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post #1 of 16 Old 03-04-2002, 09:22 PM - Thread Starter
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I've been following this group casually, but haven't seen any way to record DirecTV HD. The below site looks like it has a new update today, and I think they're saying you can record the satellite signals with something new they have. However, these guys obviously excel at engineering rather than straight-forward prose because I'm having a hell of a time deciphering it! : )

Can somebody fill me in on this? Is this finally a way to record HD signals from DirecTv? I'm not concerned with the OTA part... my AccessDTV card does that just great already.

Thanks!

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If you dig back through this forum you will
find that "169time" has a sordid history of
missed delivery dates and "bad customer service"
(to put it mildly). They seem to be trying
to clean up their act but tread carefully
when considering their products.

With that said - they still don't offer a way
to record DirecTV.

They have two main products:

1> Record OTA from a DTC-100 to a D-VHS.
(but it still doesn't let the DTC-100 record
the satellite channels).
2> Record FTA satellite from a Unity Motion
1000 receiver to D-VHS. This lets you record
some large-dish satellite HDTV chans like
ABC & PBS feeds as well as some HDnet live
event uplinks (if you can find them).
Pretty cool stuff but not exactly what most
people want.
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My understanding is that the Unity Motion 169time mod can only reliably record the FTA satellite transmissions of PBS. ABC and NBC use too high a bitrate for consumer recorders like the Panny and JVC to handle. CBS is digicypher II encoded and also uses too high a bitrate for consumer recorders.

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Originally posted by h2ofun
No one can record direct TV today.
W-VHS
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From the 169time site, at the bottom of the page,
implies that despite the headline at the top,
this is not ready yet:

Quote:
How can I record satellite HDTV with my DTC100 sooner?

This is planned as an update to our HDVR-100 recording adapter product. It's availability and shipment has a very high priority with 169Time. We
won't announce it for sale until it is ready to ship. We expect a tremendous response to that offering and there will likely be delays since it will take
us a while to ramp up production.

When this is offered as an updated feature for the existing HDVR-100-2 product, those people that already have that product will be able to get the
upgrade turned around faster than we can make and install completely new HDVR units. Avoid the big rush and get the HDVR-100-2 now.
I was in the adapter business for a while, its
brutal, because the equipment makers you are
making the adapter for really don't like you and
are changing their software all the time.

I'll probally order one (of the install yourself
kits) if I see more green lights on this product,
but of course there are probally a lot of folks
who would also do this if it works unconditionally.
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Originally posted by h2ofun
Ricahard and I talked about again about this. There is no doubt it is 169times number one priority. Doesnt mean when it will happen other than it is sure being worked on. Know anyone else trying. It isnt easy.

dave
Then perhaps it might be a good idea to remove
the claim from the web site ? It does say at the
top that the satellite feature works......
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Plus the HDVR-Uma version of the product records only satellite sources (though not DirecTV or Dish Net).

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Yep, it does work with the dish5000.

dave
ANY OTA recorder including computer access cards work with the dish 5000 (with HD modulator) since it sends out a OTA 8VSB signal.

The Website says: Our products enable the time shifting (recording) of Digital and true High Definition TV signals from both satellite and OTA broadcasts using the convenience and low cost of video tape.

Since the 5000 sends out an OTA signal, this statement is incorrect if referring to the 5000. It implies that a satellite signal can be recorded, and since the website references the DTC100 a person looking at it could surmise that this product will in fact record the DirecTV satellite signal.

The way this is written just shows the contempt this company has for truthful advertising.

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How can anyone (even you) be positive about 169time????? Why are you putting your energy into promoting this rediculous outfit? Especially if you don't get paid as you had mentioned. Don't you have anything better to do?

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Because they have the only working product of its kind in the world. And when the extra features work, sure hope you dont have the guts to try and buy one.

dave
That is what's really sad about it. Under normal circumstances I would buy one of those things, but I just don't like people that engage in dishonest business practices and I don't think they deserve to be successful in business, no matter what product they have.

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Sorry, but they have not done dishonest business practices.
You just have it in for them like wirehead rick so no matter what they do or say, you wont be happy. Sure are a lot of others out there like me who cant be any happier!!!!

dave

ACCEPTING PAYMENTS AND NOT DELIVERING MERCHANDISE EVER OR FOR MANY MONTHS, AFTER ADVERTISING THAT MERCHANDISE WILL BE SHIPPED PROMTLY, IS DISHONEST TO SAY THE LEAST.

wirehead rick has a right to be upset about such practices.
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Sorry, but they have not done dishonest business practices.
If it were not for the people who were duped last year that would be a funny statement. Why can't you(they) just admit that mistakes were made and that the early customers were not treated in an honest and forthright manner. Then maybe your company could have some credibility. It sounds to me like you could treat new customer the same way as the older ones and you would see nothing wrong with that. That's too bad. As it stands now and especially since I keep hearing statements like the one above your company has no credibility with me.

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What else can I say that I havent said many many times about this already?
It would help a great deal to stop defending their past business practices and stop making statements like "Sorry, but they have not done dishonest business practices". I don't know if they ever "stole anyones money" or not, but I find it incredulous for anyone (especially you) to believe they were honest with their early customers. I don't say this with any malice towards you or anyone else, I'm just letting you know how bad these kinds of statements make you and 169time look to potential customers. BTW, I have probably read almost every single 169time related thread over the past year.

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Bernard, unless you have facts about your statements, why do you continue to make them? Every person who ordered has had a chance to get product. Most all do and atleast one more I know of will be this month.


Dave
Facts? It's not that hard to find facts right on this forum. There are many threads about 169time's business practices documented, such as for example: 169time Solution (Law Enforcement)


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hlight=169time

Anyone potentially wanting to do business with 169time should have a chance to view this information.

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The 169Time Web site is indeed misleading on the subject of satellite recording, but I don't believe it's intentionally so: it's a consequence of the way the text evolved since they "revived" the product with the introduction of the Unity Motion board via that short-lived shadow company (GVT Technologies or whatever it was called).

The Web page in its current form jumbles together information about the modified Unity Motion STB with information about the modified DTC-100, and about the JVC decks, that was added later. The UM product does indeed permit the recording of satellite signals, and it's in no way dodgy for them to claim so. But it's not surprising that people are confused by the claim, considering how all this information is presented.

The Web site needs to be re-organized and rewritten to make it very clear that there are two products with different capabilities. Like I said, they need to take the Web site seriously. "We're too busy doing real work" is not an acceptable reply to this, nor a wise one.

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Bernard, Richard would like to talk to you.

Please call him at 5302689605

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