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On monitors it keeps the screen synced with gpu output. It is going to be included in the hdmi 2.1 spec for tv's.

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Some in the 2016 LG OLED motion settings thread said that the TV already does this.

Just to be clear, by syncing the refresh rate, we mean that if the TV is receiving a 24 Hz signal, it will set the TV's refresh rate to 24 Hz.

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Some in the 2016 LG OLED motion settings thread said that the TV already does this.

Just to be clear, by syncing the refresh rate, we mean that if the TV is receiving a 24 Hz signal, it will set the TV's refresh rate to 24 Hz.
I mean whatever the gpu puts out or if it fluctuates due to stress/heat. I think it is intended for people who are maxing out their fps (past 60 but short of 120) and this syncs the monitor and gpu ie: your setup hits 85 fps but dips here and there to 80 fps. In theory it should work to sync all the way down to 24p (24 fps?).....

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The key is that variable refresh rates are just that - variable. If your GPU outputs at 85fps one second and then drop to 54fps the next, then a VRR display will simply refresh at 85Hz for the first second and then automatically switch on the fly to 54Hz for the next second.

Even if one does not go any gaming, it can still be useful as a way for guaranteed support of less standardized frame rates. A good example is that the traditional PAL refresh rates (25Hz and 50Hz) have hit-and-miss support in places like North America, and you commonly have to make a custom resolution to access the likes of 25Hz and 50Hz. But a custom resolution still may not work to provide PAL refresh rates, particularly if it's a North American-only brand like Vizio.

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First image is what you see normally; second image is with the TV moved out of the way. You can't tell, but both fans were actually moving when the photos were taken as the computer was on. I could do a better job with cable management, but the cables are normally out of view as seen in the first image.

The USB cable in the front connects to an out-of-sight hub that includes the wireless mouse & keyboard, power for the fans (5v), and a wifi adapter. The white plug on the left is the DisplayPort to HDMI adapter. The purple cable on the left and in the back is the HDMI cable that is plugged into the DisplayPort adapter. The yellow/red/black cable on the left is a splitter for the fans so that I could power them from a single port. The black cable in the very bottom left is just a micro USB to full-size USB cable for anyone that wants to connect their phone, and the silver/grey device also in the very bottom left is just a card reader. The red cable in the very back is the HDMI cable from my receiver. The thin grey cable on the right is for a Wii sensor bar. The silver/grey metal-looking thing in the top right is part of a rail that the entire wooden platform is on so that it can easily be pulled out and/or angled to one side.
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First image is what you see normally; second image is with the TV moved out of the way. You can't tell, but both fans were actually moving when the photos were taken as the computer was on. I could do a better job with cable management, but the cables are normally out of view as seen in the first image.
Thanks for this. Hats off for DIY approach. I like it. I don't think I could live with exposed fans. I think I'd at least mount a grill over them. Have you thought about that? Sorry for the offtopic.

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Hats off for DIY approach. I like it.
This sort of DIY-ing is par for the course for me and computer electronics - you end up learning these kinds of things when you're a total computer geek but you don't have the luxury to spend money (financials aren't issue anymore, but this DIYed HTPC was put together before then).

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I don't think I could live with exposed fans. I think I'd at least mount a grill over them. Have you thought about that?
Never thought about it because, as you might be able to tell in the first image, the top of the fans are hidden behind/below the bottom of the TV itself, and there's no reason to pull the computer out as the only things you ever really need access to (the power button and front USB parts) are readily accessible anyway. To clarify, the second image is with the TV swiveled nearly 90 degrees (which is an unwatchable angle due to cabinet side-"wall" seen on the left in the second photo) - the computer has not actually moved (as it's sort of wedged in, moving the computer is actually considerably more difficult than simply swiveling the TV out of the way).

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This could be a fly in LG's WOLED expansion plans: https://www.oled-info.com/south-kore...line-guangzhou
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Two articles about the competition between OLED and QLED.

Samsung and Sharp are going to push adoption of 8K because QLED's have been unable to compete with OLED's at similar price points.

https://displaydaily.com/article/152...than-you-think

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However, Samsung had a bad Q2 with its QLED LCD TVs - sales were said to be significantly down between Q1 of this year and Q2, while OLED sales were up. The word on the street from those tracking the market in detail is that at the same price points, Samsung's arguments over colour volume and brightness are just not persuading buyers to buy from them. It's the fantastic black level and contrast of OLED that is winning the sales.

and Samsung is going to introduce a 49" and 55" Q6 in the fourth quarter because they need to cut prices to compete with the 55" OLED's.

http://english.etnews.com/20170922200002
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Two articles about the competition between OLED and QLED.

Samsung and Sharp are going to push adoption of 8K because QLED's have been unable to compete with OLED's at similar price points.

https://displaydaily.com/article/152...than-you-think




and Samsung is going to introduce a 49" and 55" Q6 in the fourth quarter because they need to cut prices to compete with the 55" OLED's.

http://english.etnews.com/20170922200002
I don't own an OLED, but I stop in to this forum every once in a while...

It looks like OLED did it, huh? Became mainstream enough to be here to stay. Nice!
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I don't own an OLED, but I stop in to this forum every once in a while...

It looks like OLED did it, huh? Became mainstream enough to be here to stay. Nice!
Yes, it has done it. Now comes the Valley of Death. Fortunately, that Valley is shallow-ish for LG.

Unfortunately, Samsung is going to spend many millions marketing against burn in.

We will see how LG responds.

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Without reviewing this enormous thread, is there any news/rumors in the pipeline for mass market OLED larger than 65" for 2018? I'm looking for excuses to upgrade a perfectly good 65VT30 to something that has at least as good of a picture and does 4K and one of the only arguments my wife will buy is if we can get an even larger screen without having to sell a kidney to do it.
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Without reviewing this enormous thread, is there any news/rumors in the pipeline for mass market OLED larger than 65" for 2018? I'm looking for excuses to upgrade a perfectly good 65VT30 to something that has at least as good of a picture and does 4K and one of the only arguments my wife will buy is if we can get an even larger screen without having to sell a kidney to do it.
70 something inch OLED at a reasonable price?
2018 highly unlikely
2019 unlikely
2020 likely
2021 more likely

So really 3-4 more years. By then there will be lots of UHD material available, HDR10+ will be out and the kinks worked out, HDMI 2.1 will have been out for awhile, the HDMI handshake issues folks are having now will likely be less annoying, OPPO may have introduced their 2nd gen UHD BD player...all in all if you want a more seamless upgrade 2020 will be a better time frame.

On the flip side. There is a lot of great UHD BD material now and prices have already dropped, if you can find a deal on an OLED (<$2000) after Thanksgiving you could be enjoying some great UHD now and then wait till 2022 to get an even less expensive 70plus inch OLED, OPPO players hold their value so you could sell one to get newest model that supports the latest HDR/HDMI/HDCP.

The problem I'm having is that going from a 60inch to a 65inch isn't much of a size upgrade and for you its not a size upgrade at all.

I'm waiting
  • To see how low prices get after Thanksgiving,
  • For more stability of the OPPO player inputs
  • For UHD streaming devices to mature
  • For more money in the bank

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Is HDR10+ getting some major headwinds of support? Unless you're contemplating a TV from Samsung (who doesn't manufacture OLEDs), I don't see the value in targeting it.
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