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Seriously, who wouldnt really want a bigger hard drive, in anything that uses one? Gaining more recording time is what I'd like to do with this unit, and it would all be in Hi Definition. I would rather use only 1 device to record to, and to watch the recording in Hi Defintion. If its recorded to DVD its only Std Def and that definitely doesnt interest me at all. I'd rather watch live than record it......

Sorry your DTV-Pal gave out How long was it in use before it died? What was it that failed on it?

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Hey thanks for the link, this one will work for sure?

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Don't know -- never tried it. It's listed in the DTV PAL Post#1..
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Seriously, who wouldnt really want a bigger hard drive, in anything that uses one? Gaining more recording time is what I'd like to do with this unit, and it would all be in Hi Definition. I would rather use only 1 device to record to, and to watch the recording in Hi Defintion. If its recorded to DVD its only Std Def and that definitely doesnt interest me at all. I'd rather watch live than record it......

Sorry your DTV-Pal gave out How long was it in use before it died? What was it that failed on it?

One of them died within 2 months, was still under warranty, so I lost everything on the hard drive when I had to send it in for a refund.
The older one was one of the originals, so was used about 2 years, and that's the one that had a ton of stuff on it that I wanted to save. Since I don't know what happened to make either of them just stop working while they were turned off, I'm keeping that one in hopes I can transfer the drive one day to a working unit to see if my recordings are still there. Haven't been able to find anyone to try to diagnose/repair it yet, because I've been sidetracked by a refurbed CM Pal that keeps randomly rebooting. Before that one ends up dying too, I am trying not to record much on it, and watch the recordings ASAP. Waiting for a CM tech to call me back, but I will probably just end up calling the warranty dept and swapping it out. :-(
I still will always want one of these as long as I have older TVs that need a converter box, and I especially love to be able to control live TV, I just don't trust them for saving recordings anymore, so a bigger hard drive would be too tempting to store things to watch later, resulting in eventually never being able to watch them if the hard drive fails.
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... Since I don't know what happened to make either of them just stop working while they were turned off, ...

Why turned off?
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Why turned off?

They were still plugged in, I just meant I wasn't using them at the time. Found one with both red and green lights on when it wasn't even set to record anything, and when I turned it on to see what was up, there was no display.
The newer one just wouldn't respond to the remote to even get the green light to turn on. There was a ticking sound coming from the right side, but that's all it would do when plugged in. I tried the remote from my other unit, so I know it wasn't low batteries.
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They were still plugged in, I just meant I wasn't using them at the time...

Ah OK. I am planning to unplug mine for the summer (nothing to record and watch).
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Seriously, who wouldnt really want a bigger hard drive, in anything that uses one?

It really is a curse, isn't it. one can never have enough HDD space or RAM -- whether you really need it or not isn't the issue -- you just gotta have it. I just can't stand to see a bay sit empty or a RAM slot unoccupied. Just doesn't seem right.

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If you're right, then why would you want a bigger hard drive? Anything you save on it will be GONE. I am still mourning the loss of the over 20 hours of things that were on the DTV Pal that died recently. Now I watch things ASAP and never put anything on there that I want to keep a copy of, because I never get around to transferring it off to a disc or tape. I record "keepers" directly to my DVD recorder.

How do you transfer from DVD PAL to DVD or computer?
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How do you transfer from DVD PAL to DVD or computer?

You need to hook the output of the DVR up to either a DVD recorder or an encoder box for a PC and play the title from the DVR in real time into the recording device. This involves a D to A to D conversion and you may also be limited in having to record in down-converted SD. Both of which will impact the PQ of the transfer.

Only a TiVo offers ethernet transfers of recordings in HD/5.1 without analog conversions.

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You need to hook the output of the DVR up to either a DVD recorder or an encoder box for a PC and play the title from the DVR in real time into the recording device. This involves a D to A to D conversion and you may also be limited in having to record in down-converted SD. Both of which will impact the PQ of the transfer.

Only a TiVo offers ethernet transfers of recordings in HD/5.1 without analog conversions.

Do you have a encoder box recommendation?
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Do you have a encoder box recommendation?

http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr.html

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Well I'm really liking the performance of this machine. Have the antenna split out between this and my hdtv tuner. Very Fast channel changer and nice Guide. I esp like recording 2 shows while watching a third thru the tv tuner. The only thing I'm not liking so much is the hard drive size.....OTA is all I watched for the past 8 years. Family and friends ask way I dont have dish or cable, and over the past 8 years I can give them at least 6700.00 reasons why if you know what I mean....

Has anyone modded one of these CM with a larger hard drive and which one did you use that worked. I looked at the DTV-PAL thread at HD drives that work for that model, but the post is so old that the Hard Drives listed I cant seem to find one currently available...

I'm not to worried about voiding the warranty since I do alot of parts changing with my desktops and never had a problem. I think if this thing craps out it will be the hard drive anyway or a storm surge, rather than quality defect....

True, the list on the PAL site is old! Stick to a 1tb drive - the max with current software in your CM. Western Digital AV-GP drives work. A replacement for the WD10EACS and WD10EADS is the WD10EURS. Read the description for the drive on Amazon. You want a drive manufactured for DVR use. Amazon does list an incorrect replacement for one of the above drives - the WD10EARS. I got it because it was cheaper but decided to check with WD techs. They don't recommend it for DVR use, so I sent it back and told Amazon of their error. The WD10EVDS ($70 at Amazon - http://www.amazon.com/5400RPM-Buffer...9&sr=8-2-fkmr1) also works and is still available. I have 2 of them for my 2 DVR Pals! Ignore the comments from previous users on NewEgg about this drive. It sounds like they were using them as a replacement for a PC drive. These AV drives are slower than many others because speed is not needed for use in DVRs - longevity and reliability is! They are meant to be run 24X7 and not have constant spinning up and down as PC drives do. I have had no problems in 9 months with either. I also believe folks purchased them w/o realizing they are set up for use in DVRs not PCs. If you read the notes concerning replacement drives for the DVR on the DTVPal forum, you have an inkling of what I am talking about.
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thanks for the info!

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What size drive comes with the CM 7000PAL?
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what size drive comes with the cm 7000pal?

250gb.

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... Ignore the comments from previous users on NewEgg about this drive.

It seems to me that the Newegg and Amazon links are pointing to the same drive. What am I missing?

Newegg: Western Digital AV-GP WD10EVDS 1TB 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal AV Hard Drive -Bare Drive

Amazon:Item model number: WD10EVDS
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It seems to me that the Newegg and Amazon links are pointing to the same drive. What am I missing?

Newegg: Western Digital AV-GP WD10EVDS 1TB 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal AV Hard Drive -Bare Drive

Amazon:Item model number: WD10EVDS

The WD10-EVDS is available at both places for the same price. The NewEgg reviews might scare someone off but I believe folks were trying to use this in PCs. The WD10EURS is a newer AV-GP drive replacing the old hard-to-find discontinued models of AV-GP drives. I didn't give the link to it on Amazon because I have not used it personally - WD site lists the current AV-GP drives (http://www.wdc.com/wdproducts/librar...879-701250.pdf). Of course, the DTV_Pal DVR has a 1TB limit on size - I imagine the same for Channel Master unit.
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I have several questions about the Channel Mater DVR before I purchase it:

1) When recording a show from the guide such as "House" which is from 8pm to 9pm, if I schedule it to begin recording 2 minutes early (7:58pm), when it has completed recording will it show in My Recordings List as "House" or will it be listed as the show that was on at 7:58pm? (for instance as "The Office" if it is on from 7:30 to 8:00).

2) I have read that if you have the unit scheduled to record 1 show (say from 8 to 9) and then have 2 shows scheduled to begin at 9 that it will only record 1 of those 2 shows scheduled at 9 (someone recommended that you should record an extra earlier show so as to go from 2 recordings to 2 recordings so as to avoid this problem). Is this a constant problem with this unit or a rare fluke?

3) I have also read that this unit has problems with its clock syncing up to maintain the correct time and also adjusting to Daylight Savings Time. Are these a constant problem with this unit or a rare fluke?

Any info that you can provide as to the above will be appreciated.
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When recording a show from the guide such as "House" which is from 8pm to 9pm, if I schedule it to begin recording 2 minutes early (7:58pm), when it has completed recording will it show in My Recordings List as "House" or will it be listed as the show that was on at 7:58pm? (for instance as "The Office" if it is on from 7:30 to 8:00).

Assuming that you select "House" from the Guide and have the default padding set to start 2 minutes early and to include 2 minutes extra at the end, the recording will be labeled "House" and shown as 64 minutes long. You can adjust the padding for start and end times (I have mine set for 1 minute early and 2 extra minutes at the end. Titles are always correct).

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I have read that if you have the unit scheduled to record 1 show (say from 8 to 9) and then have 2 shows scheduled to begin at 9 that it will only record 1 of those 2 shows scheduled at 9 (someone recommended that you should record an extra earlier show so as to go from 2 recordings to 2 recordings so as to avoid this problem). Is this a constant problem with this unit or a rare fluke?

The DVR has two tuners. If you have padding at start and end (as you should because shows often aren't precisely on time), then one tuner will still be recording the first show (until 9:02 in your example), so only a single tuner will be available at 8:58 to start recording one of the 9 o"clock shows. The other will be missed.

A workaround I use if the 8 PM show and one of the 9 PM shows is on the same channel is to manually set time for that channel to record from 7:58 to 10:02 PM (like a VCR timer). Both shows then are recorded in one 124 minute recording (you lose the titles, so again, it is similar to a VCR recording). The second 9 PM show can then be selected from the Guide normally.

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I have also read that this unit has problems with its clock syncing up to maintain the correct time and also adjusting to Daylight Savings Time. Are these a constant problem with this unit or a rare fluke?

I've read dozens of posts in the other forum about time shifts in some parts of the country. Unless you set time on the DVR manually, and I certainly don't want to do that, you are at the mercy of the local station which transmits TVGOS in your area. The time shift problem, when it occurs, is the fault of the station, not the DVR (garbage in, garbage out, don't shoot the messenger). In my case, the local PBS station transmitting TVGOS has worked flawlessly. I have never found the time to be off, not even by a minute.

I can offer no input on Daylight Saving Time, other than to say my CM-7000PAL switched correctly last month. That's the only changeover that has occurred since I bought my DVR.

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Hello to all,
New CM-7000PAL owner here. Got the unit yesterday, I am overall pleased. I do have one issue I wonder if others are having. I did read the first post of the Dish DTVPal DVR forum, but not all 400+ pages... A piece of important information: I am located in Montreal, Canada, therefore I do not have the TVGOS, only the PSIP channel information.

Hi info_Dan,

I have the same problem as you. I have my pal since last May. During the normal time period, everything is good for the time and the guide. When we get back to advance time, the problem was back. I ask Channel Master to exchange my unit to solve my problem. I receive the new unit yesterday, test it and found that I still have the problem.

Maybe our five station transmit something bad in their Psip, or there is a bug in the firmware of the Pal, witch affect the control of the LST when generating guide from Psip information.

Is there someone that have a CM-7000Pal, live in the Montreal, Quebec, Canada region, and have no problem with the time and the Psip generated
TV guide?

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Glad (in a sad sort of way) to know I'm not alone... As I mentionned in a previous post, I don't believe it's the stations. The stations transmit time in GMT/UTC. The diagnostics screen shows that their time is correct, but the unit is not applying DST. I did send an email to Support@channelmasterstore.com almost a month ago, but never got any reply. Are you able to change the state of the DST flag on the time zone screen (I'm not)? For now, I'm living with the unit in standard time and mentally adding an hour to current or guide times...

My unit also spontaneously reboots while watching, once every two-three days (and I don't watch tv that much!). Did you observe the same behavior on your previous unit?

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My unit also spontaneously reboots while watching, once every two-three days (and I don't watch tv that much!). Did you observe the same behavior on your previous unit?

Dan.

Have you disabled the automatic check for firmware updates?
You're lucky it only reboots that infrequently, whether or not you disabled that. My refurb was rebooting several times a day, sometimes within 10 minutes of another one. I am thrilled to say that FedEx picked that piece of junk up today to return it to ChannelMaster, and the one they sent me to replace it went several hours last night without a reboot. Fingers crossed, knock wood that I have a good unit this time!
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Hi info_Dan

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I did send an email to Support@channelmasterstore.com almost a month ago, but never got any reply.

The support at Channel Master seem not very well organised. I have to use repetitive email everyday to have an answer.

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Are you able to change the state of the DST flag on the time zone screen (I'm not)? For now, I'm living with the unit in standard time and mentally adding an hour to current or guide times...

The DST flag is like your, always on, you put it to off and it came back to on as soon as you get back to the time zone screen. If you look at the time in that screen, when you change time zone, the time change. If you change DST flag, the time do not change.

For your reboot, disable the automatic check for firmware update, and you can also disable the TVGOS in the preference, because the is no TVGOS in montreal region.

I ask the question again!

Is there anyone, that live in the montreal region that have no time and guide time problem with a CM-7000Pal?

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The support at Channel Master seem not very well organised. I have to use repetitive email everyday to have an answer...

DTV Pal and many other companies as well.
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I've read dozens of posts in the other forum about time shifts in some parts of the country. Unless you set time on the DVR manually, and I certainly don't want to do that, you are at the mercy of the local station which transmits TVGOS in your area. The time shift problem, when it occurs, is the fault of the station, not the DVR (garbage in, garbage out, don't shoot the messenger). In my case, the local PBS station transmitting TVGOS has worked flawlessly. I have never found the time to be off, not even by a minute.

I can offer no input on Daylight Saving Time, other than to say my CM-7000PAL switched correctly last month. That's the only changeover that has occurred since I bought my DVR.

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Hi A J,

It's been a while since I last looked at these units, and last I checked, the DTVPal (which from everything I've read, seems to be the same as this, except that the DTVPal is cheaper, discontinued, and harder to find) had problems with setting the time manually. I've read that if TVGOS or PSIP is available in your area, the time you receive from those sources overrides the manual clock setting. Is this problem finally fixed, so you can ignore all external time sources and EPG information and just force the unit to record at specific times solely based on a clock you set yourself, thus eliminating the possibility of faulty TVGOS/PSIP information causing you to miss your program? (I've also read that the clock in the unit can randomly become wrong even if you set it yourself... is this true?)

Assuming that is now possible, I guess that would also force you to give up the ability to set your timers to start early and end late while still having the entire recording given the name of the show you were trying to capture. If having a completely autonomous clock is finally possible though, that may be a sacrifice worth making for me.

I'm actually still using a VCR, and since it's starting to fail and I can't find any suitable replacements, I'm reconsidering getting one of these. Since I've survived all this time without an EPG or automatically-named recordings, I would much prefer timer reliability to the EPG features. I've noticed that the PSIP-provided times on some of my channels are an hour off at times, so I'd rather not rely on them. I can't comment on the reliability of TVGOS, since my converter box doesn't support it. In theory, my TVGOS provider would be KPIX (the CBS San Francisco affiliate).

Thanks for any advice you or others can provide.
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I've read that if TVGOS or PSIP is available in your area, the time you receive from those sources overrides the manual clock setting. Is this problem finally fixed, so you can ignore all external time sources and EPG information and just force the unit to record at specific times solely based on a clock you set yourself, thus eliminating the possibility of faulty TVGOS/PSIP information causing you to miss your program?

If the time is inaccurate the only way I know to alter it is to set it manually. And, the only way I know to do that is to delete the station (WTVI in my case) which transmits TVGOS. As long as TVGOS is being received, the "Set Date Time" in the "Installation" menu shows "Time has been acquired from TVGOS" and the manual time set feature is not functional.

I have deleted WTVI as an experiment. After a reboot I could set the date and time manually. Of course, I lost the 8-day TVGOS and the 3 sub-channels for WTVI. The Guide then had only the PSIP, ranging from 8 to 24 hours for the remaining channels. I then added WTVI and got back to normal.

Thankfully, WTVI has been flawless with TVGOS and the time setting throughout the 4 months I have owned my CM-7000PAL.

Maybe someone else knows a way to manually set time while retaining TVGOS. The manual doesn't have anything that I've found, but I haven't looked very hard since it was only a matter of curiosity after reading so many posts about time problems in the other AVS forum.

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Been lurking in this thread for a month or so since I bought the CM7000PAL refurb'd from CMstore. We love it. We had dish network and were paying them $90 a month for a bunch of programming we never watched and a DVR and bedroom receiver.

Gotta say that so far the unit has been great. Haven't had any major guide/listing problems. It's recorded our shows. I have had it lock up twice while using the guide; not sure but think I was just moving my fingers faster than it could think. Holding down the power button on the remote rebooted it no problem.

Coming from dish DVR interface, the CM7000pal is a breeze to use for us. We like it. The wife wants a 2nd one for the bedroom tv; it's just a cheap sanyo hdtv with just a info button/no guide.
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LOL... this morning my audio wasn't working on any channels, so I held the power button down on the remote and it rebooted. When it came back up and downloaded guide info, the audio worked. Also had to go into the menu and set it back to west coast time.
Quirky... but we still like it.
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LOL... this morning my audio wasn't working on any channels, so I held the power button down on the remote and it rebooted. When it came back up and downloaded guide info, the audio worked. Also had to go into the menu and set it back to west coast time.
Quirky... but we still like it.
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Darn bugs!!! These newer toys are sure buggy compared to the older ones like my old CRT TV (1996) and VCR (from dotcom days).
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