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post #1 of 9 Old 01-04-2002, 02:32 PM - Thread Starter
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Assuming D-VHS will be around soon, I have some basic questions:

1. Does a D-VHS deck have its own HD tuner, so that I can record HD programs OTA without even turning on my TV? (similar to normal VHS)

2. If the answer to question 1 is NO, then how do you feed the HD signal to the D-VHS, from the video out of a set top box ?

3. I have an RCA38" HDTV with built-in direcTV tuner, and subscribe to direcTV. The RCA has no video outputs. Therefore, if a D-VHS has no HD tuner, then I will be unable to record any HD programs, correct?

4. What is the price of a D-VHS right now?
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Assuming D-VHS will be around soon, I have some basic questions:

1. Does a D-VHS deck have its own HD tuner, so that I can record HD programs OTA without even turning on my TV? (similar to normal VHS)

2. If the answer to question 1 is NO, then how do you feed the HD signal to the D-VHS, from the video out of a set top box ?

3. I have an RCA38" HDTV with built-in direcTV tuner, and subscribe to direcTV. The RCA has no video outputs. Therefore, if a D-VHS has no HD tuner, then I will be unable to record any HD programs, correct?

4. What is the price of a D-VHS right now?
1) The JVC D-VHS deck does have an NTSC tuner BUT NOT AN HDTV TUNER. To record HDTV you must connect the deck to a COMPATABLE HDTV STB or TV via the firewire port.

2) The 1394 or firewire port. There was an old JVC analog HDTV VCR but that has been discontinued.

3) Currently there are no consumer means to record HDTV from DirecTV.

4) I think it's $1500 list but some members have reported getting one for $1199.

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1) The JVC D-VHS deck does have an NTSC tuner BUT NOT AN HDTV TUNER. To record HDTV you must connect the deck to a COMPATABLE HDTV STB or TV via the firewire port.

2) The 1394 or firewire port. There was an old JVC analog HDTV VCR but that has been discontinued.

3) Currently there are no consumer means to record HDTV from DirecTV.

4) I think it's $1500 list but some members have reported getting one for $1199.
Thanks Glimmie,
On your reply to question 3 (no consumer means to record HDTV from DirecTV), if I have a "COMPATIBLE HDTV STB" that gets both OTA and DirecTV, I should be able to connect this STB to the deck and record both OTA and DirecTV, right?
You seem to imply that only OTA hd can be recorded, is that really true?

Thanks again, but I'm still confused.
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There are no DirecTV or Dish Netowrk STB's that have 1394 ports on them to feed a DVHS. Future products will have those ports but that still doesn't mean they will allow recording. It could be conditionally controlled by the program owners as to how and if they allow recording. You should always be able to record OTA.

You will read about people here recording Dish network on older Panasonic DVHS machines. This is (was) possible with an early version of a Echostar HDTV add on product for thier 5000 receiver. All the items required to do this have been out of pruduction for at least a year and command very high prices on the used market.

DirecTV STB's never allowed digital recording. There is a small company that was offering an upgrade to an RCA DTC100 stb that would record DirecTV but they have not gotten it to work yet and may never.

The JVC WVHS could record either DirecTV or Dish from the analog connections but it was an HDTV analog recording with compromised quality. Plus the machine and tape stock is very expensive. It also could only record stereo sound, no 5.1.

With today's current market offereings only OTA recording is possible. PPV and cable will only be possible in the future under some form of copy management implemented by the studios and content owners through the MPAA. An HDTV PVR device seems very reasonable but don't look for unlimited viewing tapes to be allowed on preminum content unless they are bought pre-recorded.

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Thanks Glimmie.
What is a 1394 port? Does the OTA signal come out of another port?

These are very basic facts that's new to me. Wonder if other guys reading this forum know about this. In any case this of major concern: can only record OTA but not HDnet or HBOhd. And I thought people can build a library of HD movies on tape by taping off HBOhd.

Please explain this a little further, sort of like FAQ's on basics of HD recording.

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A 1394 or "firewire" port is basically a very high speed serial port like the comm ports on your PC. It is used to carry compressed video.

The recording issues have been discussed here at length for two years. Do some searches.
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MPAA
5C
DVI
PVR
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DMCA

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As was mentioned above, there are no DirecTV or Dish STB that have a 1393 interface. However the Mitsubishi 65859, 55909, 65909, and 73909 do have built in OTA HD tuners and have 1394 ports that can be connected to HD VCRs. The Mitsubishi HD2000 HD VCR works with the above sets. These combos can only record OTA since the sets only have HD OTA capability built in. Locally at the Good Guys the 65859 sells for $4499 and HD2000 for $999.

Also these 1394 ports have copy protection schemes. The term DTVLink has been defined to mean 1394 with copy protection.

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can the moderator turn this thread into a start of an HDTV recording FAQ?

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OK, so what's the best device to record:
DSS
OTA-HD
DVD
via Component Video OR RGB?

since D-VHS can only record OTA-HD.....

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