mean, some people believe that the concept of climate change is a "liberal media conspiracy".

My point is, don't let other people's beliefs get your own down when none of us really "know" anyway.
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Except that anybody can look at fossil records and other historical climatological evidence and see that climate change is a real thing. Many have also tried to predict what's coming and have also failed, including when OLED TV would achieve mainstream status.
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fafrd you are a very smart tech guy. Can u read this article at sciencedaily
Do you think a technological breakthrough similar to this can bring plasma back
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0111135229.htm
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If it makes you feel any better, he did use the word 'believe' - I mean, some people believe that the concept of climate change is a "liberal media conspiracy".

My point is, don't let other people's beliefs get your own down when none of us really "know" anyway.
I'm not sure what this means. All beliefs are created equal? For instance, you can't be dubious of (nor even contrast in the same sentence) a physicist's belief system regarding quark spin just because some folks have a belief system including Big Foot existence and Mikey dying of pop rocks.

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