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The following table compares the off-air and cable HDTV recorders available for purchase and ownership. These are the only standalone products still available that will record high-definition without a satellite subscription or cable STB/DVR rental fees.

There are satellite DVRs that can receive OTA signals, but those leased DVRs do not function without both a satellite subscription and DVR fee. Cable companies will not activate any other consumer-owned DVRs, aside from those below and the discontinued Sony DHD. The Cisco, Motorola, Pace, and Scientific Atlanta recorders sold on ebay/craigslist will not work on any U.S. cable system.

One SD recorder (Magnavox 2160) is included for comparison.

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TRIPLE TUNER
 
SD Recorder
HD Recorder
HD Recorder
HD Recorder
HD Recorder
HD Recorder
HD Recorder
INTRO & PRICING              
Release date
Dec 2008
Nov 2009
Dec 2008
Jul 2007
Apr 2010
Apr 2009
Nov 2009
Price online
$369 + HDD
DVR subscription fees required?
None
None
None
$12.99/mo
or $129/yr
$12.99/mo
or $129/yr
Included
Included
One-time payment as alternative to fees?
None
None
None
$299-399
$299-399
Included
Included
Total upfront cost without any future fees
$227
$400+
$300
$575
XL: $750
$598-699
XL: $698-$898
$499
$599
               
TUNERS
1
ATSC/QAM/NTSC
2
ATSC/QAM
2
ATSC
2
ATSC/QAM/NTSC
2
ATSC/QAM/NTSC
2
QAM
3
QAM
               
SOURCES SUPPORTED              
Antenna: Off-air channels
X
X
X
X
X
 
Cable: Analog channels*
X
   
X
($129 option)
($129 option)
Cable: Unencrypted digital SD/HD locals
X
X
X
X
X
Cable: Encrypted digital cable channels with CableCard      
X
X
X
X
Cable: Switched Digital Video compatible (Issues)      
(Requires TA)
(Requires TA)
(Requires TA)
(Requires TA)*
Separate coax inputs for antenna and cable      
X
X
   
               
BASIC FUNCTIONALITY              
Program guide    
X
High-definition picture with Dolby Digital  
X
X
X
X
X
X
Pause, instant replay, and rewind on liveTV
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
Record X different channels simultaneously
1
2
2
2
2
2*
3**
Recording time estimate (built-in)
33 SD hours
(66 SD w/ SP)
 
30 HD hours
21 HD hours
XL: 157 HD hours
46 HD hours
XL: 156 HD hours
75 HD hours
75 HD hours
Recording time with plug-and-play external drive  
300 HD hours*
 
165 HD hours
XL: 300 HD hours
190 HD hours
XL: 300 HD hours
375 HD hours*
375 HD hours*
Record scheduling method
Timers
Timers
Timers
Name-based
Name-based
Name-based
Name-based
Recorded programs are listed with program title    
X
X
X
X
X
Watch one channel while you record another  
X
X
X
X
X
X
Watch a previously recorded program while recording
X
 
X
X
X
X
X
Watch a recording-in-progress from the beginning
X
 
X
X
X
X
X
Remembers where you left off in every recording
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
Pause, replay, 30sec skip, slo mo, multiple speeds of FF/RW
X
(All except slo)
X
X
X
X
X
Skip 15+ minutes at a time  
X
 
X
X
X
X
Play recordings at 0.8 - 1.3x speed with audio
X
           
Progress bar (on trickplay) shows current position in video
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
Conflict management      
X
X
X
X
Record programs it thinks you will like using free space      
X
X
   
Set default settings for single and series recordings        
X
X
X
Correctly handles Daylight Savings Time (DST) changes
(Manual)
X
X
X
X
X
Closed captions on recordings
X
 
X
X
X
X
X
               
PROGRAM INFORMATION              
Method of guide data delivery  
antenna
antenna
Internet or phone
Internet or phone
Internet
Internet
Days of information
None
Current program
(when available)
8 days
14 days
14 days
14 days
14 days
Program titles on all channels    
Most locals
X
X
X
X
Basic program descriptions    
Most locals
X
X
X
X
Poster images for every program        
X
 
Detailed program descriptions, actors, original airdate, new or repeat      
X
X
X
X
Program information available 24/7/365      
X
X
X
X
Program information never goes out for a channel      
X
X
X
X
No CableCard needed for info on ClearQAM channels      
(Requires CableCard)
(Requires CableCard)
X
X
Source of program information  
PSIP
TVGOS
PSIP as backup
via TiVo servers
Tribune+Rovi
via TiVo servers
via Moxi servers
via Moxi servers
               
LIVETV FEATURES              
Buffer always active when recorder is on
X
(Only after pause)
X
X
X
X
X
Buffer time for pause, replay, rewind on liveTV
6 hours SD
Unlimited
(One tuner only)
1 hour HD
(One tuner only)
1 hour HD
(30 mins per tuner)
1 hour HD
(30 mins per tuner)
3+ hours HD
(1.5+ hrs per tuner)
4.5+ hours HD
(1.5+ hrs per tuner)
Number of tuners with independent liveTV buffers
1
1
1
2
2
2
3
Swap between multiple tuners without losing buffer or pause position      
X
X
(Loses position)
(Loses position)
Pause, replay, etc available when recording in background  
X
X
X
X
X
Buffer is not reset when you change the channel on a tuner
X
X
       
Save entire buffer to a recording
X
 
X
       
Save buffer for current program to recording      
X
X
X
X
               
RECORD FEATURES              
Records HD video without quality loss
(Records in SD)
X
X
X
X
X
X
Records Dolby Digital 5.1 surround sound
X
X
X
X
X
X
Timer-based recording (records using VCR-like timers)
X
X
X
(User option)
(User option)
   
Name-based recording (records and tracks programs by their name)      
X
X
X
X
Record only new episodes and ignore repeats option      
X
X
X
X
Custom series recordings to record by user-defined criteria      
X
X
   
Series manager to prioritize what is recorded when 3+ programs conflict      
X
X
X
X
Adjusts schedule automatically when programs change their days, times, and/or lengths      
X
X
X
X
Programs missed due to conflicts are automatically recorded the next time they air      
X
X
X
X
Overlap protection to eliminate conflicts when programs overlap by up to 5 minutes      
X
X
   
Keeps recorded history to prevent same program from recording twice      
X
X
X
X
Restrict series recordings to a single timeslot      
(Req manual timer)
(Req manual timer)
X
X
Start recordings early or end late
(Schedule edit)
(Schedule edit)
X
X
X
X
X
Keep only the last X episodes of a show      
X
X
X
X
Keep each recording "until I delete" or "until space is needed"    
X
X
X
X
X
Deletes oldest recording (not "keep until I delete") when space req'd for new recording    
(Bugged)
X
X
X
X
Record from antenna and cable channels simultaneously      
X
X
   
Record composite/s-video input
X
           
Edit recorded video
X
(Only after offload)
 
(Only after offload)
(Only after offload)
   
               
GUIDE FEATURES              
Guide implementation
None
None
Grid / TiVo-style
Grid-style guide details    
9 channels
3 hrs per channel
8 channels
1.5 hrs per channel
?
6 channels
3 hrs per channel
6 channels
3 hrs per channel
Customizable favorites list      
X
X
(Based on usage)
(Based on usage)
Picture window while browsing guide      
(Overlay)
X
X
X
Guide genre filters (show only movies, only sports, etc)      
X
X
X
X
Create recording from program guide selection  
X
X
X
X
X
View program guide without interrupting recorded playback    
X
X
X
X
Record indicators for future programs in guide    
X
 
(Not at release)
X
X
Permanently delete individual channels from box  
X
X
X
X
X
X
Displays antenna and cable channels in a single guide    
X
X
   
Displays digital and analog cable channels in a single guide    
X
X
(With analog dongle)
(With analog dongle)
Connects daily to an Internet time server to ensure accurate clock  
X
 
X
X
X
X
Navigate through guide 90+ minutes at a time  
X
X
X
X
Navigate through guide 24 hours at a time    
X
X
X
X
X
Guide data available for past timeslots      
X
X
   
               
SEARCH FEATURES              
Search program titles and descriptions    
X
X
X
X
X
Search results sorted by name or popularity    
(Name only)
X
X
(Name only)
(Name only)
Search program titles, descriptions, actors, directors, and categories      
X
X
X
X
Search with multiple fields and boolean operators (AND/OR/NOT)      
X
X
   
Save searches      
X
X
   
Record all future matches of a saved search (examples)      
X
X
   
Search available VOD titles on Netflix, Amazon, and Blockbuster      
X
X
   
               
DVR UI              
High-definition DVR interface (with screenshot)  
Some menus
Picture window in menus / Can it be hidden or turned off?    
(Most)
No, always on
 
X
Yes, can be disabled
X
No, always on
X
No, always on
Number of programs shown on recorded list screen
6
7
6
8
9
10
10
Recorded list shows name and date of every recording  
(Only for OTA)
(Name only)
X
X
X
X
Recorded list can be sorted by name or date
(Date only)
(Date only)
X
X
X
(Name only)
(Name only)
Recorded list distinguishes between watched and unwatched programs        
X
   
Multiple episodes of same program grouped into folders with episode names and dates      
X
X
X
X
Play entire folder of recordings, back-to-back with one button press      
X
X
   
Single-click delete with Recently Deleted folder and undelete      
X
X
   
Record schedule shows names and dates of all upcoming programs  
(Locals only)
 
X
X
X
X
Recorded history shows why programs didn't record    
(Limited)
X
X
X
X
Free disk space estimate
X
X
X
(Recently Deleted)
X
X
X
No advertising of any kind
X
X
X
 
X
X
               
CAPACITY EXPANSION              
External drive interface  
USB
 
eSATA
eSATA
eSATA
eSATA
Plug-and-play external drive expansion  
Up to 2 TB
 
Up to 1 TB
Up to 1TB
Up to 6 TB w/ RAID
Up to 6 TB w/ RAID
Maximum recording time with plug-and-play expansion  
300 HD hours
 
165 HD hours
300 HD hours on XL
190 HD hours
300 HD hours on XL
375 HD hours (2TB)
1000 HD hours (RAID)
375 HD hours (2TB)
1000 HD hours (RAID)
Interface seamlessly integrates contents of internal and external drives      
X
X
X
X
Contents of external drive are encrypted and inaccessible to a PC      
X
X
X
X
Allows unlimited number of interchangeable, plug-and-play drives          
X
X
Allows internal hard drive upgrades (voids warranty)
Up to 500 GB
Up to 2 TB
Up to 1 TB
Up to 1.26 TB
Up to 2.1 TB on XL
Up to 2.2 TB
?
?
               
REMOTE SCHEDULING              
Schedule recordings via web and mobile phone      
X
X
X
X
Real-time conflict management for remote scheduling          
X
X
Edit and/or delete scheduled recordings online          
X
X
View list of recorded programs and upcoming recordings online      
X
X
X
X
               
PARENTAL CONTROL OPTIONS              
Separate, content filtered recorded list for children      
X
(Only in SD UI)
   
Require 4-digit PIN to view blocked content    
X
X
X
X
X
Block certain channels (i.e. require PIN to tune)    
X
X
X
X
X
Block TV programs at or above certain rating (ex: TV PG)    
(If info available)
X
X
X
X
Block movies at or above certain rating (ex: R, NC-17)    
(If info available)
X
X
X
X
Block unrated movies and/or TV programs    
X
X
X
X
X
Block all programs with specific content (sexual content, violence, etc)    
(If info available)
X
X
   
Parental controls temporarily disabled when PIN is entered, and then:    
X
X
X
X
X
(a) Parental controls re-enable after channel change or recording exit    
X
     
(b) Parental controls re-enable after a preset time period          
X
X
(c) Parental controls re-enable after period of remote inactivity      
X
X
(Uses preset timer)
(Uses preset timer)
(d) Parental controls re-enable after DVR is set to off/standby      
X
X
(Uses preset timer)
(Uses preset timer)
Parental controls can be turned off completely (with PIN)    
X
X
X
X
X
               
OFFLOAD RECORDINGS              
Offload implementation  
SAMBA, FTP
 
HTTP
View 1, 2
HTTP
View 1, 2
   
Download all recorded files from OTA & unencrypted cable channels  
X
 
X
X
   
Download all recorded files from encrypted cable channels flagged as CCI=0x00    
X
X
   
Download all recorded files from encrypted cable channels flagged as CCI=0x02            
Software to automatically download episodes of favorite series after they record      
X
X
   
All recordings downloaded as is, including full HD with DD5.1  
X
 
X
X
   
View and edit recorded files on a computer  
X
 
X
X
   
Burn recorded files to Blu-ray disk or DVD  
X
 
X
X
   
Transfer recordings to mobile device (iPod, ZuneHD, etc)  
(W/ other software)
 
X
X
   
Transfer HD and SD recorded files from computer back to DVR  
X
 
X
X
   
Format of recorded files  
TS
 
MPG
TS/MPG
   
Network throughput for recorded file downloads  
25Mbps
     
               
MULTI-ROOM FUNCTIONALITY              
Multi-room implementation      
Transfers
to other DVRs
Transfers
to other DVRs
Streams
to DVRs or extenders
Streams
to DVRs or extenders
Network throughput for multi-room      
16-24Mbps
70-90Mbps
?
?
Each DVR can send HD recordings to X rooms simultaneously      
1
1
1
2
Multi-room viewing works with copy protected recordings (ex: HBO)        
(Not at release)
X
X
Pause a recording in one room and resume it in a another      
X
X
X
X
Completed recordings can be viewed in another room      
X
X
X
X
Recordings-in-progress can be viewed in another room        
(Not at release)
X
X
FF/REW through entire recordings without waiting for transfer        
(Not at release)
X
X
All DVRs in home can share a single series manager              
Recorded programs on multiple DVRs are all combined into a single list      
(Sub menu)
X
X
Network throughput sufficient to skip all commercials without delay      
Sometimes
Always
Always
Always
Set-top extenders available to view recorded programs          
X
X
Set-top extenders can schedule, manage, and delete recordings              
Set-top extenders can view EPG and liveTV using DVR's tuners          
X
X
               
PC MEDIA              
DLNA compliant  
X
   
(Not at release)
X
X
DIVX support  
Up to 1080p
 
(Requires PC)
Up to 1080p
Up to 480p
Up to 480p
MPEG-4 AVC and VC-1 support  
X
(Not enabled)
X
X
X
X
WMA Pro 7.1 audio support  
X
   
X
   
Full 1080p output on PC video files  
X
   
X
X
X
Browse network shares without PC software  
X
         
Transfer PC videos to DVR for viewing  
X
 
X
X
   
Stream PC videos to DVR for viewing  
X
 
(Limited)
(Limited)
X
X
Play music stored on computer elsewhere in home
(DVD only)
X
 
X
X
X
X
View pictures stored on computer elsewhere in home
(DVD only)
X
 
X
X
X
X
Play videos, music, or view pictures while recording TV
(DVD only)
   
X
X
X
X
               
NETWORK CONNECTIVITY              
Wired network connection  
100Mbps
100Mbps
100Mbps
100Mbps
100Mbps
100Mbps
Wireless network connection  
802.11n
(Requires bridge)
($39 option)
($39 option)
(Requires bridge)
(Requires bridge)
Connects daily to an Internet time server to ensure accurate clock  
X
 
X
X
X
X
Download software updates using network connection  
X
X
X
X
X
X
Ticker bar to show headlines, stock ticker, sports scores on screen          
X
X
Subscribe to specific RSS video feeds and podcasts      
X
X
   
Amazon OnDemand SD/HD with "TV Passes"      
X
X
   
Blockbuster OnDemand SD/HD      
X
X
   
Roxio CinemaNow        
X
   
Vudu OnDemand HD and HDX            
Netflix SD/HD streaming      
X
X
SD only
(Requires PC)
SD only
(Requires PC)
Youtube  
X
 
X
X
(Requires PC)
(Requires PC)
               
CONNECTIONS              
HDMI
v1.1
v1.3
v1.1
v1.1
v1.3
v1.3
v1.3
Component / S-Video / Composite
X/X/X
-/-/X
X/-/X
X/X/X
X/-/X
X/X/X
X/X/X
Maximum native output resolution
480p
1080p
1080i
1080i
1080p
1080p
1080p
High-definition output through HDMI and component?  
(HDMI only)
X
X
X
X
X
Downconverts HD video to SD over s-video and composite
X
(Composite only)
(Composite only)
X
(Composite only)
X
X
Native output mode to output all video as is without conversion      
X
X
X
X
All HD and SD outputs active simultaneously    
X
X
X
   
Allows 16:9 anamorphic output through SD connections
X
?
X
X
X
   
Coax passthrough for TV tuner
X
 
(When off)
       
Firewire (IEEE 1394)              
             
HARDWARE DETAILS              
System chip
?
Realtek
RTD1283
STMicro
STi7109
Broadcom
BCM7401
Broadcom
BCM7413
Broadcom
BCM7400
Broadcom
BCM7400
Processor Details
Single-core
133MHz(?)
Single-core
400MHz
Single-core
266MHz
Single-core
300MHz
Dual-core
400MHz
Dual-core
350MHz
Dual-core
350MHz
Graphics Details
2D only
2D only
2D only
2D only
2D + 3D
(Supports OpenGL)
2D + 3D
(Supports OpenGL)
2D + 3D
(Supports OpenGL)
System memory
32 MB (?)
SDRAM
256 MB
DDR400
160 MB
DDR400
256 MB
DDR400
512 MB
DDR2-800
256 MB
DDR2-800
512 MB
DDR2-800
Hard drive (internal)
160 GB
(Sold separately)
250 GB
160 GB
1000 GB on XL
320 GB
1000 GB on XL
500 GB
500 GB
Power consumption
33W (in use)
20W (in use)
22W
38W
26W
32W
32W
ENERGY STAR certified        
X
   
               
OTHER              
Multistream CableCard slot
A single "M-CARD" supports all tuners with digital cable
     
X
X
X
X
Supports wired and wireless USB keyboards        
X
   
Requires phone line? Requires Internet connection?
No
No
No
(Req Internet or phone)
(Req Internet or phone)
(Req Internet)
(Req Internet)
Supports cable company OnDemand
No
No
N/A
No
No
No
No
Built-in DVD writer
X
           
               
WARRANTY              
Parts warranty
One year
One year
90 days
One year
One year
One year
One year
Extended warranty available?
Walmart.com
2 years for $20
3 years for $29
 
Sears.com
2yr for $45
TiVo.com
2 years for $30
3 years for $40
TiVo.com
2 years for $30
3 years for $40
   
Cost to repair/replace after warranty expires
?
$369
$300
$150
$150
$75 + parts cost
$75 + parts cost
Cost to transfer lifetime service to a replacement DVR
N/A
N/A
N/A
Free for three years
$199 after three years
Free for three years
$199 after three years
N/A
N/A
               
SCREENSHOTS              
Recorded list  
View 1, 2, 3
View 1, 2, 3, 4
Browse TV      
View 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
   
Program guide  
View 1, 2
View 1, 2
 
View 1, 2
View 1, 2
Program info  
View 1, 2
Record schedule          
Search    
View 1, 2
View 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
View 1, 2
View 1, 2
Main menu    
Progress bar      
Create recording    
Record options    
Manage/edit programs to record        
Network video playback    
View 1, 2
   
Multi-room viewing    
View 1, 2
   
Offload recordings    
View 1, 2, 3
View 1, 2, 3
   
               
VIDEO DEMOS    
View 1, 2
               
DISCUSSION THREADS

A more concise comparison of the DTVPal DVR, Moxi, TiVo Premiere, and DirecTV DVR is linked HERE. This is not a comprehensive feature breakdown; it only lists and compares those features that differ between the four products.

Another DVR sold online is the Channel Master CM-7000PAL. This is a rebadged DTVPal DVR with a longer warranty for an extra $100 MSRP.

Notes

* On most cable systems, installing a CableCard allows one to receive digital versions of all cable channels, thus eliminating the need for analog tuners.

* Third tuner is disabled and unusable when a Cisco STA1520 SDV tuning adapter is connected. Moxi does not exhibit this limitation with the Motorola MTR700 tuning adapter.

* Moxi allows recording of one analog channel when the $129 USB analog dongle is connected. The analog dongle is treated as a separate third or fourth tuner, all of which can be used at the same time.

* This capacity assumes use of 2TB external drive.
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I have Verizon Fios with two tivohds in 2 rooms with cable card rentals. I need fios in a 3rd room, but do not need tivo and also want to avoid renting a STB. Can anybody confirm if the DTVPal will work with verizon fios?

Unlike other cable providers where if you don't want to rent a stb, you can plug the coaxial directly into your tv and receive basic channels, Fios does not allow you to do that. You need a STB!! Kind of annoying.

Please advise. Thank you.
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Future questions regarding specific devices should be asked in the appropriate thread. The thread for each product is linked at the very top of the table; just click the product name to display its thread.

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I have Verizon Fios with two tivohds in 2 rooms with cable card rentals. I need fios in a 3rd room, but do not need tivo and also want to avoid renting a STB. Can anybody confirm if the DTVPal will work with verizon fios?

The DTVPal DVR only works with signals from an antenna. It does not work with cable or FiOS.

There are distribution systems you can use to send the signal from the TiVo (or any other STB/DVR) to another room with full remote access. The best is probably the combination of the Slingcatcher and Slingbox. The Slingbox takes the A/V output and remote signals (using an IR blaster) from the TiVo or any other device, and makes them available on another TV with a Slingcatcher. The Slingcatcher effectively mirrors any device connected to a Slingbox, albeit with loss to picture quality and remote responsiveness.

Call your local Best Buy to see if they have any Slingcatchers left for $99. That product is $199 online, but many stores have (or had) them for $99. If you can find one for $99, then also find a Slingbox Solo or a Slingbox HD. As mentioned above, there is quality loss with this method, so it's most suitable for a third room with a non-HD display.

Another alternative would be some sort of media streamer device, if you are willing to give up liveTV. You could set your PC to download all recordings from the TiVo to a networked hard drive, and then access and play those recordings from a media streaming product like the WDTV Live. Ask in the TiVo thread if you want more information on that.
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I don't understand why you don't list a PC based DVR in the chart. They are certainly still available. I've got 6 Tuners in mine that will record up to 30 programs at once, and the cost is less than most of these and doesn't have most of the limitations of these. And a dual tuner system wouldn't cost as much as any of these with some smart shopping. Only drawback is you have to put it together. Takes about an hour or two.
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I don't understand why you don't list a PC based DVR in the chart. They are certainly still available. I've got 6 Tuners in mine that will record up to 30 programs at once, and the cost is less than most of these and doesn't have most of the limitations of these. And a dual tuner system wouldn't cost as much as any of these with some smart shopping. Only drawback is you have to put it together. Takes about an hour or two.

AVS has a dedicated forum for HTPC solutions. There are some excellent PC software solutions for recording local channels and analog channels, such as Windows Media Center, SageTV, and BeyondTV.

This is a table comparison of standalone DVR products, i.e. consumer electronics devices that do not require PC setup, maintenance, or any kind of PC, Windows, or keyboard navigation to use. They consume 1/4 to 1/6 the electricity of the typical HTPC during recording and playback, although using sleep mode will minimize PC consumption. Picture quality on standalones is generally superior to HTPCs, most of which are not setup to handle the proper color conversion from YPrPb (used by HD content) to RGB (used on computers) output; that is correctable through the right hardware and software, but it increases setup complexity.

If you don't mind the setup and maintenance, which varies in time and effort by platform, then PC software and tuner solutions add TiVo-like DVR functionality for locals and analog channels to an existing PC for a fraction of the price. Unfortunately, cable channels (i.e. non-locals) are available only in encrypted digital form on more and more cable systems, including FiOS, RCN, and soon all Comcast systems. This trend will continue, as other large MSOs plan similar analog->encrypted digital transitions over the next two years.

At this time, only one PC tuner is available to support encrypted digital cable -- the ATI OCUR ($200-$250). That single-tuner product is discontinued and requires a CableCard to support every PC tuner, unlike standalone CE devices which support multiple tuners with a single CableCard. Ceton will address that limitation with their four-tuner CableCard device for Windows 7 Media Center, slated for release by March 31 @ $399. Some $250-$300 dual-tuner solutions for W7MC, including a new CableCard HDHomerun, are expected in 2H 2010.

Specific discussion on Windows Media Center, BeyondTV, and SageTV, as well as the Ceton tuner mentioned above can be found in the AVS Home Theater Computers forum.
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OK, I understand the dedicated part. But must disagree on a some of your equations. With newer hardware, power consumption can be kept at about the same levels as the ones in the chart. And with HDMI out, picture quality is as good if not better than standalone units. Don't have cable, but if I did I wouldn't use a PC for it unless the cableco stb provided firewire out for encrypted channels. OK, I'm outa here. I applaud your chart for feature comparison. Best I've ever seen by a long shot.
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The following table compares the off-air and cable HDTV recorders available for purchase and ownership. These are the only standalone products still available that will record high-definition without a satellite subscription or cable STB/DVR rental fees.

There are satellite DVRs that can receive OTA signals, but those leased DVRs do not function without both a satellite subscription and DVR fee. Cable companies will not activate any other consumer-owned DVRs, aside from those below and the discontinued Sony DHD. The Cisco, Motorola, Pace, and Scientific Atlanta recorders sold on ebay/craigslist will not work on any U.S. cable system.

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This is a table comparison of standalone DVR products, i.e. consumer electronics devices that do not require PC setup, maintenance, or any kind of PC, Windows, or keyboard navigation to use. They consume 1/4 to 1/6 the electricity of the typical HTPC during recording and playback, although using sleep mode will minimize PC consumption. Picture quality on standalones is generally superior to HTPCs, most of which are not setup to handle the proper color conversion from YPrPb (used by HD content) to RGB (used on computers) output; that is correctable through the right hardware and software, but it increases setup complexity.

Not that they are elegant DVRs - but your table does omit non-PC based HD D-VHS recorders, which will record and playback HD video from cable co/fios via firewire (as well as DTV OTA with an ATSC tuner in a firewire display),without a STB if you have a display with firewire in/out,or a stb w firewire. To include all your subscribed premium channels you would still need a cable card to do the decrypting. Verizon charges like $4/month for CC
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Where are D-VHS recorders available as "new" stock? (as opposed to refurbs like the batch that recently appeared at B&H Photo)
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They are not.

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I wonder what kind of reincarnation this is?

http://www.channelmasterstore.com/CM...cm-7000pal.htm

Expected delivery about April 2010.

Dual tuner ATSC - maybe?

A remake of an older product?
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I wonder what kind of reincarnation this is?

http://www.channelmasterstore.com/CM...cm-7000pal.htm

The Channel Master CM-7000PAL is a rebadged DTVPal DVR, albeit with a one-year (instead of 90-day) warranty for an extra $100 MSRP.

Sears has an exclusive on the DTVPal DVR, so the CM7000 DVR is what you will find at other online retailers. Crutchfield and SolidSignal are both taking preorders.
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A very impressive table for the various models.

However, although not present in any, I would suggest in the CONNECTIONS sub-table to include a line for IEEE1394 (MPEG2 TS) for completeness.

IEEE1394 is still relavant because
  1. a lot of people still have D-VHS,
  2. cable company STB's still output it,
  3. it is still a HTPC interface when available,
  4. and it was the technology proposed by the FCC in all the HDTV standards and white papers regarding digital signal communication between all devices until the industry squashed it.

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The row on the chart labeled "Analog channels on cable" is misleading. I'll explain.

Many cable systems offer analog tiers. But most of these systems also use STBs which lack an analog tuner (i.e. the Cisco/SA8240HDC DVR, etc.) The solution? The channels on these analog tiers are simulcast on as a 256QAM digital signal on another frequency. The STB tunes the digital channel, while the TV tuner will tune the NTSC analog signal.

For example, if channel 31 is selected on the TV's remote control, the TV tunes to CNN on NTSC channel 31 at 267MHz. If the remote for the DVR is instructed to tune to channel 31, it tunes to CNN on 256QAM at 489MHz.

So, the Moxi (and other DVRs with digital only tuners) will receive those analog tiers just fine without the optional $129 "dongle."

How do you know if the analog tier is simulcast digitally on your cable system? You can a) ask your cable company, b) check the diagnostic pages of your STB, or c) form a list of all of the STBs used on your system, and check the manufacturer's website to see if any of them have digital only tuners.
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I found this http://www.frys.com/product/6147839?...H:MAIN_RSLT_PG

I'm hoping it's what I'm thinking it is, but it's too good to be true.

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I found this http://www.frys.com/product/6147839?...H:MAIN_RSLT_PG

I'm hoping it's what I'm thinking it is, but it's too good to be true.

The Channel Master CM7000PAL is a rebranded DTVPal DVR for an extra $70-$100 with one-year warranty. The hardware and software is identical to the DTVPal DVR listed in the table.

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The row on the chart labeled "Analog channels on cable" is misleading. I'll explain.

Many cable systems offer analog tiers. But most of these systems also use STBs which lack an analog tuner (i.e. the Cisco/SA8240HDC DVR, etc.) The solution? The channels on these analog tiers are simulcast on as a 256QAM digital signal on another frequency. The STB tunes the digital channel, while the TV tuner will tune the NTSC analog signal.

Some people are only interested in basic cable, i.e. the $15/mo plan from the cable company.

Aside from locals, digital tiers are almost always encrypted and unavailable without digital cable and a CableCard.

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For example, if channel 31 is selected on the TV's remote control, the TV tunes to CNN on NTSC channel 31 at 267MHz. If the remote for the DVR is instructed to tune to channel 31, it tunes to CNN on 256QAM at 489MHz.

Digital simulcast, also known as analog-digital simulcast or "ADS," is available to the vast majority of digital cable subscribers. That said, it still isn't available everywhere. In perhaps 20-25% of markets, "ADS" also requires a Cisco SDV tuning adapter which supports a maximum of two tuners.
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Some people are only interested in basic cable, i.e. the $15/mo plan from the cable company.

Aside from locals, digital tiers are almost always encrypted and unavailable without digital cable and a CableCard.

Point being? If ADS is being used, it is used on this tier, too. Thus, the analog adapter would not be needed.

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Digital simulcast, also known as digital-analog simulcast or "ADS," is available to the vast majority of digital cable subscribers. That said, it still isn't available everywhere. In perhaps 20-25% of markets, "ADS" also requires a Cisco SDV tuning adapter which supports a maximum of two tuners.

Then perhaps the chart should have an asterisk, with the note: "Not necessary on a "vast majority" of analog cable tiers. How many potential Moxi purchasers see that added expense on the chart and decide not to consider a Moxi, not knowing that the analog adapter is not even needed on their cable system?
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Point being? If ADS is being used, it is used on this tier, too. Thus, the analog adapter would not be needed.

A significant percentage of cable customers (roughly 1/3) still don't have digital service. Not every customer with extended basic (i.e. 50-60 analog channels) has or wants to pay for the encrypted digital tier. Many are content with the analog cable channels + unencrypted HD locals. I understand that digital versions of the analog channels are available for a negligible premium (ex: $0 to $6/mo) for many, but that is not the case for everyone.

Many living in apartments, condominiums, and communities receive the full lineup of analog channels as part of their monthly rent, association, and/or maintenance fees. In these cases, the individual tenant or owner often has no direct relationship with the cable company, so they are forced to pay full price for digital cable if they want digital versions of those channels. That is on top of what they are already required to pay to their landlord or association.

The Moxi does not support analog channels out of the box. I can't mislead members and suggest that Moxi offers that feature when it does not. I made it clear that Moxi supports both unencrypted and encrypted digital channels. The line item for encrypted digital channels even mentions CNN, TNT, USA, ESPN, and HBO. I just added an additional note at the bottom, and I am open to suggestions as to how I might rephrase feature descriptions.

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Then perhaps the chart should have an asterisk, with the note: "Not necessary on a "vast majority" of analog cable tiers.

As a guesstimate, ADS might be available on 65% of U.S. cable systems without a SDV tuning adapter and 90% with a tuning adapter. That may be the vast majority, but it still leaves millions of customers without access to digital versions of their analog channels. As an example, virtually no Comcast customers in VA and MD (my area) have ADS.
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A significant percentage of cable customers (roughly 1/3) still don't have digital service.

Digital service is not needed, nor is it the question. I only had analog service before I got my DVR, and had no idea that my analog tier channels were actually being received by my cable box on "stealth" digital channels. See, my cable box only had a digital tuner. If I pressed "14" on my cable box remote, it would tune KTLA on 585 MHz 256QAM. If I pressed "14" on my TV remote, the TV would tune KTLA on 123 MHz NTSC. I never knew this until I discovered that my cable box had no analog tuner - even though it was being used by analog only customers. Moxi owners who subscribe to analog only cable will likely NOT need the analog tuning option if their cable system utilizes ANY of the Motorola or Cisco/SA STBs that do not have analog tuners (of which there are more than two dozen.)

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Many living in apartments, condominiums, and communities receive the full lineup of analog channels as part of their monthly rent, association, and/or maintenance fees. In these cases, the individual tenant or owner often has no direct relationship with the cable company, so they are forced to pay full price for digital cable if they want digital versions of those channels. That is on top of what they are already required to pay to their landlord or association.

If their cable system uses any of the STBs with no analog tuner, those versions are already there in "stealth" form. They may be already tuning them with their STB without knowing it. They would only pay the $1-$2 or so charge for the Moxi's CableCARD.

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The Moxi does not support analog channels out of the box.

No, but it will tune the "stealth" digital versions of those channels with just a CableCARD.

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I just added an additional note at the bottom, and I am open to suggestions as to how I might rephrase feature descriptions.

I saw the new note. Hope people don't think that just because they don't know that their cable box might already be tuning those "stealth" digital frequencies instead of the analog frequencies that they need the analog option.

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As an example, virtually no Comcast customers in VA and MD (my area) have ADS.

They have an analog tier? They deploy none of the Motorola or Cisco/SA digital only STBs anywhere on their system? I have a partial list of Motorola and Cisco/SA digital only STBs if you want it.
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Digital service is not needed, nor is it the question.

By digital service, I am referring to anyone with a digital box. That's around 2/3 of cable customers. The rest go straight to their TV without any kind of box.

Many of these customers receive the analog versions of CNN, TNT, USA, etc, but they are not entitled to any kind of digital box or CableCard, because of how the contract was negotiated by their apartment complex and/or condominium association. Each resident is a customer of their building/complex and has no direct ties to the cable company; they have no account to authorize for digital service.

A resident can contact their cable company and subscribe to digital basic service to get the digital versions of their analog channels, but they have to pay the full price of service (i.e. $60/mo), not the $0-$6 premium it would normally cost over the analog service they already receive as part of their rent and/or maintenance fees.

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See, my cable box only had a digital tuner. If I pressed "14" on my cable box remote, it would tune KTLA on 585 MHz 256QAM.

I am quite familiar with ADS, and the transition to digital-only equipment and cable service. I've posted about it for years.

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Moxi owners who subscribe to analog only cable will likely NOT need the analog tuning option if their cable system utilizes ANY of the Motorola or Cisco/SA STBs that do not have analog tuners (of which there are more than two dozen.)

By definition, analog cable customers don't have a digital box. If they had a box, they would be digital cable customers, regardless of whether they pay for a separate tier of digital-only channels. This is the definition used by cable companies when reporting numbers of analog and digital cable subscribers; it has nothing to do with premium tiers, only whether the customer has a box.

I had ADS at my former residence. Extended basic analog cable was around $60/mo, and "digital basic" with digital versions of the same channels was $62/mo. This $2/mo premium for "digital basic" entitled the customer to their choice of a digital box or a CableCard. Without that digital basic tier, the customer couldn't receive the encrypted digital versions of their analog cable channels with a CableCard.

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They have an analog tier? They deploy none of the Motorola or Cisco/SA digital only STBs anywhere on their system?

That's correct.

Over on the TiVo forums, you can read about a number of such systems. The current TiVo HD software has a bug that causes analog channels to periodically "go out." This problem causes havoc for customers on cable systems without ADS. The issue is mentioned and linked in the comparison table.
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By digital service, I am referring to anyone with a digital box. That's around 2/3 of cable customers. The rest go straight to their TV without any kind of box.

Just because they have no box doesn't mean their system doesn't use ADS. If anybody on their system uses a STB with a digital only tuner, the system utilizes ADS.

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Many of these customers receive the analog versions of CNN, TNT, USA, etc, but they are not entitled to any kind of digital box or CableCard, because of how the contract was negotiated by their apartment complex and/or condominium association.

Then I doubt that they would be in the market for an HD DVR in the first place. It sounds like a standard ol' VCR should suit them just fine.

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By definition, analog cable customers don't have a digital box.

Again, the use of a digital only box anywhere on the system means that ADS is being used. What an individual subscriber has, or what an apartment building full of subscribers have, is irrelevant. If any of the more than two dozen models of digital only STBs are being used on the system, the system uses ADS. The "boxless" subscriber is quite irrelevent.

Bottom line: The overwhelming majority of analog cable subscribers are not aware of what ADS is, or if ADS is utilized by their cable company. Knowing that their - or their neighbor's - STB does not have an analog tuner would tell them that. Saying that the Moxi needs a $129 analog tuner to receive these "analog" channels is quite misleading. The asterisk and note that you added does help clarify the situation somewhat. That was the intent of my original post.
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Maybe time for an update now that TiVO Premier is out?
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Maybe time for an update now that TiVO Premier is out?

The TiVo Premiere doesn't ship for three weeks (eta early April).

I added the TiVo Premiere to the list, but some details are still unknown.
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I hope this doesn't sound like a dumb question:

Is it safe to say that none of these DVRs are capable of picture-in-picture (PIP)? My HD cable box (SA 8300HD) has had this for 5+ years. Shouldn't this be widely available on multi-tuner DVRs?

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Is it safe to say that none of these DVRs are capable of picture-in-picture (PIP)? My HD cable box (SA 8300HD) has had this for 5+ years. Shouldn't this be widely available on multi-tuner DVRs?

Yes.

Of the DVRs in the table, only the Moxi and the discontinued TiVo Series3 (and maybe the TiVo Premiere) have the hardware necessary to support PIP. Neither has demonstrated PIP support in software.

Decoding a second HD channel requires a substantial amount of memory and memory bandwidth. Both tend to be in short supply on DVRs, and most manufacturers would rather use their resources to support enhanced multi-room functionality.
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Yes.

Of the DVRs in the table, only the Moxi and the discontinued TiVo Series3 (and maybe the TiVo Premiere) have the hardware necessary to support PIP. Neither has demonstrated PIP support in software.

Decoding a second HD channel requires a substantial amount of memory and memory bandwidth. Both tend to be in short supply on DVRs, and most manufacturers would rather use their resources to support enhanced multi-room functionality.

Cox will soon(?) deploy the Explorer 86xx HD DVR, which supports both PiP and multi-room use. Other than that, I have few specifics.
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Have anyone heard or use this
DVB-T FULL HD RECORDER HDD media player or BT3549HD 1080p Dual tuner recorder media player
or know where to get one of these players.
http://ebluetimes.en.alibaba.com/pro...ia_player.html

http://ebluetimes.en.alibaba.com/pro...ia_player.html
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Have anyone heard or use this
DVB-T FULL HD RECORDER HDD media player or BT3549HD 1080p Dual tuner recorder media player
or know where to get one of these players.
http://ebluetimes.en.alibaba.com/pro...ia_player.html

http://ebluetimes.en.alibaba.com/pro...ia_player.html
Thanks

DVB-T is not used in the United States for television service. Those products are intended for overseas markets.
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Hi,

I am looking for Multi media that has a combination of both Tivx 6620 and DTVPal.

Is there a Multi media with dual tuner that combines both Tivx 6620 N and DTVPal since Tivx it does not have playback capability while recording and it doesn't have program listing either. While the DTVPal doesn't unable to download and play avi, mpeg, etc ...

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