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It is kind of weird samsung having no OLED TV product, being a loser next to LG, turning that into something like ''we are skipping OLED''. Aside from that sony has a CLEDIS product, samsung has nothing...not even demonstrated a QLED prototype. One wonders were the mighty LCd manufacturer is heading
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Hopefully, blowing all their load on marketing and approaching bankruptcy for trying to force the curve abomination on the impressionistic masses.
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Hopefully, blowing all their load on marketing and approaching bankruptcy for trying to force the curve abomination on the impressionistic masses.
It's too bad that they were held back by the physics that @rogo explained, because the OLED they use in their mobile devices is really outstanding IMO.

However, with the disclosure that I hate the curve anyway, the Samsung curve really does seem atrocious to me. I sit and watch part of a movie in BB/Mag and I simply cannot see anything but a bowtie.

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Some Samsung news.

http://english.etnews.com/2016052420...ff&ctp=article

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It's too bad that they were held back by the physics that @rogo explained, because the OLED they use in their mobile devices is really outstanding IMO.

However, with the disclosure that I hate the curve anyway, the Samsung curve really does seem atrocious to me. I sit and watch part of a movie in BB/Mag and I simply cannot see anything but a bowtie.
As a Galaxy 6 Edge owner, I agree, but LG 2016 is damn close, especially when accounting for a screen that is 13 times bigger.
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Technically LG started the curve via their OLED displays, but as one said, LG's curve is much less aggressive and is actually useful for close-up use (like how several PC gamers are using the C6 model as a monitor).
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To my surprise, it's actually about as clear as mud who started it: http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-th...urved-oled-tv/

Glad it's reaching its end nonetheless.
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Both LG and Samsung are pushing OLED heavily at Display Week. Samsung is only showing off smaller sizes though. LG has large OLEDs on display. They have a very curved, nearly 180 degree concave curve, 65" OLED on display, but most are flat. Nearly all the display manufacturers are showing off OLEDs and flexible OLEDs, again only smaller size.
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This thread is 10 years old today. According to some of the predictions on the first page, the blue lifetime issues were on the verge of being solved in 2006. Some other predictions, particularly Rogo's, were much more realistic. But now we're finally seeing the hopes and hype of 2006 becoming reality.
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I dont think waiting 4 years for QLED to come to the market (and then wait for the kinks to be worked out) is worth it:

http://www.oled-info.com/samsung-rep...-qled-tvs-2020
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Of course it isn't. Life is short.
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...when samsung succeeds with QLED within four years they earned the right to call LG OLEDs OLD TVs
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...when samsung succeeds with QLED within four years they earned the right to call LG OLEDs OLD TVs
In this industry 4 years ago is almost ancient history....
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In this industry 4 years ago is almost ancient history....
We see what happened with the 2012 sony prototype. It took them four years to come up with a product and it is not a TV. Samsung does not even has a prototype at this point...
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This thread is supposed to be about OLED TV technology advancements. Not about Samsung's non OLED technology advancements.

This just in: Generalisimo Franco and Samsung OLED TV are still dead.
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Question Burn-in/Image Retention on 2016 OLED Televisions?

Guys, forgive me for asking a question, as I am sure it has been addressed before.

I have been waiting for my local BB to get an 65' E6. Friday I dropped by to take a look. Have to say the 4K sample stuff looks incredible! But was surprised when the salesperson tried to steer me away from the OLEDS. He took me over to an LG OLED from last year to show that infamous burin-in. I could see everything in that picture such as wording, various lines, and logos. Plus the color in the middle of the screen appeared to have yellowing.

He told me he would stay away from the OLED technology due to the burn-in and image retention issues. He went on further to say that they only sell 1 or 2 OLEDs a quarter, and that most of them come back. He then pointed me to Sony's flagship LED the 65X930D, which had very impressive picture quality. He was quick to point out the NIT levels between the LED vs OLED technologies, gives the the LED superior brightness and contrast. His words not mine.

My question: is anyone having these issues on their 2016 models? I told the guy I am certain LG has made tremendous strides in the technology over the past year, and I would have to consult this forum before I went any further.

Sorry to be so long with this post, but buying an OLED is a major purchase. In my experience individuals on the site have a wealth of experience and information on these subjects, and I wanted to get your take on this. Thank you!

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Guys, forgive me for asking a question, as I am sure it has been addressed before.

I have been waiting for my local BB to get an 65' E6. Friday I dropped by to take a look. Have to say the 4K sample stuff looks incredible! But was surprised when the salesperson tried to steer me away from the OLEDS. He took me over to an LG OLED from last year to show that infamous burin-in. I could see everything in that picture such as wording, various lines, and logos. Plus the color in the middle of the screen appeared to have yellowing.

He told me he would stay away from the OLED technology due to the burn-in and image retention issues. He went on further to say that they only sell 1 or 2 OLEDs a quarter, and that most of them come back. He then pointed me to Sony's flagship LED the 65X930D, which had very impressive picture quality. He was quick to point out the NIT levels between the LED vs OLED technologies, gives the the LED superior brightness and contrast. His words not mine.

My question: is anyone having these issues on their 2016 models? I told the guy I am certain LG has made tremendous strides in the technology over the past year, and I would have to consult this forum before I went any further.

Sorry to be so long with this post, but buying an OLED is a major purchase. In my experience individuals on the site have a wealth of experience and information on these subjects, and I wanted to get your take on this. Thank you!

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HI Steve,
It is in the realm of possibilities that oled can get burn in. The problem lies when stores have an oled as a demo and they run all day 7 days a week the same video loop. LG has a compensation cycle built in oled tv's that correct image retention. That compensation cycle only runs when the TV is correctly power of by remote control or the power button. Sometimes stores will flip a switch and shutdown displays all at the same time. That would never let LG'S oled run a compensation cycle.

Led tv's do currently have greater light out put and get brighter than current oled tv's. But suffer from worse black levels. Lcd led tv's still have poor viewing angles that colors wash out and turn grayish. I would consider Sony 940d there flagship as it is true fald back lit display. The 930d is edge lit I believe.

I do believe the 2016 OLEDs are better than there predecessors. Little to no yellowing, no vignetting black edges and better screen uniformity. I haven't read of users who are having burn in difficulty on any alarming rate scale. It's safe to say that if you use it for tv and movies it's a safe bet you'll never have to worry about it.

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The 930 is an edgelit panel with a laughably inferior contrast to OLED. The numbskull doesn't know what he's talking about. I implore you to find one owner complaint about burn-in; heck, you can conduct a subforum search for the same topic. Again, these panels are subjected to abuse in retail environments especially when they are not allowed to shut down properly (and instead shut off at the mains) and engage their automated compensation cycles. This is beginning to sound like plasma FUD, but I have to admit LG needs to provide some retailer education since I have also seen this in-store personally on several occasions. Get one home and use it like a typical consumer (shutting it down via remote every 4 hours or so, or even at the end of the day), and there are ZERO problems. Football season last year resulted in no ill long-term effects on the EF9500, and I would regularly have it on for the entirety of game day (Sunday).

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Aside from ''compensation cycle'' the LG OLED also dims the picture after 105 sec of static image to further minimize risk of image rendition and screenburn. So it should be not much of a problem. What i want to know is what happens when there are no compensation cycles (not turn off TV) and no dimming (can be disabled)?
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Thumbs up Thanks!

I knew you guys who currently have OLEDs would know. I have been doing research on this site, and have not seen a post about the issues this guy was talking about. I am kind of curious why the BB employee would try to steer me away from the LG vs the Sony. Just have to wonder how much some of these guys know about what they are selling. The guy told me the flagship for Sony is the 930D, but now I know that it is the 940.

I am leaning toward the E6, but am a little anxious of current issues I have been reading about. One post I thought was interesting was the poll done concerning the # of owners that have experienced the intermittent white flashes on the 2016s. The last time I looked there were more than twice as many owners who had experienced that issue than not. Now, if you buy the television from a BB (or some other brick and mortar store) returning it is not a problem however, due to price, taxes etc., I would buy from an on-line retailer, and it would be much harder to address any issues at that point.

I bought my current 50" Pioneer PDP-520HD plasma set 5 years ago after doing much research on this very site, and have never regretted it. I bought it on-line from Invision Technologies and have never regretted it. In fact it still has 6 months left of the CPS extended warranty. It's an absolutely beautiful set, but my old eyes are just getting to tired, and so I have decided to move on up to a 65" display.

Just want to say the knowledge base on AVS is second to none. You all do a great job getting information out there, and holding the hands of those of us who are not well versed in the tech. I really appreciate that...

Thanks again guys for your feedback! I am going to wait a month or so and see what the pricing does.

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Waiting might also have the secondary benefit of seeing if LG can get to the bottom of the white flash phenomenon. It occurs very infrequently as is.
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Guys, forgive me for asking a question, as I am sure it has been addressed before.

I have been waiting for my local BB to get an 65' E6. Friday I dropped by to take a look. Have to say the 4K sample stuff looks incredible! But was surprised when the salesperson tried to steer me away from the OLEDS. He took me over to an LG OLED from last year to show that infamous burin-in. I could see everything in that picture such as wording, various lines, and logos. Plus the color in the middle of the screen appeared to have yellowing.

He told me he would stay away from the OLED technology due to the burn-in and image retention issues. He went on further to say that they only sell 1 or 2 OLEDs a quarter, and that most of them come back. He then pointed me to Sony's flagship LED the 65X930D, which had very impressive picture quality. He was quick to point out the NIT levels between the LED vs OLED technologies, gives the the LED superior brightness and contrast. His words not mine.

My question: is anyone having these issues on their 2016 models? I told the guy I am certain LG has made tremendous strides in the technology over the past year, and I would have to consult this forum before I went any further.

Sorry to be so long with this post, but buying an OLED is a major purchase. In my experience individuals on the site have a wealth of experience and information on these subjects, and I wanted to get your take on this. Thank you!

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I have a feeling that the salesperson gets a larger commission for selling a Samsung than an LG.
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Except it was Sony to which he steered him and not Samsung. Sony doesn't have the deep advertising pockets that the latter does.
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I stopped in at BB recently and much to my surprise the salesperson steered me away from OLED saying they were getting a lot of returns. BB displays OLED with content that emphasizes blacks and display LED with content that emphasizes colors. The sales person told me of OLED issues but not LED issues like motion and off center viewing. My impression is that their salespeople have an agenda to push certain products.

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I wonder if the OLEDs that BB has in stock in any numbers are the 2015 models. Those did have some problems that prompted a fair number of returns. So, saying OLEDs often get returned may be reasonably accurate for the 2015 models. As for the 2016s, I doubt that they have as many of those available to sell as they do Sonys. So it may be a matter of pushing what's readily available in stock rather than models (i.e., OLEDs) that are fewer on the ground and may well be out of stock or not yet available. Just speculation, of course, but it seems plausible to me.
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I wonder if the OLEDs that BB has in stock in any numbers are the 2015 models. Those did have some problems that prompted a fair number of returns. So, saying OLEDs often get returned may be reasonably accurate for the 2015 models. As for the 2016s, I doubt that they have as many of those available to sell as they do Sonys. So it may be a matter of pushing what's readily available in stock rather than models (i.e., OLEDs) that are fewer on the ground and may well be out of stock or not yet available. Just speculation, of course, but it seems plausible to me.
Great insight, and very possible! Due to cost I will probably buy from and on-line retailer, and in fact have talked to Chris at CP. Haven't talked about return policy though. The nice thing about a BB purchase is they are local, and you can send one back literally no questions asked. Not sure how the on-line retailers work that...

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With CP you only have 24 hours to return if there is shipping damage. Otherwise you have to deal with LG. That's one way he achieves rock bottom prices.
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Some of this is old news, but some might find the suppliers' perspectives interesting.
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