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post #241 of 254 Old 09-22-2009, 07:19 PM
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I had an ln46a650, and many blurays had this "on a set" look that really detracted from the films. I also noticed a lot a juttering on panning shots as well as in game motion. My pn58b550, which I paid roughly the same for $1700 USD shipped 3 months ago and has a night and day difference when it comes to motion handling. The IR is still problem, as occasionally you will see a USA or etc in the bottom of the screen for a few minutes. Gone also is the "On a set look". Off angle viewing is much better also. I am not happy that my ln46a650 got a cracked screen when I moved, ruining it forever... but I initially bought the plasma simply for the hard glass screen, I didn't know the other claims were very true.

I have not done a direct comparison with LED, but as with most newer technologies, it will not come into its own for several years. I would have to recommend a good plasma for the time being. My next AV purchase will be a projector however, but I see myself still enjoying my plasma for years to come.
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As a happy plasma owner for 5 years with my Pioneer 433cmx I have been looking for an upgrade but nothing has turned my head until reading that D Nice has praise for the upcoming Samsung 8500 led.Yes its expensive but if it equals the Kuro for black levels,has no buzz which Leds do not and the colors pop and the 240 motion control keeps it in check this might be the new flat panel to rise to the top of the heap.

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As a happy plasma owner for 5 years with my Pioneer 433cmx I have been looking for an upgrade but nothing has turned my head until reading that D Nice has praise for the upcoming Samsung 8500 led.Yes its expensive but if it equals the Kuro for black levels,has no buzz which Leds do not and the colors pop and the 240 motion control keeps it in check this might be the new flat panel to rise to the top of the heap.

That would be nice but unfortunately a glossy screen is likely to kill it as a choice for many people. It really would be nice if Samsung offered matte and glossy screen options. Having a matte screen option could bring in sales that would otherwise be lost to Sony.
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As a happy plasma owner for 5 years with my Pioneer 433cmx I have been looking for an upgrade but nothing has turned my head until reading that D Nice has praise for the upcoming Samsung 8500 led.Yes its expensive but if it equals the Kuro for black levels,has no buzz which Leds do not and the colors pop and the 240 motion control keeps it in check this might be the new flat panel to rise to the top of the heap.

OK, I guess I will finally weigh in on plasma. I have owned (early on, of course) CRT's and loved 'em. Then I owned various LCD's (primarily Sony, followed by Toshiba) until deciding to "try" the latest Panasonic v-10 series plasma...si don't pronounce me a "fanboy" of anything in particular !
I decided to try Panny and the plasma primarily due to the "different and difficult" seating positions we acquired in a new home (a second home). We have a need to sit at 45 degree angles off from the face of the tv unfortunately. Unlike ANY of the LCD's, we get a magnificently crisp view ANYWHERE. But more important, pay attention to numerous test studies done on motion blur w/ LCD's. The Panny plasma is almost rock solid-same with motion. So that razor-sharp LCD that I enjoyed static, becomes VERY reduced in lines of resolution discernable with motion of say hockey. football, etc.
Bottom line...PLASMA easily gets my unbiased vote (at least the Panny V-19 series.
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I understand your position but this 8500 is suppose to be something completely different.Im going to definitely have to view and spend a lot of time with this model and read as many reviews before i buy.I just want to get the wow factor back into my viewing as happen when I bought my 433 plasma

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I don't know about "completely" different. It seems that it's essentially a thinner A950 with significantly more LED zones (a very good thing!) but it's certainly too early to declare it a revolutionary panel rather than an evolutionary one. It remains to be seen how it performs under scrutiny with regard to viewing angles, motion handling, picture uniformity, and dark room-viewing; amongst other things.

It appears that the 8500s have started to ship already, so we should be hearing and seeing a lot more soon.
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I saw the new Sharp (7000?), and it has a shiny plastic screen (just like a plasma). The contrast was pretty impressive with what appeared to be excellent viewing angles (minimal degradation of contrast off-axis). Blooming seemed to be relatively under control, but shadow detail seemed to be a problem.
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No matter what they do the 8500 is still and LCD unit with all it's baggage. The back lighting was never a real issue as far as I was concerned, it's just the easiest thing to hype up and distract from the real issues LCDs have.
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No matter what they do the 8500 is still and LCD unit with all it's baggage. The back lighting was never a real issue as far as I was concerned, it's just the easiest thing to hype up and distract from the real issues LCDs have.

except that local dimming LED sets improve contrast to plasma levels (or very near) and the scanning backlight that the sets use improve motion resolution to 1080 lines. The biggest fault of LCD is the viewing angles and price, but this doesn't bug me as i don't have seats 90 degrees off center anyway, and i could afford it. And i find the "bad" viewing angle on the xbr8 over exaggerated. Colors do fall off, but not until the screen is obscured by the angle itself. On the a950, however, viewing angle does fall off quickly. Apparently the 8500 may have improved viewing angles from the use of more LEDs, but only time will tell. In very dark scenes, blooming is sometimes witnessed on the A950, but i've never seen it on the xbr8.

BTW last year the A950 and XBR8 were both rated as equal or greater than every plasma other than the pioneers in PQ. Despite what you say, the local dimming technology is improving lcds picture quality by quite a bit.
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Here's a great read on the subject....

http://www.techradar.com/news/televi...to-know-637079

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thank you for somehow finally finding an answer to my question as to my plasma's "dithering" as you call it, when stepping close to my Samsung PN50B650 (which is NOW the 2nd highest rated hdtv on cnet). on my old hdtv sony rear projection lcd i could see the faces of people in the stands in a basketball game -- on my new plasma, when you step close to the screen, the turn into inkblots. wolfi
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There are a few different types of LEDs available in the market - Full-Array LED TV, Edge-Lit LED TV (without local dimming); Edge-Lit LED TVs (with local dimming) and so on.

Local dimming is a technology which allows certain zones of LEDs to be dimmed or brightened corresponding to the image on the screen. If the image on the screen demands that certain areas be dark, then the TV can automaticall dimm the LEDs in that area of the screen. The end result is a very crisp image.

Plasma on the other hand doesn't need local dimming, because each pixel itself in plasma is a light source, whereas LED TVs need a light source.

I feel both Plasma and LEDs have its own advantages and disadvantages. Anyhow, the answer to you question, in short is LED TVs with local dimming has crisp image. If you are going for LED TV, Full-Array, will be a good choice. Full-Array LED TVs have local dimming capability.


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The major advantage plasma has at this
point is viewing angle. This won't likely
change either. If you want a display that looks/
performs as much like a "big flat direct view CRT"
as possible, get a pdp.

For clarity, "led" sets are still LCD displays--
they use led for local dimming.
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