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I have enjoyed reading all the post about this unit and its issues, very useful information. I am considering buying this unit to use for OTA time shift recording and for use as a tuner and I would be interested in your opinions and to learn if anyone knows of a better solution in this price range for these applications.
1. I would like to be able to record a one or two OTA shows a week at the native broadcast resolution to view later. I already have DSS DVR to record my cable channels.
2. I would like to be able to use the unit as a tuner to feed the HDMI input of my digital projector, so that I can view broadcast TV programs with the projector.

Personally, I would love you to buy one to see if the ATSC/8vsb 1080i works well.

I know of nothing currently for sale (new) in this price rance for HD recording that doesn't have a periodic fee attached.
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You are aware of the Channel Master CM-7000PAL HD DVR - AKA Dish DTVPal right...
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You are aware of the Channel Master CM-7000PAL HD DVR - AKA Dish DTVPal right...

Like it says to the left: cable only.
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I have enjoyed reading all the post about this unit and its issues, very useful information. I am considering buying this unit to use for OTA time shift recording and for use as a tuner and I would be interested in your opinions and to learn if anyone knows of a better solution in this price range for these applications.
1. I would like to be able to record a one or two OTA shows a week at the native broadcast resolution to view later. I already have DSS DVR to record my cable channels.
2. I would like to be able to use the unit as a tuner to feed the HDMI input of my digital projector, so that I can view broadcast TV programs with the projector.

You are aware of the Channel Master CM-7000PAL HD DVR - AKA Dish DTVPal right...
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You are aware of the Channel Master CM-7000PAL HD DVR - AKA Dish DTVPal right...

Yes
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So how is this unit for OTA stuff? I read here and there about QAM channels, etc. But I don't just not want to pay for Tivo, but also don't want to hand my money to the cable companies so I can watch more commericals.

I don't care about file name format or military time, who can't adapt to that. Maybe if I have shows from months ago and I got alot of files named YYYYMMDD, but with 30hrs, I won't be saving that much stuff. For data stored on external USB storage, I can plug it into a peecee and rename it from there.

1980's astroid user interface is not a big deal to me either.

Also, what kind of HD media can it play back via its USB? Want to use this to play videos downloaded and there might be a chance that they are of a variety of format/codec.
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I just got the brite View BV980H Digital Antenna HD DVR with 320GB to use with my on Air TV Antenna. After about 1 hour going through and testing it out I would say that it does what it's advertised to do in terms of what I'm interested in and is worth the $199.

The User interface is not the best and the firmware seems to be buggy but it still works for my use. The Remote Control is response time is somewhat delayed as you go through the menus so you just need to slow down when you're working in the menus.

The EPG also is slow with latency because it downloads the guide from the antenna in real-time. So each time that you scroll it downloads the guide. Again you just have to slow down as compared to a cable DVR guide. Still if you're using a TV Antenna instead of cable at least it provides a guide and is functional.

Wendecided to drop our expensive cable and DVR and go to an antenna. We found that with Suddenlink here in Saint Joseph, Missouri, USA we were paying around $1,600 a year just for the Cable+DVR & Phone. This cost was over and above the cost of the Cable Internet that is part of their bundled Package. What we mainly watch is our Netflix and for our phone we only use our cell phones. On the Suddenlink cable we had a lot of channels, but mainly only watched national news, Fox news, Weather Channel, Local News and felt the cost was way too high for what we watched when we could get most of that over the air with an antenna. So we decided to keep the cable Internet and drop the Cable/DVR & Phone.

With our antenna we pickup the local Saint Joseph ABC KQ2 channel & all the Kansas City, Missouri channels plus PBS. Among Kansas City Channels is a great weather channel and good local & National news coverage. For things like the History Channel & NGC Netflix fills that gap very well.

But what we wanted with our new antenna was a TV Schedule Guide and a way to DVR an occasional network series. Although not as sophisticated as a Cable DVR this unit will provide the basic functions.

I keep the unit configured in HDMI Auto for resolution and that seems to work reasonably well for matching the broadcast resolution. One thing that seems to be a problem is that when something finishes recording the resolution goes back to 480i. It doesn't always happen but when it does just go back to the resolution menu and switch it back to HDMI Auto. The recording still happens in 1080i but just go back change the resolution back to HDMI Auto.

The unit apparently only has one tuner so you can only record one channel at a time. Also when you're recording, that is what you'll have to watch. This is irritating but most of the time I would be recording I would not be watching something else anyway so I can live with it.

You can record directly from the EPG. Just find the program and press the record button but remember to go slow so you get the correct program and get it added correctly. Since the EPG is slow it's easy to accidentally select the wrong program or channel. Just be slow and deliberate when you're selecting the program to record. I always go into the menu under rec to make sure the right program is scheduled to record. You can not setup a series to record on a scheduled basis. You will need to setup each recording individually.

Hopefully they provided the firmware upgrade feature because they plan on releasing future updates which will provide an improved User Interface Menu System and an enhanced EPG.

As I learn more from my experiences with this unit I'll post them here.
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I just got the brite View BV980H Digital Antenna HD DVR with 320GB to use with my on Air TV Antenna. After about 1 hour going through and testing it out I would say that it does what it's advertised to do in terms of what I'm interested in and is worth the $199.
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As I learn more from my experiences with this unit I'll post them here.

Very nice review. The remote does take some adapting (if it's the remote).

You should post the same review on the BV site:

http://www.brite-viewforum.com/viewforum.php?f=74

It's not really busy, but there is a place for a wish list. It would be nice if there was an update. Perhaps by 2012.

100% of the time, for me, the output resolution will drop to 480i after a scheduled recording of 1080i. 90% of the time the audio will stop when moving the output back to 1080i. It comes back with a power cycle. As you say, this doesn't affect the recording, only the playback.

I have over 30 HD recordings at the same time, same channel, Mon - Fri. Any guess why they are not all the same size?
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Could be your station does variable bit rate encoding. You could check it on http://www.rabbitears.info/market.php
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Could be your station does variable bit rate encoding. You could check it on http://www.rabbitears.info/market.php

Probably right. But do you ever notice the change? One hour is 7.5 GB give or take 1GB. Strange though, I would have expected 18GB for one hour at 1080i.
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I have a DTVpal so I really don't see that number.

I don't know if my logic is correct but assuming a HD stream is 14 megabits per second:

14000000x 60x 60=5.04E+10
A file size of 50,400,000,000 bits can also be expressed as *

50,400,000,000 .......... bits
6,300,000,000 .......... bytes
6,152,343.75 ....... kilobytes
6,008.1481933593 megabytes
5.86733222 . gigabytes
0.0057298166 terabytes
0.0000055955 petabytes
0.0000000054 exabytes
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Welcome to the board. We could use more OTA'ers here.Since myself and others use this unit with cable only we can use your input.
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I have a DTVpal so I really don't see that number.

I don't know if my logic is correct but assuming a HD stream is 14 megabits per second:

14000000x 60x 60=5.04E+10
A file size of 50,400,000,000 bits can also be expressed as *

50,400,000,000 .......... bits
6,300,000,000 .......... bytes
6,152,343.75 ....... kilobytes
6,008.1481933593 megabytes
5.86733222 . gigabytes
0.0057298166 terabytes
0.0000055955 petabytes
0.0000000054 exabytes

My head is starting to hurt. The 320GB gives 39 hours at HD. My Sony 250GB give 30 hours at HD. These numbers are very close, but I don't know the physical storage method. I would like to calculate the bit rates, but math was never my best subject. The max bit rate for my Toshiba analog DVR is 9.2 and my Magnavox SD 515H runs just over 10. I guess the variation of my recording size is due to factors I can not control. Might be some overhead because the 980H uses ts files that are an industry standard and not a proprietary storage encoding. Of 30 scheduled recordings, no two are equal. When I fill the drive I may figure the average number and see how that fits.

The cable station recorded is always 1080i but sometimes must show 480i inhouse with barn doors or commercials in various aspect ratios. I guess that could make a difference. Perhaps the 5.1 drops to 2.0 sometimes too.
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Very nice review. The remote does take some adapting (if it's the remote).

You should post the same review on the BV site:

http://www.brite-viewforum.com/viewforum.php?f=74

It's not really busy, but there is a place for a wish list. It would be nice if there was an update. Perhaps by 2012.

How come they don't have a bug report forum for the BV-980H?


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100% of the time, for me, the output resolution will drop to 480i after a scheduled recording of 1080i. 90% of the time the audio will stop when moving the output back to 1080i. It comes back with a power cycle. As you say, this doesn't affect the recording, only the playback.

I have over 30 HD recordings at the same time, same channel, Mon - Fri. Any guess why they are not all the same size?

So when you record other channels, does it also drop the audio 90% of the time?
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How come they don't have a bug report forum for the BV-980H?




So when you record other channels, does it also drop the audio 90% of the time?

Bug report? What's that?

I'll try a 720p to see what happens. But we are talking about the video output resolution which should not be influenced by a recording process and no other reports have been posted. Maybe I just need a firmware update.

My use of the 980H so far has been just testing, not consumer or family use. But the audio doesn't die 10% of the time when switching back to 1080i from 480i after a recording, so there is hope.
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I'll try a 720p to see what happens. But we are talking about the video output resolution which should not be influenced by a recording process and no other reports have been posted. Maybe I just need a firmware update.

My use of the 980H so far has been just testing, not consumer or family use. But the audio doesn't die 10% of the time when switching back to 1080i from 480i after a recording, so there is hope.

Does it actually switch to 480i, with a noticeable decrease in sharpness? Or is it only displaying 480i on the DVR? Does your TV show a input that has resolution of 480i?

Also, when you are in your 480i resolution, when you go play your the just recorded 1080i video (or any other HD video), does it downscale to 480i or does it look like HD (by your eyes or by your TV's info on the input source's resolution).

I talked to someone in Brite View and they said this is a known thing, but it only affects the what's shown on the setting, but its output should be still in HD.

Also, was your firmware updated from the one they have on their website?
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Does it actually switch to 480i, with a noticeable decrease in sharpness? Or is it only displaying 480i on the DVR? Does your TV show a input that has resolution of 480i?

Also, when you are in your 480i resolution, when you go play your the just recorded 1080i video (or any other HD video), does it downscale to 480i or does it look like HD (by your eyes or by your TV's info on the input source's resolution).

I talked to someone in Brite View and they said this is a known thing, but it only affects the what's shown on the setting, but its output should be still in HD.

Also, was your firmware updated from the one they have on their website?

It's a bad time for testing since I have no known audio DD5.1 content on my cable channels, and I don't feel like doing a rewire at the moment. So let's stick to video.

I find that the menu option for video resolution is the final word. It will send out 480i even it the viewed or recorded content is 1080i. I do not have the BV connected to my TV. It connects to my Yamaha AVR, RX-V867. The AVR can show the input and output content resoulution. I have it set to always "pass through" on every audio and video source. It's mainly my HDMI switching box with benefits. One problem is that the TV, when set to rf input, can only show video resolution also, not DD2.0 or DD5.1. It's not a major task to move the HDMI from AVR to TV, but not tonight. Next week perhaps.

My unit came with the 4114 firmware installed. I can't think of any reason to change. I asked for release notes on this firmware last month.

I can't see any difference in content quality at this time. Good news or bad news?

So you need a second opinion. Someone needs to record 480i and see if it can playback at 1080i. And see if a 1080i 5.1 recording can be forced to 480i 2.0.

We'll figure it out. Just not today. I'm not in the cable switching mood, and all my locals are sending out DD2.0 due to the weather. I work Sat - Mon, so more fun next week if you wish. But I should be around all night.
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Recording HD cable every night from 00:30 to 01:30 (NBC) Mon - Fri gave me forty ok files. The average size is 7550Mb. Two failed. One at 2051Mb and the last file ended at 1157Mb. The largest file was 7645Mb and the smallest was 7384Mb.

I'm recording an (480i) SD digital channel now. I'll update this post if I can play it back at 1080i.

After every recording the output changes to 480i. No exceptions. With no recording the output stays at 1080i.

Deleting 42 files was a pain. Double "are you sure" isn't needed.

Record 480i and set output to 480i is ok. One hour uses 1344Mb. Change output to 720p or 1080i causes output in the higher resolution. You will get barn doors. There is not option to fill the screen. My display has no option to change this either since it feels there is a 1080i input and that means what comes in is what you see. Three of my local 1080i HD stations look this way, so no surprise either.

All done testing. Unless someone needs data.
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After every recording the output changes to 480i. No exceptions. With no recording the output stays at 1080i.

That's really lame. Did you report it as bug? When I called them once, they said one of their other device is like that, but only shows it as 480i, but in reality is still in 1080i.

Did you try it plugged in direct to TV? Maybe it is hdmi out senses the display unit's resolution and the receiver doesn't responds to that?

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Recording HD cable every night from 00:30 to 01:30 (NBC) Mon - Fri gave me forty ok files. The average size is 7550Mb. Two failed. One at 2051Mb and the last file ended at 1157Mb. The largest file was 7645Mb and the smallest was 7384Mb.

Record 480i and set output to 480i is ok. One hour uses 1344Mb.

This just lays out the whole data stream onto the HDD, which in ATSC standard is mpeg2. There is no decoding or re-encoding into a more advanced format. During playback, it just decodes that saved datastream.

Thus, if you plug in a USB flash drive or HDD to play back a HD source from somewhere else (almost all are in mpeg4 format), you will have to convert it to mpeg2 before this unit can play it.
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That's really lame. Did you report it as bug? When I called them once, they said one of their other device is like that, but only shows it as 480i, but in reality is still in 1080i.

Did you try it plugged in direct to TV? Maybe it is hdmi out senses the display unit's resolution and the receiver doesn't responds to that?



This just lays out the whole data stream onto the HDD, which in ATSC standard is mpeg2. There is no decoding or re-encoding into a more advanced format. During playback, it just decodes that saved datastream.

Thus, if you plug in a USB flash drive or HDD to play back a HD source from somewhere else (almost all are in mpeg4 format), you will have to convert it to mpeg2 before this unit can play it.

Both my AVR and TV indicate that the output resolution is controlled by the setup option. Content (ts file) on the HDD or USB drive will be changed. That's how I got the barn doors from my local NBC 1080i signal from their studio 480i cameras. They have the ability to send 480i data within a 1080i stream, like school closings, but that is new. My ABC station updated to 16:9 inhouse last year, but still use 720p, like Fox.

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http://www.brite-viewforum.com/viewforum.php?f=74
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Both my AVR and TV indicate that the output resolution is controlled by the setup option. Content (ts file) on the HDD or USB drive will be changed. That's how I got the barn doors from my local NBC 1080i signal from their studio 480i cameras. They have the ability to send 480i data within a 1080i stream, like school closings, but that is new. My ABC station updated to 16:9 inhouse last year, but still use 720p, like Fox.

As for bug reporting:

http://www.brite-viewforum.com/viewforum.php?f=74

When you say your TV indicates 480i resolution, is that when you connect to the TV?

there is no bug report forum for that device. it seems to be just a gripe forum.
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When you say your TV indicates 480i resolution, is that when you connect to the TV?

there is no bug report forum for that device. it seems to be just a gripe forum.

Like I said:

Both my AVR and TV indicate that the output resolution is controlled by the setup option.

Frequently the audio will stop when changing from 480i to 1080i.

You can start a bug report thread. You can start one here too.
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Once in a while I'll get a "failed" message in my history, but when I check the File Manager the recording IS there. FWIW
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Once in a while I'll get a "failed" message in my history, but when I check the File Manager the recording IS there. FWIW

All of it? Then the byte count would be another bug since it's always short on a failed recording. Perhaps it stops counting when the recording stops and fails to start when the recording starts again. But that's just a guess.
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All of it? Then the byte count would be another bug since it's always short on a failed recording. Perhaps it stops counting when the recording stops and fails to start when the recording starts again. But that's just a guess.

Yes, I get the entire "failed" recording when I go to the File Manager. Only happens once every 10 or so recordings...no biggie for me.
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Hi Bruce,

Thanks again and thank you so much for sending us this email. We are scheduling to release the product by end of Q4 this year (I hope!!). The model number will be changed to PHD-VRX ( as Video Recording eXtreme). We also built with many new and rich features and we believe it will be extremely competing with CM-7400. For cost-wise, we are much less for sure! We have dual-tuners built-in. One of tuners also has NTSC decoding in case customers want to see analog cable channels. However, unit is only focusing on digital channel recording. The video output can go up to 1080p/60hz from HDMI port. It also has many inputs to switch. It has media player feature from any one of two USB ports of PHD-VRX.

There are still many nice features we are working on right now but you will the first one or two to know. We will send you an updated email when release date close. Thanks again!


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That's pushing it. No idea.

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Just wondering 'cause I could not get the unit to switch to standard time. The best idea I came up with was to "tell" the box it was in the central time zone and it worked ! But for how long is anybody's guess......However folks in the PAC. time zone will have a hard time with this workaround.
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Just wondering 'cause I could not get the unit to switch to standard time. The best idea I came up with was to "tell" the box it was in the central time zone and it worked ! But for how long is anybody's guess......However folks in the PAC. time zone will have a hard time with this workaround.

I am set to use manual time. Manual time doesn't seem to have a time change ability. So I changed the time manually. If I change the time zone it will change the time even with manual time.

Manual time with my Mag 515H has the time change as a option, which only cares about the date so it switched Sunday morning. And with manual time there is no time zone option with the 515H.

I always thought that OTA PSIP time was absolute, being accurate to the second.
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