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Can those attending CES please confirm that the just announced Moxi Media Center that EchoStar will be showing supports HD recording?

A more in depth thread is on the HD Hardware board, yet I wanted to be certain the people interested in HD recording sees this product. Well to be honest I'm also looking forward to my 500th post!

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Here's the scoop on the Moxi:

http://www.techtv.com/products/consu...366931,00.html
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I just read their FAQ, which is the only place where I saw a confirmation that this can indeed record HDTV (question 20--question 13 is also interesting). It's storage is extensible over its FireWire loop, which is a novel approach--I wonder what the maximum speed of the box's interface is? No mention of whether its capable of talking any of the FireWire A/V protocols though.

This is an extremely impressive piece of work.

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The Moxi press FAQ does not state that they have HDTV recording working. It merely states that "the Moxi hardware and software architecture is capable of receiving and recording HDTV broadcasts".

Sounds like etherware to me. I'll report on myth vs. reality after I visit their booth on Tues or Wed.

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The Moxi press FAQ does not state that they have HDTV recording working. It merely states that "the Moxi hardware and software architecture is capable of receiving and recording HDTV broadcasts".
This is distinct from a statement that they have it working in what way? They could also state that it's "software and hardware architecture is capable of receiving and recording NTSC broadcasts". They make that statement in response to the question "Can the MC receive and record HDTV broadcasts?" I'd say that the response is pretty affirmative.

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Don't forget that they will not be manufacturing any hardware.

Their system seems capable of controling numerous audio and video features, including HD PVR. If Dish or Directv licence their product, they could easily incorporate HD PVR into their sat receivers.

When Dish announced that they may have HD PVR in the future, this product may be what they will be using. I believe Dish is an investor in this company.

Other companies that licence this product may not have the ability or will not want to combine HD with their hardware.

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I tend to discount any statement by an IP company that they have some very good ideas to license. We have seen any number of them since that business practice became popular and the implementations may arrive late, never, crippled, or too expensive.

But when I can actually buy one of these at a reasonable price then I will change my tune completely and pretend I never said this. ;)

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Thats funny trbarry...

Keep in mind that Echostar is a close partner/
investor of Moxi's right now, and they are
hungry for a new platform. I give the odds
of success above average results on this one.

Echostar has had some difficulty producing
stable/reliable PVRs so far
(MS Displayer & DishPVR501
have seemed to be prone to problems).

Hopefully they won't turn consumers into
unwitting beta-testers on this one, and hopefully
they can produce a product with reliability
and stability at least on par with TiVo products.
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The main reason that I tend to believe that the statement in the FAQ means that they have HD PVR capability is that it's not particularly difficult. It's highly akin to what DirecTiVo, DISH PVR and Ultimate TV are doing with DBS quality MPEG and people are doing it today with inexpensive off-the-shelf HD tuner cards and common PCs.

His hat-trick is getting everything he claims that the box can do into a package that can be manufactured for no more than $450. As he himself admits, he's not doing anything new, just integrating a bunch of existing tech in a useful way.

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For what it's worth, the unit does have DVI output... not sure if it's HDCP or not... but it does have DVI.

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What unit? The prototype?

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Well, I should have qualified that by saying the "plans" for the unit include DVI output.

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Quote:
Originally posted by PVR

Hopefully they won't turn consumers into
unwitting beta-testers on this one, and hopefully
they can produce a product with reliability
and stability at least on par with TiVo products.
I read somewhere a saying that I've adopted as one of my philosophies.

It's either beta
or it's obsolete.

Maybe not the best way of looking at things, but it sure has made my interaction with technology much less stressful. :)
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