Currently, I have an iomega Screenplay HD that only has a USB port. I can transfer a 4 GB VIDEO_TS folder between the Screenplay and a PC (Win XP) in under 3 minutes. Copying the same VIDEO_TS folder from one PC to another PC over my home LAN (wired) using shared folders takes just under 12 minutes.
Could I expect to copy that 4 GB VIDEO_TS folder from a shared folder on a PC to the R3310 over wired ethernet in about the same 12 minutes? I'm asking this because I read that the newer iomega Screenplay Pro (which I'm also considering) takes about 30 minutes to copy a 4.5 GB DVD folder over its ethernet port. That seems excruciatingly slow.
So you're getting about 190 MB per minute, while the Screenplay Pro gets about 150 MB per minute. That says the R3310 is about 27% faster than the Screenplay Pro. Nice. Of course, it's still about 40% slower than a PC to PC transfer.
Thanks for your help.
It's also about 50W lower in power consumption than PC-to-PC transfer. You don't get the low power-consumption numbers of the media streamers with GHz-speed clocks. Given their low powers, they do remarkably well and their PQ is fabulous.
Your point about the power consumption is well taken. I'm nerdy enough already, I don't need a PC sitting next to my TV to reinforce the point.
By the way, I just ordered an R3310 from Digital Connection, so I'll find out for myself here how well it works.
You can transfer large 8+ Gig files via FTP, but it will be very slow. The fastest method will be as a USB drive connected to the computer you are transferring the file from. The next best method is from one computer to the TVIX connected as a usb drive on a second computer with a 1G LAN between the computers. Here are some numbers for a 7.75 Gig file:
Direct computer to TVIX via USB - 5:40 mins (23.36 Meg/sec)
Computer to TVIX as USB on second computer - 8:20 mins (15.88 Meg/sec)
Computer to TVIX via FTP - 39:30 mins (3.35 Meg/sec)
FTP is about 7 times slower than direct USB connection and about 4.7 times slower than the two computer option.
I recommend picking up a 16 ft USB cable. This will give you some range on connecting up the USB. You will want to be able to disconnect the USB when not in use, since the TVIX will not let you do anything else when it is being used as a USB drive or the USB is connected.
When you do try to setup your TVIX for the first time it will probably start up in 720p mode. If your like me and have an older TV that doesn't support that mode, using the TV Out button on the remote will cycle through the different modes on the TVIX. You will see each mode in red on the display.
Thanks for the additional data points. It's interesting that your FTP transfers run at about the same speed that RustyHD got using Netshare, just under 200 MB/minute. (And your 1Gbps ethernet is very fast, BTW.)
That's an interesting idea about tethering the TViX to a second PC via USB, however, I don't want to put a PC near the TV (SWMBO would not approve). I might try it with something like an IOGear GUIP201 USB Net ShareStation that was written up in SmallNetBuilder last year http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/content/view/30511/75/.
However, I'll probably just move the TViX over to my computer and transfer the bulk of my movies to it via USB, then put it back by the TV and use the LAN connection as I add individual movies going forward. My ultimate goal is to put all my movies on a big RAID on my LAN and have the TViX play them over the network. Then I'd like to add a second TViX box hooked up to the bedroom TV and have it play movies from the same RAID. But I'm going to start small and see where it goes.
My family-room TV is a four year old Samsung DLP that supports 720p and 1080i, so I expect to get a pretty nice picture even though I don't have any HD content yet. My current iomega Screenplay HD (HD means Hard Drive, not High Def) connects to the TV via HDMI at 720p, IIRC, and the Std Def DVDs look great.
Did you try passing the captured file through MPEG Streamclip, as described in this DViCo FAQ? I don't know for sure, since I haven't tried this, but it seems possible that the "conversion" so performed will improve the stability of your player.
I received my R3310 last week, installed a 1 TB hard drive, upgraded the firmware to 1.5.4, and got it all set up on my network using the TViX Netshare driver. I upgraded to the TViX from an iomega Screenplay HD in order to get network operation and an ATSC tuner and I'm pretty happy with it so far. The user interface is MUCH more attractive than the Screenplay, but the Screenplay does do one thing better; it starts playing a ripped DVD if you press 'play' on a folder containing the VIDEO_TS folder, whereas the R3310 requires you to navigate down two more levels to the VIDEO_TS.ifo file. Not a big deal, though. One cool thing I discovered is that I can connect my Screenplay to one of the R3310's host USB ports, then all the movies stored on it become visible and playable on the TViX.
Getting to the transfer speed numbers...
To get some baseline data points for the TViX, I copied a VOB file (1,073,739,776 Bytes) between my PC (Win XP SP3) and the TViX over a 1Gbps LAN and over USB. The results were:
USB (direct connect):
TViX to PC
1,073,739,776 Bytes in 40 sec (26.8 MB/s)
Wired LAN (via FTP):
PC to TViX
1,073,739,776 Bytes in 44 sec (24.4 MB/s)
TViX to PC
1,073,739,776 Bytes in 4:14 or 254 sec (4.2 MB/s)
I'm happy with these speeds. Basically, if I want to move several movies to the TViX, I'll do it via USB. FTP works fine for copying a single movie over to the TViX once in a while, however, I wouldn't want to copy a lot of movies this way. Also, because my LAN uses DHCP, the TViX's IP address changes sometimes when I power cycle the unit, requiring me to adjust my FTP client accordingly. I should probably change my home LAN to use fixed IP addresses one of these days.
PC to TViX
1,073,739,776 Bytes in 4:44 or 284 sec (3.8 MB/s)
I have no issues playing movies stored on a network drive (via Netshare).
So phase 1 of my experiment is done: Storing movies on a network drive and playing them from a media player located next to the TV. Phase 2 is getting a second network media player for a second TV and playing movies from the same network drive. I'm trying to decide which player to get for the second TV, another R3310, or maybe something like the Popcorn Hour A-110 or ioBox 100HD. SmallNetBuilder just reviewed the ioBox and it sounds pretty good:
Anyone have any experience running two media players from the same Netshare?
All the routers that I've used have supported reserving IP addresses for specific devices when using DHCP. This has the advantage of not requiring any fixed-IP setup on each device while still nailing down the IP so that you always get the same address on each.
The ioBox is a very nice NMT unit, but suffers from the poor trick-play reliability on TS files that they all have. If you're only planning to play DVD files or pre-edited TS files, so that you don't need to skip around in them, it's a great player.
The big advantage of the R-3310 (besides having PVR capability) over the NMT is its TS file trick play for skipping over uninteresting parts of recordings.
Thanks for the router lesson. I've add the TViX's MAC address to my router's static DHCP client list.
Very helpful comments about the NMT vs. TViX handling of "trick-play".
To play an .ISO file, use:
- Media -> Open File...
- then browse to .ISO file.
To play a VIDEO_TS folder, use:
- Media -> Open Disk...
- then browse to VIDEO_TS folder.
Then all the DVD menus work with your mouse.
BTW. Talking about networking. I've got mine connected via a long USB cable to my computer interrupted by a USB switcher so all I have to do is switch the switcher when I want to transfer files rather than plugging and unplugging the cable. It works pretty well but sometimes the 3310 doesn't alway recognize when the connection is broken by the switcher and I still have to manually unplug the usb from the back of the unit or reboot.
Some of you might want to fool around with the lastest D-link wireless routers. The latest firmware for my unit allows you to connect usb devices to the network. I've fooled around with it and had some success with it as well.
In addition, I found a menu setting that lets the TViX play VIDEO_TS folders without having to navigate down to the video_ts.ifo file. That setting is located on the menu here:
Now I can just press Play on the folder that contains a VIDEO_TS folder and the DVD plays immediately. I no longer have to drill down two levels to play the video_ts.ifo file. A side benefit of this setting is that the top-level folder name is displayed on the TViX's front panel instead of "VIDEO_TS".
Setup -> Misc -> DVD Smart Navigation = Smart
So I'm a happy camper. Thanks to everyone who posted here.