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post #2431 of 2440 Old 04-08-2015, 05:24 AM
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I probably should have clarified, and that's my fault, I was thinking more in line with an already pre-built external drive. One of the reasons I was looking at that way (as opposed to what you have suggested going with a raw laptop drive and case) was simplicity and economics. It looks like I can find these portable external hard drives for a little less than buying the parts separate. And if these drives will work just fine with this unit, that may be a good option to consider. Browsing and searching through this thread I really didn't see that addressed. But then I could have missed it through 2400+ posts! I don't necessarily have a problem going the route you have suggested, and if you think it truly is best for the performance of the system, I'll rethink that setup. I just don't want to under/overkill the setup and have problems or waste money.
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We have been using a Toshiba 2TB portable drive (USB powered) with good results. We have also tried (all portable USB powered) Verbatim 1TB and Seagate 1TB Backup Plus, and they seemed to be OK as well. Others will probably remember, but the limit for size used might be 2TB.
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I'd speculate that the limit is 2.2 TB (the max. MBR partition size). Other DVRs, such as the CM DVR+, have the same limitation.

If so, a 3TB drive would give you about 10% more space than a 2TB drive. Not really worth the higher cost of a 3TB drive IMO.

A firmware update could overcome the limit, but I haven't seen much activity from ePVision lately.
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After looking into several DVRs and options I've settled on this unit (the ePVision PHD-VRX2) and have a question:

Any recommendations on a good external hard drive for this unit? There are obviously several out there from various makes and capacities, then you have different drive speeds or even solid state drives. Anything to avoid? I know I can get an internal drive and get it to work inside the unit but not my preference.
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When I was deciding what hard drive to buy for my PHD-VRX2, I chose a drive with capacity up to the VRX2 maximum of 2TB. Since the USB ports on the VRX2 are USB 2.0, it made sense to buy a drive with USB 2.0. USB 3.0 drives use the USB port to power the drive and I did not want to do that in case there was not enough power. I also wanted a fast drive. So I chose the Western Digital Elements 2TB USB 2.0 external drive.

I bought the drive in 2013. It may be harder now to find a USB 2.0 external drive. From what I can see online, the WD Element drives now come in USB 3.0 versions. That would mean a 2.5" drive. Others in this blog have recommended 2.5" drives. This would mean drawing power from the USB port. That may not be a problem. I was being prudent when I made my choice.

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True; most external drives are USB 3.0 now. Typically, 2.5" drives draw power from the USB port, while 3.5" drives use a wall-wart of some sort (but there are exceptions in both cases).

If you get a USB-powered drive and don't want to risk overloading the PHD-VRX2's power supply, you can still find USB "Y" cables that let you connect the data pins to the PHD-VRX2 and the power pins to a cheap USB wall-wart.

You can also buy standalone HDD enclosures that let you put your own SATA drive inside. They're usually wall-wart powered, but the HDD+enclosure combo usually costs a bit more too.
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Browsing and searching through this thread I really didn't see that addressed.
Did you read the the first 10 posts??

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I was thinking more in line with an already pre-built external drive. One of the reasons I was looking at that way (as opposed to what you have suggested going with a raw laptop drive and case) was simplicity and economics.
As I stated in the first posts, I suggested it that way purposely; You choose the drive you want, you then choose the case you want. Some of these 'packages' were designed NOT to separate (at least easily) and besides cheaper is usually not better.

Simplicity is no issue. Open case, insert HDD, close case. Surely not complicated.

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Since the USB ports on the VRX2 are USB 2.0, it made sense to buy a drive with USB 2.0. USB 3.0 drives use the USB port to power the drive and I did not want to do that in case there was not enough power.
Ok, I was not aware of this. I knew they were only 2.0 on the VRX2 (and I figured getting a 3.0 drive wouldn't hurt) but if the 3.0 drives are USB powered only, I might as you did, go with the 2.0 with the option of adding a power supply if needed. Or if for any reason, to put less stress on the unit itself.

Thank you everyone for you input. I feel a lot better buying what I need to make this work as efficiently as possible. I bought one of the first DVRs to come out (Panasonic Replay HS2000) and still have it, but the hard drive finally gave out a couple years ago. And the who digital TV thing wasn't good for it either! So I want to get back into recording OTA again without having to pay a monthly fee. Looks like the VRX2 is the best option for me.
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Just a note, the power issue isn't one with the Kingston 240GB SSD USB kit, comes complete with a USB 3.0 enclosure with the drive, so just push it in, clip it closed, plug the cable in to it and then the unit, done. Since the SSD uses very little power, as does the enclosure, there won't be any problems with power at all. Kingston has other SSD USB kit sizes, just check which one you want. Though for light recording (30 shows a week), can easily get 30 1 hour shows with the drive (based on a 7GB/HR value). I've not run out of space with it so far, but if you want more space, the 480 should be enough, since there isn't a whole lot of OTA content at the moment due to the holidays and March break causing shows to end for haitus.

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Cool Weekly recordings, file cleanup and external drives

First I'll address the choice of drives issue:

Almost all portable drives also have the option of using an external power supply, though that's not usually provided with the drive. I would strongly recommend external power to lighten the power and heat load in the PHD-VRX; it's also why I would not mount a drive in the chassis. Even adding a fan would increase the power drain on the system power supply. Keep in mind that 2.5" drives still tend to be a bit slower than desktop ones.

My selection for a drive is the Buffalo DriveStation DDR, a 2TB drive (I have bought two now) with a 1GB DD3RAM smart buffer. It's fast and the buffering means no recording overruns; one still sees occasional stuttering on starting a playback, before the buffer's full, while recording. But it's sooo much better, and the SriveStation DDR can store its entire buffer before shutdown if the power is completely unplugged. I paid $129 at London Drugs, but there are probably better deals somewhere now. (I see LD has upped its price, likely due to the Canadian Dollar's collapse.) I hope I'm not violating any rules with this info - if so, I hope just the source will be edited and not my pointing to this drive, which is exceptionally well suited to media use and is just the right size. Buffalo uses Seagate drives internally but mine have been running for 1.5 and 2.5 years now without a hiccup.

Now - file cleanup:

One really does need a computer, in the long run, as the file management functions of the PHD-VRX are minimal other than with successful recordings linked in the "record" file on the disk. I have tested this extensively.

Brief recap: the usual recording format (.MPG) does not save subtitles, enhanced indexing information and watched-to point. ePivision added these functions through metadata in a companion .NAV file, and linked the two with entries in the little file just named "record."

The link between .MPG and .NAV files is only made at the completion of a recording or a manual stop; no failed or interrupted recordings are properly linked, so they cannot be accessed though the Record menu. They CAN be played from the Video menu, but not deleted or renamed, and they will not show subtitles or remember where you've last viewed. You can also only FF/RW at speeds up to 32x, rather than256x as vis the Record menu, and you can't sit on the jump ahead or jump back button for fast FF/RW, as the file will either restart or jump to the end.

If you want to save programs, you'll probably want to move your drive to a computer anyway. You can copy .NAV and .MPG files off and then back and they will still play via Record IF you keep them together with the matching "record" file. That's why you can't combine programs recorded on different drives onto the same drive and have the transferred ones work under Record.

So - any time a failed recording or power-interrupted recording is created, it can ONLY be removed by moving the drive to another device, ideally a computer with ext2 file support. (Like this Ubuntu box I'm on here.) I suspect this is because the Video menu is intended for programming from other devices and they didn't figure you'd want to manage files from other devices that could to their own file management better.

REMEMBER - DON'T DELETE THE "record" FILE FROM A DRIVE THAT YOU WANT TO PLAY PHD-VRX RECORDINGS FROM!

The PHD-VRX will create a zero-length "record" file on other usb devices you stick into it, but those can be deleted safely as there are no PHD-VRX recordings on them, right?

And third (for Clydester88 back in what was message 2375 today, and others): M-F reecordings.

It is true that the PHD-VRX does not properly advance the next recording date of M-F events over the weekend. (It seems to advance only once over the two days, oddly enough.) BUT this does not stop the recordings from working as planned; the event will NOT be recorded during the weekend, but it WILL be recorded when weekdays come around again.

The main pain about this is that it's not as easy to check the schedule when some of the programs are in the wrong place in the listings! I work around it by always updating my programming for the week on Sunday evenings, but this only works if you entered a manual event. You have to first change the M-F to Everyday or Weekly, then adjust the date, then switch back to M-F. Heck, I'm the obsessive type anyway.

Note: you can't do this with events scheduled by the guide. SOL.

I note that Clydester88 also mentions the problem of "Phantom" scheduled recording events.

This is an outright bug, and something is corrupting scheduled events. I suspect this is minimized by strictly observing the editing of each tuner's events WHILE THE SAME TUNER IS SELECTED FOR VIEWING, but haven't confirmed it. I often see that editing one entry will cause others to change maddeningly, or find a conflict we can't see.

Somehow, events are persisting somewhere that we can't see, using up our maximum recording slots and causing conflicts. The only way I have ever found to clear them all is reflashing the firmware, and then re-entering all programmed events. Major pain.

It is also possible for phantom events to continue recording even though they are not listed! For example, I recorded a Sunday afternoon movie a few weeks ago as a "once" event, and every Sunday thereafter it would record at the same time! I found a work-around, though. By creating a conflicting event, I was offered the choice of which to de-activate, and by selecting Modify the other was rendered inactive... but it still consumed an event slot, reducing my available ones.

This also relates to something others have noted: they sometimes can't enter "30" in the minutes field, and have to scroll to it. This is in fact due to the minimum recording length of 5 minutes. If you want to record a half-hour program, it's most natural to first set the hours to zero, then try to enter 3 and 0 in the minutes field. But this fails because as you enter the 3, it falls afoul of the minimum length.

If you leave the hour field set to a nonzero value (it appears as 1 when creating a new recording), you will be able to enter 30 in the minutes field, then drop the hours back to 0. Not much of a problem compared to scrolling the whole half-hour, or even from 50 minutes to 30, eh?
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I would strongly recommend external power to lighten the power and heat load in the PHD-VRX; it's also why I would not mount a drive in the chassis.
Never been a problem, the additional heat is very little.

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