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post #1 of 8 Old 12-19-2001, 09:46 AM - Thread Starter
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I've heard some statements and some rumors on the ability to record HD onto DVD's. Could someone please give some specifics?

The $750 Panasonic DMR-E20 DVD recorder looks very enticing.
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here's a link to the recorder
http://www.panwebi.com/products/vide...le/dmr-e20.htm
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You have to down rez it and convert it to MPEG4 and then it is
small enought to fit on 1 DVD, which has a limit of 4.7 gig per side.

There is no current stand alone DVD players that will play MPeG 4
files, that I know of. You would have to play it with a software DVD player.

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Roger that, that Panasonic is a stand alone
that will never play HD-DVDs, since it is hard
coded for mpeg-1/2.

The Pros have the ability to do HD-DVD on a PC,
and what is being discussed is some of us with
DVD recorders on a PC doing the same thing.
Since there are folks here who are already
recording to hard disk in mpeg4, its just a
matter of moving that to the DVD.

I am trying to get a HD-DVD going, but its
a curiosity only. The reason is that I already
have a 100 gigbyte disc for storage of HDTV,
and the only thing HD-DVD adds is permanent storage of shows. Interchange (giving the discs
to others) is not presently an option, since
even off air recordings with commercials intact
are illegal to share.
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Quote:
Originally posted by samiam
I am trying to get a HD-DVD going, but its
a curiosity only. The reason is that I already
have a 100 gigbyte disc for storage of HDTV,
and the only thing HD-DVD adds is permanent storage of shows. Interchange (giving the discs
to others) is not presently an option, since
even off air recordings with commercials intact
are illegal to share.
The other option is to scale standard DVD up to 1080i. It sure looks good with WinDVD if you go through the pain to set it up on an Nvidia card, as many in the HTPC section know. That option requires only 1/4 the data space. I wouldn't be surprised to see DVD players capable of this with HDTV capable TV's --- in fact if anyone has a job opening in product testing on these (or knows some info on who has the inside track on this), please let me know. I think Sony already is on this one.
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re sharing recordings:
I may just be ignorant, but I really don't think it's illegal to share OTA recordings. It's surely illegal to do it for profit, but it's Fair Use for "personal" sharing.

SonicBlue's new DVR allows sharing recordings across networks -- and they're getting sued -- but I'm sure they wouldn't have offered the feature if their lawyers hadn't assured them it was covered under Fair Use.
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re recording HD to DVD:
I have been happily recording HD with my HiPix, then recording it to $4 DVD-R discs. I have a Que DVD-R/RAM (which is a cheap OEM of the Pioneer A03 drive-mechanism) and buy DVD-Rs from one of the Yahoo Stores. I have to chop the recordings up into ~30min blocks, but I manually do it at the commercials so it's not too disruptive during playback.

I also found that my original 12x Toshiba DVD player was extremely slow playing-back DVD-Rs. I upgraded to a 16x Pioneer and now it barely breaks a sweat during playback.
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re HD -> MPEG4:
I use the DivX encoder from http://www.vidomi.com for archiving regular NTSC broadcasts (recorded to SD MPEG2 by my Dazzle card). I have not, however, been able to successfully translate my Hipix files (ATSC streams) to MPEG2 *and* convert them to full-rez MPEG4. The problem may be with the older DivX-3 codec (the new DivX-4 codec now claims HD support), or it may be that the utilities I used did not create a true, compliant MPEG-2 file from the ATSC stream. For now, I'm waiting for someone else to figure it out!
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If $4 DVD-R can hold 30 minutes of HD material, a $4 SVHS tape can hold 2 hours of D-VHS material.

There's no comparison :)
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Yesterday I ordered some DVD-R's from cd-recordable.com for only $2.95 for single and $4.95 for double sided discs.

And the prices are still rapidly dropping.

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