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post #991 of 1468 Old 11-24-2008, 02:15 PM
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I'd go with the 1080p model simply because of the slightly higher contrast glass. It may or may not be noticeable in the real world, but since the difference is only $90 you might as well. On the other hand, if you are worried about power consumption, go with the 720p model.

Edit: I just realized you wrote TH42PZ8. Did you mean TH42PZ80, or is this some new Black Friday model I don't know about? If the latter, then I'd look carefully at the specs and see what's different from the PZ80.

Well, here's the PZ8 and here's the PX80... I alredy considered the PZ80 but it's out of my budget.

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Well, here's the PZ8 and here's the PX80... I alredy considered the PZ80 but it's out of my budget.

Btw, you're really helping me buddy, thanks! :-)

Yeah we don't get the PZ8 here in the states. Looks like it's got one less HDMI port than the PX80 and loses the SD card slot also. So you have to decide what matters more to you. Knowing the feature differences now, I'd probably go with the PX80.
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When the last 720 set is produced will the 720 lovers kill themselves or retreat to the standard DVD forum and join the 480 lovers?
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I am looking to buy my girlfriend an XBox and a TV that will work well for her with it. Her vision is poor, though 'correctable', but will continue to deteriorate. Not usually an issue for images but text can be a real problem. With the computer, we have have multiple monitors. She uses one with a low resolution and can always zoom text easily with Firefox.

I already got her the Xbox. We have a 'standard' TV and and on screen text is very hard to read even for me frankly; quite small text to start with, and it seems to me that the Xbox makes it worse.? She can't read the on-screen instructions and prompts which is very frustrating. So, plan B is to buy a new HDTV. Looking at a 42", but wonder if the the 'lower quality' 720p is going to be a much better choice for her situation than getting the 1080p?

What can I do to get Xbox on-screen game text large enough on the TV that she can get the most enjoyment, even at a cost of graphics quality for me. Had not counted on this issue, but the text situation is a real problem.
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Guys,

I sit 9' from the screen and can fit, at most, *some* 46" screens inside my armoire (which I'm not replacing). Will I see a benefit from 1080p at this distance from a 46" or should I just pick up a 42" 720p set and call it a day at a much lower price?

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Guys,

I sit 9' from the screen and can fit, at most, *some* 46" screens inside my armoire (which I'm not replacing). Will I see a benefit from 1080p at this distance from a 46" or should I just pick up a 42" 720p set and call it a day at a much lower price?

Thanks!

Similar question... Most of my viewing is from 720p Bell ExpressVu satellite. Is it worth going to 1080p on a 50-inch screen sitting at 10 feet? At the store, it seemed that the 720p sets did a cleaner job than the 1080p. How expensive of a receiver could upscale the 720p to 1080p to look better?

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I live in a small apartment where 32 inch would be the perfect fit.

Would appreciate your suggestions/opinions on the following
1. Should i go for 720 or 1080p ?
2. Samsung or Sharp Aquos. which one should i go for.
3. I am not planning to buy Blue ray disc player for atleast one or two years.
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ah...decisions..decisions...Great discussion .. thanks everyone for sharing!!

I am torn between getting a larger size or getting higher resolution. I am sticking with the Panasonic plasma TVs, will be sitting 9.5 feet away from the screen and my delimma is:

50 inch 720p TV (TH-50PX80U) or
46 inch 1080p TV (TH-46PZ800U)

or drop down in size and go:
42 inch 1080p TV (TH-42PZ80U) or
42 inch 720P TV (TH-42PX80U)

Because I am stuck with getting it from only 1 source (the old store credit card) - I have only those options to choose from and I am trying to get the most bang for the buck. I know the 46" 1080P is the best solution out of all of them but I would be really stretching my budget and probably shouldn't get it (but...). I just wonder at 9.5 feet - if it makes a difference or just go with 720P and save that money. And at 9.5 feet - is 42 small? I currently have a really old first generation 46 inch Toshiba I am replacing.

Any suggestions? Thanks.
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ah...decisions..decisions...Great discussion .. thanks everyone for sharing!!

I am torn between getting a larger size or getting higher resolution. I am sticking with the Panasonic plasma TVs, will be sitting 9.5 feet away from the screen and my delimma is:

50 inch 720p TV (TH-50PX80U) or
46 inch 1080p TV (TH-46PZ800U)

or drop down in size and go:
42 inch 1080p TV (TH-42PZ80U) or
42 inch 720P TV (TH-42PX80U)

Because I am stuck with getting it from only 1 source (the old store credit card) - I have only those options to choose from and I am trying to get the most bang for the buck. I know the 46" 1080P is the best solution out of all of them but I would be really stretching my budget and probably shouldn't get it (but...). I just wonder at 9.5 feet - if it makes a difference or just go with 720P and save that money. And at 9.5 feet - is 42 small? I currently have a really old first generation 46 inch Toshiba I am replacing.

Any suggestions? Thanks.

There's no sense in pushing your budget if you don't have to. At the low prices the 50px80u can be found it's a great value for pretty good TV. If you really want to save some coin you can go with the 42px80u. I watched my 42px60u from 10' for two and a half years and I didn't think it was too small. I got a 50pz800u a month ago and it still seems huge to me. That said, if you have a 46" display now you will probably miss the additional real estate when going to a smaller display.

As far as resolution in a 42" screen at your viewing distance is concerned, you won't see a difference unless you have super-spidey vision. At 50" from 10' I do see a very slight improvement in PQ mainly due to the Screen Door Effect. You may or may not be able to see a difference. Check out the displays in the store on a Blu-ray feed if you can, you should be able to get a good idea that way.

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I live in a small apartment where 32 inch would be the perfect fit.

Would appreciate your suggestions/opinions on the following
1. Should i go for 720 or 1080p ?
2. Samsung or Sharp Aquos. which one should i go for.
3. I am not planning to buy Blue ray disc player for atleast one or two years.

1. Unless you're sitting RIGHT in front of it, 720p.
2. If you're a gamer, go sharp. Otherwise, sammy.
3. At 32" blu ray is really over-kill, get a nice upconvert dvd player and save for a larger tv.

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I am looking to buy my girlfriend an XBox and a TV that will work well for her with it. Her vision is poor, though 'correctable', but will continue to deteriorate. Not usually an issue for images but text can be a real problem. With the computer, we have have multiple monitors. She uses one with a low resolution and can always zoom text easily with Firefox.

I already got her the Xbox. We have a 'standard' TV and and on screen text is very hard to read even for me frankly; quite small text to start with, and it seems to me that the Xbox makes it worse.? She can't read the on-screen instructions and prompts which is very frustrating. So, plan B is to buy a new HDTV. Looking at a 42", but wonder if the the 'lower quality' 720p is going to be a much better choice for her situation than getting the 1080p?

What can I do to get Xbox on-screen game text large enough on the TV that she can get the most enjoyment, even at a cost of graphics quality for me. Had not counted on this issue, but the text situation is a real problem.

In this case, resolution won't matter. Even on my 46", 360 text looks small. Sadly there is no fix other than buying a larger display.

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I'm a neophyte on the technical aspects of this topic, so please excuse my ignorance. I'm thinking of buying a flat panel hdtv and will use OTA for reception. My question concerns the type of hdtv that will be most appropriate for OTA, a 720p or 1080p. Does OTA provide 1080p type of signal or should I just buy a 720p hdtv? Of course there's a huge cost difference but I would like to buy a 1080p hdtv if it makes sense when combined with using OTA reception. If not, I'll get a 720p set. Thanks.
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There are not any 1080p OTA broadcasts and I am not aware of any plans to implement it. All HD broadcasts OTA are either 720p or 1080i.

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I just recently purchased a 1080p lcd panel. And the difference between it and my 720p display is quite noticable.

There have been arguments about not spending the cash on a 32" 1080p display since you won't notice a difference in picture in relation to a 720p 32" lcd.

I had a 32" display of decent consistent quality, and just upgraded to a 1080p 37" display due to space limitations. Overall the clarity of the image dramatically improves. When upscaled with a good scaler I find that setting 1:1 pixel mapping on the display provides the sharpest image for a SD signal. Colors are also more vibrant ( on some displays) but it definatly provides better image detail that was slightly blurred or non existant with my 720p display. SD DVD's look sharper also, and on a good remastered DVD the picture is HD quality. I only sit about 6-10 feet from the display, but I love the better detail for most SD sources even commercials look like their orginal signal . I also have a flea for filtering mosquito noise and it helps keeps the image solid and crisp consistently.
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1. Unless you're sitting RIGHT in front of it, 720p.
2. If you're a gamer, go sharp. Otherwise, sammy.
3. At 32" blu ray is really over-kill, get a nice upconvert dvd player and save for a larger tv.

Haha, are you joking? Blu-ray overkill on an HDTV?

That's the worst advice I've ever heard. You don't buy an HDTV just because it's bigger. You buy an HDTV for high definition content. Standard definition looks like ASS on an HDTV. Hmm, 307,200 pixels vs. 2,073,600. I wonder which one's going to look like ass on that TV with 2 million pixels. A source that has only 307,200 or a source that has video information for every pixel on that TV?

If you want to just keep watching stuff in standard definition, you should just get a big standard definition TV. Upscaled standard definition on an HDTV still looks like garbage and is nowhere near comparable to pure high definition content.

Anyone considering a 32" HDTV is probably not going to be sitting a mile away from it anyway. I don't see the point in sitting a mile away from your TV. Just throw a recliner in front of it and plop your ass down in front of it. All you need is a little bit of leg room between your feet rest on the pulled out footrest and the stand your TV is sitting on. Of course he's going to be sitting RIGHT in front of it. If you don't have the room for a TV larger than 32" you're going to be sitting RIGHT in front of it.

This is still the best value for 32" HDTVs:
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...i_sku=10714063

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I'm a neophyte on the technical aspects of this topic, so please excuse my ignorance. I'm thinking of buying a flat panel hdtv and will use OTA for reception. My question concerns the type of hdtv that will be most appropriate for OTA, a 720p or 1080p. Does OTA provide 1080p type of signal or should I just buy a 720p hdtv? Of course there's a huge cost difference but I would like to buy a 1080p hdtv if it makes sense when combined with using OTA reception. If not, I'll get a 720p set. Thanks.

I recommend 1080p for OTA mainly because about half the channels are in 1080i and half of them are in 720p. NBC, CW, CBS use 1080i. Fox, ABC, PBS use 720p.

Now, with the 1080i channels, you can see their full picture quality on a 1080p set because it's the same resolution, just more frames. If you had a 720p set it would actually have to remove information from the picture and decrease the quality to scale it down to your set. For the 720p channels, they'd be fine on a 720p set of course. On a 1080p set they're upscaled. They do not look as good as the 1080i channels since they're a lower resolution. They will still look good since they're HD, but they will look smoother, a little more blurry and less sharp/clear than the 1080i channels.
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Some misinformation there. Properly upscaled dvd can look excellent on a good quality large hdtv. Not bd detailed but very good. A 32 inch set you sit right in front of may work for an individual but many people watch as a group so more distance is required. There have been tests done where professional reviewers could not tell 1080p from 768p and actually preferred the 768p set. Read these at home theater magazine shootout and canadian hifi magazine. Resolution is not why your 1080p set looks better than your 768p - it's more likely better contrast ratio and processing and just plain advances in technology with the latest panels. 1080p is as important as monster cables, that is to say @ 50inches and below viewed beyond 3 feet it's meaningless - but it sure sells a lot of tvs. For 55 inches plus it makes sense. Same concept as 5 mexapixel camera vs 10 mp. Unless you blow the picture up huge there is no benefit and other factors like the lens quality matter far more to the picture quality- but hey it sells cameras and if you are buying a new camera you might as well get it because it's essentially free. Thing is I'll get far better pictures with the older 5 megapixel with high quality optics than the 10mp with a junk lens and ccd.
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1080p is as important as monster cables, that is to say @ 50inches and below viewed beyond 3 feet it's meaningless - but it sure sells a lot of tvs. For 55 inches plus it makes sense.

Some misinformation there as well - i see SDE on my 42" 768p Plasma at 9 feet and lots of people see it as close as 7 feet so i don't see why you'd say 1080p is meaningless beyond 3 feet. I used to think 1080p was just a marketing gimmick but when i went out and started actually looking at 1080p sets at various distances it really does make a difference at normal viewing distances - not just up close. Seeing the pixel structure really detracts from the picture quality on the 768p set at our 9 foot distance, but it's simply not there on my 42" 1080p set in another room (8 foot distance). Several friends and relatives and neighbors see the difference between my two TVs when i show them what to look for and they're just regular folk.

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It's the quality of the set ,cr, processing not the resolution number. Not buying it.
http://www.hometheatermag.com/lcds/2...ce/index7.html
http://www.canadahifi.com/comments.php?id_entry=161
These reviewers either couldnt tell the difference or preferred the 768 set over the 1080p.
Not saying your 1080p set doesnt look better than your 768p panel - just that set quality is what thats about - not a number.
BTW absolutely no sde on my 50inch kuro 768p panels, none and viewed at 6-9 feet.
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It's the quality of the set ,cr, processing not the resolution number. Not buying it.
http://www.hometheatermag.com/lcds/2...ce/index7.html
http://www.canadahifi.com/comments.php?id_entry=161
These reviewers either couldnt tell the difference or preferred the 768 set over the 1080p.
Not saying your 1080p set doesnt look better than your 768p panel - just that set quality is what thats about - not a number.
BTW absolutely no sde on my 50inch kuro 768p panels, none and viewed at 6-9 feet.

I agree and have posited the same in the past however you cannot discount the SDE. This is an issue dependent upon the individual viewer's visual acuity so while it is not an issue for you it is very real to someone like Randy as he stated in the post preceding yours. When I watch my 42" 768p Panasonic plasma I witness the SDE at about 4' while on my 50" 1080p Panasonic I definitely do not. If you had Super Spidey Vision like Randy you would change your argument.

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Again this is a panel issue that is not about resolution. Why did none of the reviewers I linked to mention sde on the 768 kuro compared to the 1080p panasonics, sonys etc?- they all have bad eye sight? Unlikely. I've seen sde on various models of lcd. I've also seen horrid soft washed out 1080p panels in lcd and plasma. 1080p by itself doesn't mean a better picture. ISF calibrators rate it far down the list of pq factors. They have poor eyes as well? Randy prefers his 1080p set - great - doesnt mean all 1080p set are superior to all 768p sets - Just the 2 compared in his home. This is ending up being a panasonic comparison while the thread title just mentions the res numbers.
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768 sets are pretty retarded. It's not even a resolution used so it's always downscaling or upscaling the image to fit the number of pixels. You're never even seeing the original image - you're only seeing the TV's "guess" at what the image should look like.
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I was all set to get a 720p 50" plasma, because I can't see a difference from 10' away.

But from 7' feet away or closer, I *could* see a difference, and I sometimes get that close to it when I get off the couch. And there is a real difference if using it for a computer monitor (who knows, might happen). So I paid more for a 1080P 52" LCD.

The price is going down so quickly on these things, this discussion will be moot soon, and actually is pointless for some people. The difference between a 1080P and 720P set was about $700 earlier this year, now it's down to about $400. Awesome.
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Well I have two specific examples of how 1080p has helped...A lot!!!

My uncle has a pretty large home theater room, about 40 feet deep, and he used to have a 720p projector, and while it looked incredible with hd dvd. We had to back up to about 30 feet. He has a 200" projector. Recently though he has upgraded to a 1080p projector.
And little did he realize he would have to make a whole home theater rearrangement. He has moved his seats up to about 20 feet and it is still super clear. It is also WAYYY more immersive of an experience.

He seems to think it's worth it. And when I get my 61" samsung dlp(it's shipping), I will post comparison pics from certain distances and you can make the decision.
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EXACTLY , at those screen sizes (over 50 inches)1080p is much needed, no doubt.
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i compared 50pz80u and 50px80u side by side with same feed, i could not see pixel difference from 7 feet and higher, the black levels were better on PZ80U, the price difference is around $600 at CC at least.
Since 1080p is good sales pitch, manufacturer are putting more feature and better processing in 1080p sets as compare to 720p sets, consumer think 720p is not better quality as compared to 1080p and not willing to pay higher prices for 720p set.
Most professional review says otherwise and i believe they are right, if people think there is a difference in 1080p they should get 1080p, but the facts are there.
i sets 40 inch or smaller 1080p is over kill. It is amazing a 720p 50 inch plasma is under $900 now, it is bargain.
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The difference in a720p HD image VS 1080p HD is only slightly noticable, but both images look pristine and sharp...when talking about a 720p SD image and a 1080p SD image...there definatly is a noticable difference since the higher resolution set will display the picture with more detail and finer contrast.
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Very much dependant on the quality of the scaler and panel though. I've seen dvd (which is sd) upscaled to 1080p on a 1080p panel and look awful, soft , washed. I've seen the same material on a better quality 768 panel and look very hd, detailed with depth. Remember contrast is not a function of resolution and contrast is how most people perceive detail.
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I am trying to figure this all out, reading lots of threads, and posting questions. I was all set to purchase a Panasonic PX4280u when a poster said that if I was planning to use an HTPC then I should go for 1080. At this point my main sources are my RCN Hi Def cable box and SD DVD.

At some point I could see hooking up a computer to stream movies, perhaps Netflix someday when available, or other stored content from the internet. Will the Panasonic not work with this?

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Hi all,

If you saw my earlier post I had a dilemma on whether to buy the smaller, more expensive 1080p Panasonic or the larger, less expensive 720P Panasonic.

Well I made a decision and I couldn't be more happier. I bought the Panasonic TH-50PX80U and it looks great. At slightly over 9ft viewing distance, the picture looks fantastic. For the last week, I have been using the plasma burn in disk (I found the link somewhere in this forum) and have been running it for about 110 hours with brief TV and movie viewing (no longer than 2 hours) just to make sure I don't get any image retention. My christmas gift to myself and its awesome. Now just need to get the Digital Video Essentials in the next few weeks to tweek things a little better and combined with my Panasonic DMP-PD35 (Blu-Ray), Toshiba A3 (HD-DVD) [both players delivering HD Audio], Direct TV HD-DVR and Xbox 360 - I am like a kid in a candy store!!!!!

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