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mabuttra's Avatar mabuttra 07:45 PM 05-28-2010
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Originally Posted by HoustonPerson View Post

Ok, I am considering one of these contraptions.

HoustonPerson,

I bought a DTVPal about a month ago, hoping to replace my Sony DHG with it. After playing with it, I've decided to continue using my Sony until it dies. I'll just use the DTVPal as a second (and third) tuner to record shows that overlap. I was aware before I bought it of some of the complaints that people had with it. Although the TVGOS gets up and running faster than the Sony, it really leaves a lot to be desired. I have six channels (three are sub channels) that show "no information" on the Pal. those same channels have eight days of data on the Sony. One of those channels missing TVGOS data is my CBS station, which is my host channel.

Mark

keyboard21's Avatar keyboard21 08:07 PM 05-28-2010
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Originally Posted by mabuttra View Post

HoustonPerson,

I bought a DTVPal about a month ago, hoping to replace my Sony DHG with it. After playing with it, I've decided to continue using my Sony until it dies. I'll just use the DTVPal as a second (and third) tuner to record shows that overlap. I was aware before I bought it of some of the complaints that people had with it. Although the TVGOS gets up and running faster than the Sony, it really leaves a lot to be desired. I have six channels (three are sub channels) that show "no information" on the Pal. those same channels have eight days of data on the Sony. One of those channels missing TVGOS data is my CBS station, which is my host channel.

Mark

There is a trick you can try for the NO information. After you go to the guide and see what stations say no info. Go back to View tv and go to that station. Then hit guide again. Should come up then.

It works for us. So if it is channel 2 (for example. Go to channel 2 then hit guide again. It forces the info to load.
Chuck44's Avatar Chuck44 08:11 PM 05-28-2010
That trick only brings up the PSIP info, not TVGOS.
ss_sea_ya's Avatar ss_sea_ya 08:12 PM 05-28-2010
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Originally Posted by HoustonPerson View Post

But if the box is not able to "pixel match" (no overscan for 1080), then that would be a deal killer for me.

Deal killer here is not pic qualtiy, but reliability of the product. If you have great reception and only need OTA, then this may barely work for you. back to back programming on multiple channels, locks ups, and DST changes will all mess up your recordings.
Other devices are available, that might suit your needs better if you are that concerned about video matching quality.
keyboard21's Avatar keyboard21 08:28 PM 05-28-2010
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Originally Posted by Chuck44 View Post

That trick only brings up the PSIP info, not TVGOS.

12 to 48 hours of guide is better then NO info
Chuck44's Avatar Chuck44 09:02 PM 05-28-2010
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12 to 48 hours of guide is better then NO info

Absolutely.
mabuttra's Avatar mabuttra 09:51 PM 05-28-2010
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12 to 48 hours of guide is better then NO info

True, but I prefer 8 days of guide data which my Sony gives me consistently. I'm sure if the DTVPal was my first DVR it would be pretty cool, but after using the Sony for 4 years, I immediately miss its features when I try to use the DTVPal.

Mark
P Smith's Avatar P Smith 09:55 PM 05-28-2010
I'm holding in my hands unopened CM-7000PAL; if you have questions - I'll be glad to answer.
keyboard21's Avatar keyboard21 10:24 PM 05-28-2010
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Originally Posted by P Smith View Post

I'm holding in my hands unopened CM7000-PAL; if you have questions - I'll be glad to answer.

Can you open it? Are there any differences to the Dishpal dvr?

OR

Same box?


Also why would you spend over $350 for a $199 box?
P Smith's Avatar P Smith 10:31 PM 05-28-2010
I can make pictures...

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Also why would you spend over $350 for a $199 box?

- Perhaps I've a high level curiosity in my blood.
keyboard21's Avatar keyboard21 10:46 PM 05-28-2010
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I can make pictures...

Great much appreciated. Can you also tell us if there is any difference to the Dishpal DVR.?
P Smith's Avatar P Smith 10:58 PM 05-28-2010
I'll postpone unpacking and picturing - too late for tonight, lets make it tomorrow.
Rammitinski's Avatar Rammitinski 11:41 PM 05-28-2010
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Originally Posted by sivartk View Post

Bottom line, I could tell no difference in picture quality between the two units with the same OTA antenna source. (This on a 720p TV and 100" 720p projector...output on both set to 720p)

Even on the 480i channels?

That's where you can see really a difference between my Sony and my TiVo HD. The TiVo is OK, but the Sony is better.
Rammitinski's Avatar Rammitinski 11:49 PM 05-28-2010
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Originally Posted by mabuttra View Post

True, but I prefer 8 days of guide data which my Sony gives me consistently. I'm sure if the DTVPal was my first DVR it would be pretty cool, but after using the Sony for 4 years, I immediately miss its features when I try to use the DTVPal.

Yeah - like I've always said, the Sony DVR is the best piece of electronics gear that I've ever owned.
HoustonPerson's Avatar HoustonPerson 05:41 AM 05-29-2010
Mabuttra and Rammitinski, yes that is exactly where I am coming from.

Mark you hit the nail on the head. I would like to add two more recording channels in my set up for a total of "three". And you have really answered my questions regarding the quality I am used to in the Sony. That is extremely hard to give up. After reading all the post(s) this morning I am inclined to just get another Sony, which only gives me "one" more tuner.

You wouldn't happen to have (or anybody), the DVR hook-up to a 1080p panel with pixel mapping would you? Like a Panasonic with HD-Size 2 option or any other panel that provides for pixel mapping on a 1080i source? If it cannot match the Sony on that feature, then I will not consider it any further. I already know it messes around with the 720 source which I do not like, because we do record a lot of FOX stuff and some ABC stuff.
HoustonPerson's Avatar HoustonPerson 05:54 AM 05-29-2010
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Originally Posted by sivartk View Post

I've owned both the DTVPal DVR and the Sony DHG-HDD250. If you display doesn't overscan, this machine won't do it for you. When I had mine hooked to the projector, I could still see the VBI lines of some SD analog shows that the local broadcaster simply upconverted to 1080i.

Bottom line, I could tell no difference in picture quality between the two units with the same OTA antenna source. (This on a 720p TV and 100" 720p projector...output on both set to 720p)

Thanks, see my post just above.

To be more specific I am trying to locate someone with a fixed 1080p panel (plasma or LCD), that has selectable pixel mapping (Like the Panasonic HD Size 2), and has confirmed the DTVPal will not overscan on a 1080i source to that pixel mapping 1080p panel.
Bengoshi2000's Avatar Bengoshi2000 06:17 AM 05-29-2010
Well, I completed my DIY antenna and cable run to the attic and now have my Craigslist DTV Pal up and running. I've been using it for about a week and I'm very pleased. It's whisper quiet compared to my Directv hd-dvr. I actually find the PQ is better than Directv. If it only works for 2 months then I've broken even with Directv.

Directv has been canceled with extreme prejudice.

I LOVE stickin' it to tha Man!
trp2525's Avatar trp2525 07:40 AM 05-29-2010
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I'm holding in my hands unopened CM7000-PAL; if you have questions - I'll be glad to answer.

I'm wondering if the Channel Master CM-7000PAL DVR has the card slot and card in the front of it like the Dish version has. From the pictures I've seen thus far I can't tell if it does or not.

I'd also like to know what it shows for the firmware version when you bring up the system info screen from your remote. I'm wondering if they are using the same numbering system (i.e. F208) like the Dish version or if they have their own unique numbering system. Lastly, what does it show on that same screen for the Internet Address (Dish version shows dtvpal.com)?
sivartk's Avatar sivartk 07:58 AM 05-29-2010
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Originally Posted by Rammitinski View Post

Even on the 480i channels?

That's where you can see really a difference between my Sony and my TiVo HD. The TiVo is OK, but the Sony is better.

The only 480i channels I get are 24/7 weather channels, so I don't really watch them much. When I had the Sony, there were only weather 480i channels then, so I really can't compare.
NorthDallasGuy's Avatar NorthDallasGuy 08:47 AM 05-29-2010
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Originally Posted by Rammitinski View Post

Yeah - like I've always said, the Sony DVR is the best piece of electronics gear that I've ever owned.

Just curious...any idea why was the Sony DVR you're talking about discontinued?
P Smith's Avatar P Smith 08:56 AM 05-29-2010
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Originally Posted by trp2525 View Post

I'm wondering if the Channel Master CM-7000PAL DVR has the card slot and card in the front of it like the Dish version has. From the pictures I've seen thus far I can't tell if it does or not.

I'd also like to know what it shows for the firmware version when you bring up the system info screen from your remote. I'm wondering if they are using the same numbering system (i.e. F208) like the Dish version or if they have their own unique numbering system. Lastly, what does it show on that same screen for the Internet Address (Dish version shows dtvpal.com)?

Without opening it, I can tell - it is dish DVR, on a label outside you can see all the Receiver CAID and SC CAID as regular DTVPAL DVR.
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P Smith's Avatar P Smith 09:10 AM 05-29-2010
Opening the box ...
On second picture you can see a smart card too.
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P Smith's Avatar P Smith 09:11 AM 05-29-2010
One post allow to attach only 5 pictures ... So, one more for exterior view.
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frank70's Avatar frank70 09:13 AM 05-29-2010
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Originally Posted by Bengoshi2000 View Post

Well, I completed my DIY antenna and cable run to the attic and now have my Craigslist DTV Pal up and running. I've been using it for about a week and I'm very pleased. It's whisper quiet compared to my Directv hd-dvr. I actually find the PQ is better than Directv. If it only works for 2 months then I've broken even with Directv.

Directv has been canceled with extreme prejudice.

I LOVE stickin' it to tha Man!

The picture quality of OTA TV is, and always will be, vastly superior to subscription services. OTA is the original bitstream as it leaves the station (as good as it's ever going to be), while cable, satellite, and FIOS have only one goal - to cram as many channels as possible (so they can charge you for them) into as little bandwidth as possible (so they can sell other services over the same medium), thus the original bitstream gets uncompressed and then recompressed at a lower bit rate. Isn't it obvious that something that you pay for should be inferior to something that's free?
trp2525's Avatar trp2525 09:25 AM 05-29-2010
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Originally Posted by NorthDallasGuy View Post

Just curious...any idea why was the Sony DVR you're talking about discontinued?

I never owned one but from what I have read they were very well-made/high-quality units. One thing that I believe lead to their demise was the MSRP which ranged from $800 for the 250GB unit to $1,000 for the 500GB unit. I don't believe the majority of OTA viewers who wanted to record HD were willing to spend that amount of money. A lot of people buying electronics look for the cheapest price and unfortunately don't give much thought to the quality of the build or components inside. IMHO the Sony units had a limited market based on their MSRPs at the time.
P Smith's Avatar P Smith 10:07 AM 05-29-2010
If bfdtv want to add CM-7000PAL pictures to the first page he could use my collection of screen shots. It's too big to post by myself.

I did attempt to update SW, but it running current.

For particular question I will post a couple pictures, for now it's startup screen and System Info:
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visualsensation's Avatar visualsensation 10:19 AM 05-29-2010
Now we know it has a different firmware than the Pal DVR - F400. Since its not F109 or something close to that, I'm afraid that it won't be compatible with the Pal. Thanks for posting!
P Smith's Avatar P Smith 10:26 AM 05-29-2010
If someone brave enough, he could DL CM FW to flash drive and could try update his DTVPal DVR. Not sure if there is any advantage.
trp2525's Avatar trp2525 10:46 AM 05-29-2010
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Originally Posted by P Smith View Post

If someone brave enough, he could DL CM FW to flash drive and could try update his DTVPal DVR. Not sure if there is any advantage.

Unfortunately that experiment is not possible yet because Channel Master has not posted the firmware at the Channel Master CM-7000PAL DVR Support Page. They probably won't post firmware there for download to a flash drive until there is an update available (assuming there will be future updates). Dish never posted the original version of their firmware, F201, on their website and only started posting firmware for download when F202 (and later F206, F207 and F208) was available.
P Smith's Avatar P Smith 11:03 AM 05-29-2010
There is other way - read CM flash and reprogram your PAL DVR. .
A couple more pictures - inside it is the same DTVpal DVR:
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