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Let the war begin.They are both out now so lets start the comparisons.

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Wow. Look at at all the insights on both displays that have been posted. Makes it so hard to decide, with so many good points posted about both!.
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I take it those pictures are from the samsung 81.Very impressive. I guess we should compare that pq to an 8g 1080p elite Kuro just to be fair.I dont think a thread like this should be locked. We are all just trying to get the best for our money or why spend time on a forum.I am an old pioneer 433cmx owner looking to upgrade after 5 years.I have seen the Kuro and read hundreds of threads on it and some on the release of the new samsung.Until i can see both displays in same place its hard to make a decision and even then it depends on the settings of displays.Thats where a thread like this could really help.I posted it here so it would not be biased.Hopefully users of both displays will respond but if someone ends up with both the info would be very valuable.

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Those pictures have crushed blacks and whites. I wouldn't buy a set that looked like that. Don't know why people bother posting pictures. I assume/hope that isn't what it looks like.
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A shot from Thunderheart on my 6010 I set up this weekend. Man I love this TV.
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Those pictures have crushed blacks and whites. I wouldn't buy a set that looked like that. Don't know why people bother posting pictures. I assume/hope that isn't what it looks like.

Gee.....it couldn't be caused by the camera now, could it?
Posting pics still can still be helpful.

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Hmm, I wonder if I should take some pics of the Sony XBR CRT HDTV that my
brother now owns. I think it would be a good reference point for those who
still care about black levels, colour saturation, and such.
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Still...price/pref ratio is in the Kuro's favor at least so far.

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Gee.....it couldn't be caused by the camera now, could it?
Posting pics still can still be helpful.

True, I remember when the 65-series TV's came out, folks were amazed how
black the TV appeared, myself included. One guy had a lot of pitch black
shots and you'd swear it had 'black-hole' like blacks. Suffice to say, I finally
got to see one in a very dark environment and the blacks weren't as good as
I'd thought they'd be (based on initial pictures) - and they were still crushed.
To be perfectly honest, I think plasmas are more dependent on black levels
for their reproduction of colour, hence why it seems to be stressed more. For
LCD's, it seems to make things appear brighter, more defined which isn't as
necessary, IMHO. This is outside the obvious advantage of black bars, space
scenes, and such.

Getting back on-topic, I'm going to reserve judgement on the 81-series until
I see it in person. I'm not entirely impressed with the PQ of those shots (blacks
are dark, but the shadow detail isn't great and the scenes with colours seemed
to glow in a peculiar way, especially that planet shot). I'm thinking it may be due
to the camera. For the Pioneer, the shots look great, but I still want to see this
60 inch 1080P monster in person. Damn though, that 60 inch Pioneer costs between
$4500-$5000 depending on where you look. I'm curious to know the (real) street
price of the 5281 as there's no way it'll stay near the MSRP.
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6010 pics
OK, here are some pics from my 6010. I don't have any Blu-Ray / HD-DVD stuff, so this is all 1080i off Comcast through a S3 Tivo (set to pass-through). Plus I'm not the best photographer in the world.

#2 is a closeup of #3 (#3 is provided for context) at about my camera's pixel level. I made several shots of darker scenes, but the pictures just couldn't do the set justice. I don't have as much basis for comparison as many of the people on this forum, but I have no complaints at all about the black levels!
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Those 8G pics look FLAT and have terrible washout. 81 makes 8G look like a cheap lcd. 8G can't match 81 white levels or black levels, so lack of pop is no surprise.

I am sure you are making this um 'preference call' after careful and long comparisons of the two technologies. Where and how long did you do this?

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Still looks like a washed out pic.

Whatever...

I guess the real world is washed out.
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Only through plasma goggles.

Oh, so now you're insulting opinions with labels. How childish.

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81 vs 8G isn't about preference. There's not a single positive thing that 8G does better or as good as 81. You can dial 81 to lowly 8G contrast levels if that's your preference.

Viewing angles, motion, and less glare. They can also be had for less cash. At least on paper that's what I know for a fact the 8g does better. Funny how quickly the 8gs got so 'lowly', even though they pretty much annhilate any other digital display out there in contrast alone. Lowly contrast is not a Kuro problem. It's alot of other TVs problems.. but not the 8g. They may not be 'local dimming' but until I see it I'll reserve judgement.

Samsung may very well have eclipsed the Kuro in terms of dynamic contrast but at what price? It's a tough call until we get more impressions and owner reviews. Especially since I can't even get a glimpse of these TV sets.

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81 beats 8G in motion detail. Do some research.

You mean google it? What feature did I miss this time? 120hz chicken fajita motion reducing blur? I'll believe it when I see it. LED or not I see motion blur on backlit sets.

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Well 81 series isn't your typical backlit set. It uses strobing leds(Leds go ON/OFF/ON/OFF). 81 is a flat crt.

That's what i'm hoping for. All this jargon is meaningless until I see it. The 81 is also a figment of my imagination until I see it.

September 15th apparently... oi.

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I should have known Sampo would invade my thread.Well price wise the 8g definitely comes out on top unless forum sponsers hit better price points.

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Sampo is a waste of physical mass. It's funny how one minute he blows his horn for the only 81 series owner that posted pictures.....then when some starts to attack the pictures, he retreats and says that everyone should wait until calibrated pictures are posted. A true clown.

How about this Sampo, wake me up when someone posted numbers AFTER an ISF calibration. Anything beyond that is wortheless when it comes to "bragging rights".
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wake me up when someone posted numbers AFTER an ISF calibration. Anything beyond that is wortheless when it comes to "bragging rights".

I agree. Let's wait for calibrated 50" 1080p Kuros and calibrated 52" 81s before crowning the winner.
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I agree. Let's wait for calibrated 50" 1080p Kuros and calibrated 52" 81s before crowning the winner.

Let's see how the 81 series plays with the big boys.....not 'under 50" easy to miss flaws' kinds of sizes.
52" and larger....it will magnify this prototypes weakneses.
You don't think the 70" delay is due to manufacturing do you?

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81 beats 8G in motion detail. Do some research.

I asked you before for proof of this claim of yours, and you never provided any, not even a link. Stop pulling stuff out of your arse!.
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Let's see how the 81 series plays with the big boys.....not 'under 50" easy to miss flaws' kinds of sizes.
52" and larger....it will magnify this prototypes weakneses.
You don't think the 70" delay is due to manufacturing do you?

Sounds like big time motion delay!.
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Sampo is a waste of physical mass. It's funny how one minute he blows his horn for the only 81 series owner that posted pictures.....then when some starts to attack the pictures, he retreats and says that everyone should wait until calibrated pictures are posted. A true clown.

How about this Sampo, wake me up when someone posted numbers AFTER an ISF calibration. Anything beyond that is wortheless when it comes to "bragging rights".

Agreed... or one can find out on his own.

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Am I the only one who thinks its a bit odd to be judging a brand new TV and deciding if its "the one" or "the holy grail" based on feedback and photos (not great ones at that) from just ONE owner? Or am I missing something?
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Am I the only one who thinks its a bit odd to be judging a brand new TV and deciding if its "the one" or "the holy grail" based on feedback and photos (not great ones at that) from just ONE owner? Or am I missing something?

You aren't missing anything. In fact you're on the money.

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You aren't missing anything. In fact you're on the money.

Thanks. I was beginning to think I'd missed a bunch of feedback from a bunch of new owners such as "underscore".
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Thanks. I was beginning to think I'd missed a bunch of feedback from a bunch of new owners such as "underscore".

Yea people are quick to jump the gun. I am defintely excited to see the new Sammy's though. Same excitement I had for the Kuro models. And as it is well known.. I looooove Pios new TVs.

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