iView-3500STB Tuner & DVR Owners Thread - Page 160 - AVS Forum | Home Theater Discussions And Reviews
Forum Jump: 
 98Likes
Reply
 
Thread Tools
post #4771 of 4948 Old 11-10-2016, 04:00 AM
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 36
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 19 Post(s)
Liked: 1
RE: JH .. I have a 3500STBII and am anxious to upgrade my firmware (S/N 1511xxx, SW Version: 201522V5.00; HW Version 7802123783650) to fix the "Add Event" bug ..

I took your advice, navigated to http://www.iviewus.com/firmware3500STBII/ and downloaded & installed IVIEW-3500STBII (EPG Fixed) - 1511 - 6 MB - 10/31/2016

I am happy to report that the "Add Event" bug has been fixed Also, the EPG seems to displays more program listings. And when pressing the INFO yellow button on the remote, the onscreen TV dialogue box now shows signal strength, aspect ratio, resolution and 12 hour time. The only function that I seem to have lost is the LED display which now constantly reads "boot" .. no big deal. The SW Version now shows 20160815V5.0. Will let you know if I find more info. Thanks again for you help & encouragement.

Last edited by LH92037; 11-10-2016 at 04:06 AM.
LH92037 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #4772 of 4948 Old 11-10-2016, 06:48 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
JHBrandt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: S. Garland, TX
Posts: 4,365
Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1481 Post(s)
Liked: 743
Quote:
Originally Posted by LH92037 View Post
[/I]I took your advice, navigated to http://www.iviewus.com/firmware3500STBII/ and downloaded & installed IVIEW-3500STBII (EPG Fixed) - 1511 - 6 MB - 10/31/2016

I am happy to report that the "Add Event" bug has been fixed Also, the EPG seems to displays more program listings. And when pressing the INFO yellow button on the remote, the onscreen TV dialogue box now shows signal strength, aspect ratio, resolution and 12 hour time. The only function that I seem to have lost is the LED display which now constantly reads "boot" .. no big deal. The SW Version now shows 20160815V5.0. Will let you know if I find more info. Thanks again for you help & encouragement.
Glad it worked! But I see iView changed around their web page - again! I guess someone who actually knew something went in and fixed things.

The version you got is almost exactly the same version as the one labeled "1603" on the iView 3200STB page. I think the only thing they did is change IVIEW-3200STB to iVIEW-3500STBII in the system / information menu selection. Edit: Just hex-compared the files and there are other differences. The file sizes are very close though, so I doubt they changed much. I think I'll try this new version on my 3200 and see if I can figure out the other differences.

For your LED display, try this: go to the Option menu, select Close Caption, press OK, then press Exit. A new option will appear in the menu labeled "Standby Show Time."

I suspect this is intended for the 3500STBII's front-panel display, and if set to "On," will cause the display to show the time of day when in standby. But since I don't have a 3500, I can't tell if it does anything.

Last edited by JHBrandt; 11-10-2016 at 01:33 PM.
JHBrandt is offline  
post #4773 of 4948 Old 11-10-2016, 03:37 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 36
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 19 Post(s)
Liked: 1
For your LED display, try this: go to the Option menu, select Close Caption, press OK, then press Exit. A new option will appear in the menu labeled "Standby Show Time." I suspect this is intended for the 3500STBII's front-panel display, and if set to "On," will cause the display to show the time of day when in standby. But since I don't have a 3500, I can't tell if it does anything

JH .. followed your directions & set "Standby Show Time" to ON which resulted in LED display going blank. "Standby Show Time" ON also disabled power ON indicator light and "boot" wording is no longer shown during boot. Turning the "Standby Show Time" setting OFF did not restore the LED display

Another quirk, the CC configuration settings only partially work (no top, bottom, transparency, etc.), but the CC is visible. I can live with these bugs as long as the "Add Event" function now works correctly Any other ideas on why the LED display is blank now ?

Also, the EPG is slower to display, but seems to display more program listings. Have to manually change to the channel I want to view BEFORE pressing EPG button on remote to get best result.

Do you recommend that I try the 1604 firmware or should I just be satisfied with this upgrade ? Also, should I have done a "Restore Factory Defaults" BEFORE I attempted upgrade ?

Last edited by LH92037; 11-11-2016 at 12:14 AM.
LH92037 is offline  
 
post #4774 of 4948 Old 11-11-2016, 08:13 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
JHBrandt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: S. Garland, TX
Posts: 4,365
Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1481 Post(s)
Liked: 743
Thanks for trying. The "Standby Show Time" function is new; I guess it's still not debugged. "Restore Factory Defaults" may turn it back on, but since it only shows "boot" anyway, it probably isn't worth the trouble. You'd have to go through all your channels and delete/rename/skip/favorite them again, not to mention setting up your time zone, menu transparency, and record timers again.

How far out does your EPG go now? Traditionally, it's displayed just shy of a day's worth of listings. Have you seen more than a day's worth on any of your local channels? (It may take a long time to populate fully. After you press EPG, it has to wait for the station to broadcast all the "EITs," and stations don't broadcast EITs very often for the shows furthest in the future.)

Be careful with closed captions. They work fine during live viewing, but when I tried the CC button during playback, my 3200 locked up and rebooted! It happened with two different recordings.

There's probably no harm in trying the 1604 version. It ran OK on my 3200 as far as I could tell. The date on it is 2016 09 23 instead of 2016 08 15, so it may have fixed a few more bugs, possibly including the LED display and/or CC during playback. iView doesn't say what was changed between the 1511 and 1604 versions though.

It shouldn't be necessary to Restore Factory Defaults before updating firmware. iView recommends that you Restore Factory Defaults after updating firmware, but I've never needed to do that either.

Last edited by JHBrandt; Yesterday at 03:31 PM.
JHBrandt is offline  
post #4775 of 4948 Old 11-13-2016, 01:33 PM
Member
 
SD73's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 190
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8 Post(s)
Liked: 12
Wow, what a find. I was just browsing to see if there was any interesting news with our DVR's and word of an upgrade is out. I do like hearing of the better EPG too. Now the scary part. I have two boxes with the 3/4 switches. Any recommendations if these are safe to upgrade? The serial numbers begin with 1404 and 1501.

Last edited by SD73; 11-13-2016 at 01:44 PM.
SD73 is offline  
post #4776 of 4948 Old 11-13-2016, 02:22 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
JHBrandt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: S. Garland, TX
Posts: 4,365
Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1481 Post(s)
Liked: 743
Sorry; there have been no upgrades for the channel 3/4 boxes, and the newly released firmware will brick them. (The newest iViews use a different chip.) I searched iView's download page quite thoroughly hoping I was wrong, but found nothing.

It isn't much of an upgrade anyway. There were a few nice little things, like a 12-hour time option, and some new info on the channel info box, but the upgrade mostly fixes bugs that the channel 3/4 boxes didn't have to start with.
JHBrandt is offline  
post #4777 of 4948 Old 11-13-2016, 02:24 PM
Member
 
SD73's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 190
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8 Post(s)
Liked: 12
Oh well. Thanks for the info! Mine do work pretty well as-is so I'm good.
SD73 is offline  
post #4778 of 4948 Old 11-13-2016, 04:29 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
JHBrandt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: S. Garland, TX
Posts: 4,365
Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1481 Post(s)
Liked: 743
Oops - sometimes this board is confusing. I just posted this, but accidentally edited one of my old posts instead of posting anew, so if you go a few pages back, you'll probably have a sense of deja vu:

I just loaded the 1511 (Nov. 2015) version of the 3500STBII firmware onto my 3200 to compare it with the 1603 (Mar. 2016) version of 3200STB firmware. Their ID strings are:

Model: IVIEW-3200STB
SW Version: 20160815V5.0
HW Version: 78021237836650
- and -
Model: iVIEW-3500STBII
SW Version: 20160815V5.0
HW Version: 78021237836650

So they look nearly identical: same HW, SW, date, and file size. But there are a few differences, mostly in favor of the 3500STBII version.

First. the 3200STB version takes 22 seconds to boot! The 3500STBII version takes 16 seconds to boot.

Second, with the 3200STB version, pressing CC while playing a recording will freeze the video and lock up the box! But the 3500STBII version doesn't have this bug; closed captions work correctly during playback.

Edit: Turns out things are a bit more complicated: Velvetfoot found the bug is in the 3500STBII version after all - but it depends on how CC is set during live viewing:
Quote:
Originally Posted by velvetfoot View Post
I think I might have figured it out.

In TV viewing mode, make sure CC is 'off'.
When viewing a recording, CC should work.

I'll keep trying it tomorrow and see if it's consistent.
Quote:
Originally Posted by velvetfoot View Post
Seems to work.
So not as bad as I first thought, although still not really acceptable.

Velvetfoot reported the same bug with the new 3500STBII versions (1511-EPGFix, which was on his box when he received it, and 1604, which he downloaded and installed). I had originally thought that 1603 and 1604 had the bug but 1511-EPGFix didn't, but I wasn't aware that the bug depends on the CC setting during live viewing.

Both versions have a hidden setting labeled "Standby Show Time." I suspect this is intended for the 3500STBII's front-panel display. However, it has been reported not to work. Changing the setting to either On or Off just blanks the LED display.

The 3200 version of the firmware (1603) should probably never show this menu option, and the 3500 version (1511) should probably always show it; but in both versions, it's hidden until you go into Close Caption and get back out, then it becomes visible. And, of course, it should work properly on the 3500STBII and not just blank the LED display completely.

The option on the Time menu labeled "Time Type," which can be set to "Save 24" or "Save 12," has another tiny bug in the 3200STB version: if you change the setting, the words "Power On/Off" get "printed over" the words "Time Type" when you exit, resulting in an unreadable jumble. The 3500STBII version doesn't have this bug. However, the 3500STBII version does have some small bugs with 12-hour time: 12:nn am is always shown as 00:nn, and even 12:nn pm is often (but not always) shown as 00:nn.

Also, the "am" and "pm" labels in the EPG are confusing: they appear after the end (2nd) time of the event, but seem to apply to the start (1st) time! Oh, well; I guess that isn't too bad for iView's first foray into our strange North American clocks.

BTW, I checked the EPG and it still appears to be limited to one day (8 EITs), even if the station broadcasts more. One nice thing, though, is that it doesn't have to rebuild the EPG from scratch every time you exit and bring it up again - as long as you don't change channels!

I saw one last difference: in the 3200STB version, you use the FF and Rewind buttons to page the EPG and the Skip Fwd/Back buttons to page the episode description. In the 3500STBII version, you use the number keys: 1 & 2 to page the EPG and the 3 & 4 buttons to page the episode description. The 3500STBII version is like the HomeWorX firmware in this regard, right down to the button labels; which for some reason read "01," "02," etc. instead of just "1," "2," etc. (You don't have to press 0 1; just press 1. So I don't know why the zeros are there, either on the 3500STBII firmware or the HomeWorX firmware. But, whatever; as long as it works!)

Ever since the HomeWorX came out, HomeWorX and iView have gone back and forth on the best firmware. With the 1511 version, it looks like iView has pulled back into the lead.

Last edited by JHBrandt; Yesterday at 03:42 PM.
JHBrandt is offline  
post #4779 of 4948 Old 11-13-2016, 05:28 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 36
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 19 Post(s)
Liked: 1
Red face

Quote:
Originally Posted by SD73 View Post
Wow, what a find. I was just browsing to see if there was any interesting news with our DVR's and word of an upgrade is out. I do like hearing of the better EPG too. Now the scary part. I have two boxes with the 3/4 switches. Any recommendations if these are safe to upgrade? The serial numbers begin with 1404 and 1501.
I successfully upgraded a friends 1501 via USB with no problems. I did not do a "Restore Factory Defaults" before or after upgrade. As my friend does not have cable, I used "
IVIEW-3500STBII V1 = All-Purpose Update for all users 3 MB 09/14/2015" Happy to report all is well

Goto http://www.iviewus.com/firmware3500STBII/ and on the bottom of the download page find
  • This is firmware for IVIEW-3500STBII ( CH 3/4 )
READ BEFORE DOWNLOADING : These will Only work for the 3500STBII with CH 3-4 Switch. For NONE CH 3-4 , Please read the info above.
File Version Size Date
IVIEW-3500STBII V1 = All-Purpose Update for all users 3 MB 09/14/2015
IVIEW-3500STBII V2 = Cable Users Only 3 MB 09/14/2015
IVIEW-3500STBII V3 = cable Users Only 3 MB 09/14/2015

Last edited by LH92037; 11-13-2016 at 05:37 PM.
LH92037 is offline  
post #4780 of 4948 Old 11-15-2016, 09:50 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 36
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 19 Post(s)
Liked: 1
RE: I have a 3500STBII and am anxious to upgrade my firmware (S/N 1511xxx, SW Version: 201522V5.00; HW Version 7802123783650) to fix the "Add Event" bug .. I took your advice, navigated to http://www.iviewus.com/firmware3500STBII/ and downloaded & installed IVIEW-3500STBII (EPG Fixed) - 1511 - 6 MB - 10/31/2016. I am happy to report that the "Add Event" bug has been fixed

JH .. Update on above (EPG Fixed) f/w update .. Now the "Add Event" feature works correctly, BUT the unit does not always record the scheduled/booked event. Seems to be a hit-or-miss recording bug. Sometimes you get a recording error message.

Additionally, pressing the red RECORD button does not always work. Do you think the 1604 update might fix this erratic recording bug? 1 step forward, 2 steps back
LH92037 is offline  
post #4781 of 4948 Old 11-15-2016, 10:56 PM
Senior Member
 
eherberg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 208
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 56 Post(s)
Liked: 20
Possible switch from TiVo to Iview

Currently I have 2 TiVo's that are being used for OTA viewing. Short version: We have moved into a remote area near Canadian border. The changeover to Rovi data is not great for remote areas (at least not mine). Although I have 2 main OTA channels and 3 sub-channels -- Rovi believes I have 51 (main and subs). Rovi includes 1/2 the state as a single viewing area and does not divide up the area into what is actually available within it. Worse - it does not include the Canadian channels I can get where the previous Gracenote data did. I have a ticket in to fix this -- but I have little faith that it will be done, as doing so would change the whole way Rovi uses DMA areas as opposed to the way that Gracenote does.

I am a big believer of not hanging around complaining about what a vendor might do. Those people who constantly gripe in forums about the service they are getting ... while still paying their bill each month ... I just don't get them. I prefer voting with my feet especially when there are other options out there. So the clock is ticking for me and 'ol TiVo. If the situation is not resolved within 30 days of my last ticket - I'm outta there.

Which brings me to my post here.

If leaving TiVo, I still need to replace it with something else. At the moment, the eventual goal would be to move to perhaps the Plex DVR. We've been using Plex for my media library and like it. The option to have recorded shows in the same TV library in Plex has an appeal. It's the one thing I grew addicted to with TiVo - having ripped shows available in the NPL (thanks to pyTivo) along with recorded shows in a single interface. That's the goal -- however with the holidays coming up, it will need to be set aside until next year so we can get through the expense of Christmas.

I thought the Iview (or one of its clones) would be a good solution in the interim. My wife has a lot of daytime shows (morning news, Kelly Ripa, Rachael Ray, etc) that she records daily. These are not accessible through other methods we will rely on like Hulu, so an OTA recording plan will be necessary. She typically saves up most of them until the weekend and fast forwards through most of them - stopping only for segments that she is interested in. I also use the DVR on Sunday's for football games - syncing up the video with the radio broadcast.

From browsing this thread - I understand that the Iview can't be used to watch one program already recorded while another is currently being recorded. But what about watching a program while it is being recorded? Can this be done? Or do you have to wait for the recording to be finished? No glitches if the recording finishes before you've caught up to live TV? And for football games - can pausing live TV for either the seconds (or sometimes minutes, depending on the stream I find) be done so my football watching scenario is still possible?

I wouldn't depend on EPG recording (as it appears this is a little flaky from reading old posts). Since her programs are always on at the same time M-F, a daily recording entry should suffice. But are scheduled recordings for the most part reliable? I can tell from past experience that even though she fast-forwards through 70% of her daily shows - there will be holy hell to pay if one of them is missed. Because, of course, that will be the one day that a guest was on that she was really looking forward to seeing. :-)

Regarding hard drives - I have a few around that I could purpose for connecting to the Iview. But if I connect a USB-powered hard drive to the Iview, am I just asking for it? Will I end up burning out a box because of the power draw through USB? I don't expect that these cheap boxes are real generous with the power supply - but other users who have lived with the thing probably can advise better. Am I better off using wall power? Or doesn't it matter that much?

Lastly - I assume I want the one with the better remote (3500STBII). Out of curiousity - are the Iview codes usually available in standard universal remotes? I don't want to plunk down cash for some Harmony remote - especially since for Plex we are liking the small Roku remote just fine. But if a small purchase put both the Iview and the Roku on the same universal remote, I suppose we could give up the RF Roku remote for daily use. I looked at a few code lists for RCA and Sony remote codes - but didn't see any listings for Iview (or homeworx, ematic, etc either). I'm assuming this means there are no codes out there for basic universal remotes?

Thanks for the assistance while I await the clock ticking down on my years with TiVo. :-)
eherberg is offline  
post #4782 of 4948 Old 11-16-2016, 07:05 AM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
jjeff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Minneapolis MN
Posts: 11,256
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 692 Post(s)
Liked: 246
1. Yes you can chase play, you just can't watch an already recorded program while also recording another new program.

2. Yes you can pause live TV, but unlike a Tivo you've have to initiate it, IOW if you don't start recording live TV you can't just all the sudden decide you want to repeat something you just saw, you would have had to be already be recording it to back up.

3. Keep in mind if having 2 iViews in the same room, their remotes will be the same so things get tricky trying to control just one, best to have a iView and something else with different remote codes(I believe but you should check, that Homeworx uses different remote codes). Unlike a Tivo the iViews and clones don't have provisions for having more than one of the same box in the same location.

4. I believe some cheaper remotes will control some of the iViews or clones but I'm not sure which ones. I have a somewhat nicer iView remote(the one with that can control your TVs volume and channels, or is it input??) and haven't played with universals, the original iView remote(the one that looked like a cheap Cyberhome DVD players remote) really sucked, the better iViews remotes don't suck as bad.....of course nothing is even in the same class as a Tivo peanut remote, I love mine and it's one of the reasons I really like Tivo.

5. I use a small Toshiba 1TB USB3 powered HDD and it works just fine, I've also used wall powered USB drives and they work OK too, I guess I wouldn't use a very large USB powered drive.

6. If your wife is used to a Tivo, using a iView or similar is may be a real shock. The UI is very crude compared to Tivo, the remote and button layout just doesn't make sense like a Tivo, etc. Of course for almost 1/10th the price it's not going to, it's just if you can get used to driving a Yugo if your last car was a Mercedes....

Personally for the price(generally only ~$40) I'd pick up a iView and give it a try, if she doesn't like it's operation and can't see herself using it, either give it to a friend or relative or sell it, you'd only be out a max of $40, if she's OK with it's operation then look into a second. I always say for the price these $40 boxes are a wonder, with the emphasis on for the price.

Lastly I kind of do what your wife does, but more to the late night talk shows. I record anything that I think I might be remotely interested in and when watching them back, generally use the FF3 speed on my Tivo. If I see something that catches my eye I search back and watch it. In this respect the Tivo works great, it has IMO great search speeds, easy to get into search mode and back up. IMO this is one of the areas where the iView fails, it just takes more time to get into fast search speeds and is harder to quickly back up, it's really frustrating coming from a Tivo. Now maybe your wife will think different but it would be a big step back for me if my iView was my only choice, I'd probably not record as much as I'd be spending more time trying to watch what I've already recorded
jjeff is offline  
post #4783 of 4948 Old 11-16-2016, 07:48 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
JHBrandt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: S. Garland, TX
Posts: 4,365
Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1481 Post(s)
Liked: 743
@eherberg , if you're coming from a TiVo, I doubt you'll find the iView a satisfying replacement. But, it's usually under $40 and is fine for occasional OTA recording, live viewing with time-shifting, and playing media (audio/video/photo) files.

Let me add my own observations to jjeff's post above:

You can "chase play" a recording as it's being made. Just press Play while the recording is in progress and it will start to play from the beginning. (The reason you can't play a different recording is because there's no access to the PVR menu when recording.)

Since the iView only has one tuner, you can't tune it to another channel while it's recording. But surprisingly, you can tune it to another subchannel of the channel it's recording. Or you can watch another channel with your TV's tuner. (I recommend using a cheap RF splitter instead of the iView's "loop through" feature. Splitters are available in the electronics section of most department stores and should be under $5.)

To pause live TV, just press Pause while watching. A time-shifting buffer will be created and the video will pause. Press Play to resume. You can also FF and rewind, of course. But as jjeff said, unlike TiVo, iView doesn't start buffering unless/until you press Pause, so you can't rewind to a point before you pressed Pause.

Make sure you have a hard drive that doesn't "sleep" after a period of inactivity. You want it to be "awake" anytime the iView is on, so it can start buffering immediately whenever you press Pause.

Quote:
Originally Posted by eherberg View Post
Since her programs are always on at the same time M-F, a daily recording entry should suffice. But are scheduled recordings for the most part reliable? I can tell from past experience that even though she fast-forwards through 70% of her daily shows - there will be holy hell to pay if one of them is missed. Because, of course, that will be the one day that a guest was on that she was really looking forward to seeing. :-)
Unfortunately, after reading the previous post, it looks like there are some issues in this area. If a recording absolutely cannot be missed, I'd consider another DVR. Of the under-$40 ones, HomeWorX seems to be the most reliable at this point. Everything I've said about the iView here applies to the HomeWorX as well.

Quote:
Originally Posted by eherberg View Post
Regarding hard drives - I have a few around that I could purpose for connecting to the Iview. But if I connect a USB-powered hard drive to the Iview, am I just asking for it? Will I end up burning out a box because of the power draw through USB? I don't expect that these cheap boxes are real generous with the power supply - but other users who have lived with the thing probably can advise better. Am I better off using wall power? Or doesn't it matter that much?
2.5" drives usually don't draw much power and should be fine. If you're looking at a 3.5" drive, though, you definitely want one with its own power supply.

Flash (thumb) drives also don't draw much power, but only a few can be written to quickly enough to keep up with an HD TV broadcast, and even fewer can handle the demands of chase play or time-shifting. (They do work fine for simple playback of video recorded elsewhere though.) Besides, they're more expensive per GB. So I'd stick with spinning-platter drives.

If you're going with a universal remote instead of the remote that comes with your iView, you might consider the 3200 instead of the 3500. Reason is, it uses an common "wall-wart" 5-volt power supply, so if you do burn it out somehow, you can replace it without replacing the whole iView. But if you're going to use the shipped remote, the 3500 is definitely the way to go. (If you buy a 3200 and later change your mind, you can buy a 3500 remote from iView separately for $10. Luckily, the 3200 and 3500 use the same remote codes.)
Quote:
Originally Posted by eherberg View Post
Lastly - I assume I want the one with the better remote (3500STBII). Out of curiosity - are the Iview codes usually available in standard universal remotes? I don't want to plunk down cash for some Harmony remote - especially since for Plex we are liking the small Roku remote just fine. But if a small purchase put both the Iview and the Roku on the same universal remote, I suppose we could give up the RF Roku remote for daily use. I looked at a few code lists for RCA and Sony remote codes - but didn't see any listings for Iview (or homeworx, ematic, etc either). I'm assuming this means there are no codes out there for basic universal remotes?
Some of the newer universal remotes have codes for iView and HomeWorX; but the safest bets are either a learning remote or an inexpensive programmable remote. Good learning remotes I've used and can recommend include:

  • Dish 20.1
  • Sony RM-VLZ620
  • Philips SRP5107/2

Also see this post at http://www.avsforum.com/forum/42-hdt...l#post42092865.

If you want more than one box in the same room, you'll need boxes that use different remote codes. For instance, you could have:

  • One iView (3200 or 3500)
  • One HomeWorX HW-150PVR
  • One HomeWorX HW-180STB
... all in the same room at once. I think the eMatic uses different codes than all the above too, but I'm not sure about it.
JHBrandt is offline  
post #4784 of 4948 Old 11-16-2016, 08:00 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
JHBrandt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: S. Garland, TX
Posts: 4,365
Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1481 Post(s)
Liked: 743
Quote:
Originally Posted by LH92037 View Post
[/I]JH .. Update on above (EPG Fixed) f/w update .. Now the "Add Event" feature works correctly, BUT the unit does not always record the scheduled/booked event. Seems to be a hit-or-miss recording bug. Sometimes you get a recording error message.

Additionally, pressing the red RECORD button does not always work. Do you think the 1604 update might fix this erratic recording bug? 1 step forward, 2 steps back
Uh-oh; can you provide more details? What does the recording error message say?

Could there be an issue with your HDD? Does it have a "sleep" or "spin-down" feature that stops it after a period of inactivity? Does it take a long time to spin up to speed? (3.5" drives take much longer to spin up than 2.5" drives.)

I'd say the 1604 version is at least worth trying. Watch out for the CC bug when playing recordings, but if it records more reliably, it's probably worth it.
JHBrandt is offline  
post #4785 of 4948 Old 11-16-2016, 11:45 AM
Senior Member
 
eherberg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 208
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 56 Post(s)
Liked: 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post
@eherberg , if you're coming from a TiVo, I doubt you'll find the iView a satisfying replacement. But, it's usually under $40 and is fine for occasional OTA recording, live viewing with time-shifting, and playing media (audio/video/photo) files.

Let me add my own observations to jjeff's post above:
I hear ya (and jjeff) regarding the usability shock. It's why the Iview would be a simple temporary solution while waiting for the permanent solution. Plex is currently the leader on that front, as we are already familiar with the interface and it already has wife approval.

/siderant ON

I would be happy to stay with the TiVo if it were not for the guide issues. I've been with TiVo for a while and found it to be a very satisfying experience. Not just for ease of use - but for the extras that I've come to realize I don't want to live without. Using pyTivo to easily send video's into the NPL so they exist side-by-side with recorded shows. Being able to pull shows off the TiVo with KMTTG so I can take them offline with me. All without having to pull hard drives out (when not in use). This is what disqualifies the DVR+ from consideration for the permanent replacement plan. No way to access recordings without pulling drives out? No way to send recordings to other units in the house? This makes it just a nice GUI-appliance. A user-friendly means of recording shows -- but in functionality I find important, little more than a lipsticked-pig improvement over basic recorders. I can't believe they get away with charging what they do -- or other people are so afraid of monthly fees or lifetime purchases that they are OK paying what is (in my opinion) a grossly over-priced machine. Not to mention that they are supplied by Rovi - so my biggest pain point would not be solved by moving to the DVR+.

I could live with the latest issues on the TiVo with the exception of one. I could live with the mind server and pyTivo push probems. I could live with OnePass now being broken for streaming shows. I could live with the decision by Rovi to include the entire half of the state in my available channels list. What I can't live with is the loss of local channels I can get (and previously had available in the guide). Because the Canadian channels are not in my DMA - Rovi doesn't include them, yet includes stations 250+ miles away that I can't receive, but are in the DMA. Gracenote understood the difference between DMA and available channels - Rovi does not. Even if I got them to include the Canadian channels, I suspect they would do it for every zipcode in the entire DMA. Which means somebody else using TiVo 250 miles away is going to then put in their lineup change to remove those channels -- and round and round we go.

I could simply keep the TiVo's and use manual recording for the scanned channels with no guide data. It is probably a more satisfying experience than what will be the Iview path. But it is the sale of the TiVo's (should my assessment of Rovi's ability to fix the guide issue be correct) that will help finance the equipment we will need to move to a different permanent setup.

Plus -- there is just the principle of the thing.

Guide data is what I'm paying for with TiVo. It is *the* most important aspect of the service. I can live with every other hiccup in a Rovi transition - but not planning for and handling the most important part of the service is simply not tolerated. As mentioned - I'm not a fan of continuing to hope for the best while posting over in TCF about how bad it is. If something isn't working for users of a service (whether it be TiVo, Iview, Channel Master, Tablo, etc) - nothing bugs me more than people month-after-month continually bitching about it ... but still using the service month-after-month. If it doesn't work for you -- then stop using it. For people who live in urban areas - I'm sure the transition was acceptable. But for rural or remote OTA - Rovi's methodology is bizarre. I should be thankful, I guess, that I don't live in New Mexico. Apparently there, the entire state is considered by Rovi to be a single DMA. At least I only get 1/2 of a state's stations.

/siderant OFF
eherberg is offline  
post #4786 of 4948 Old 11-16-2016, 12:08 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
JHBrandt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: S. Garland, TX
Posts: 4,365
Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1481 Post(s)
Liked: 743
I understand. As I said, the iView and similar boxes (like the HomeWorX) are OK for limited use. I think it's good to have one (or even two) handy for overflow or backup purposes. I just wouldn't use them to replace a TiVo or similar product (such as Windows Media Center).

I've looked at Plex, and while WMC meets my needs, if I'd made the mistake of "upgrading" to Windows 10 (and thereby losing WMC), I'd probably be using it myself by now.

Edit: BTW, it isn't just TiVo that Rovi has managed to screw up: Big WMC guide changes starting today

Last edited by JHBrandt; 11-16-2016 at 01:47 PM.
JHBrandt is offline  
post #4787 of 4948 Old 11-16-2016, 03:46 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
JHBrandt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: S. Garland, TX
Posts: 4,365
Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1481 Post(s)
Liked: 743
Quote:
Originally Posted by eherberg View Post
This is what disqualifies the DVR+ from consideration for the permanent replacement plan. No way to access recordings without pulling drives out? No way to send recordings to other units in the house?
Wow - I had no idea that unplugging a USB cable could be so onerous! But the iView suffers from the same "disability," so it sounds like you'll be stuck plugging and unplugging HDDs, at least until your Plex server is set up.

EXCEPT, it just occurred to me that the iView does have one advantage over the DVR+ in this regard. When you put the iView in standby, it powers the USB port down. That means you could connect one of those WiFi drives to your iView, then you could access it via WiFi whenever the iView wasn't on! iView doesn't use the best file names, but you can usually tell which file is which: the file names consist of the network name followed by the start date and time of the recording.

WiFi drives aren't cheap, but you could always reuse it when Plex is up and running and you retire the iView.
JHBrandt is offline  
post #4788 of 4948 Old 11-16-2016, 05:00 PM
Senior Member
 
eherberg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 208
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 56 Post(s)
Liked: 20
That would be handy. And a possible good short term solution for pulling programs off for import into Plex. It's not that it is difficult to pull the drive - it's just that it must be timed. I've gotten used to being able to push or pull recordings off -- whether there is something recording or not. It's now on my 'must-have' feature for a TiVo replacement (if Rovi forces me to play that hand). The one thing that may put a dagger in the Plex solution, however, is the need to have recordings finish before they can be accessed. I get that it is in beta - so I'm not holding that against it. But at some point there would have to be a clear indication that it is on the map. Otherwise, I'll need to have a harder look at Tablo or the HDHomeRun solution. I wouldn't be able to have the unified interface with recordings and files that is also currently a must-have. Fortunately I have some time to look at my options. And who knows -- maybe Rovi will surprise me and I won't need to go down that road. :-)
eherberg is offline  
post #4789 of 4948 Old 11-16-2016, 06:23 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
JHBrandt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: S. Garland, TX
Posts: 4,365
Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1481 Post(s)
Liked: 743
I've been searching for a better solution, but the way USB ports were designed makes it very tough. I would've thought someone would have a PCI card with a USB device port (the reverse of the usual USB host ports on a PC), and you could just slap it in your PC, set up a virtual HDD on one of your PC's real HDDs, and hook it to a DVR+, iView, or anything else that expects a USB hard drive. But such a card doesn't seem to exist.

On the DVR+ thread, one user (wlarsong) pulled it off using a single-board Linux computer called a BeagleBone. As I recall he created a virtual HDD on a NAS drive, which the BeagleBone made "look like" an ordinary HDD to the DVR+. Since all other access to the virtual HDD was read-only, other devices could stream recordings from it even while the DVR+ was recording or buffering to it. But the Linux scripting required to make this work was way over my head, and I'm a long-time computer programmer! I probably need to check in and see if he's made any progress in making this thing a bit more user-friendly. He could probably make a bundle programming these and selling them to DVR+ owners, iView owners, and the like.

My WiFi drive idea wouldn't work with the DVR+, but it should does work with the iView and it doesn't require any more fluency than normal with PC equipment. (And unlike the DVR+, the iView uses at least somewhat-understandable file names.) But the timing issue is still there, since you can't access the drive via WiFi while its USB port is active.

Last edited by JHBrandt; Yesterday at 04:05 PM.
JHBrandt is offline  
post #4790 of 4948 Old 11-19-2016, 12:15 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Jim1348's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: MN
Posts: 1,033
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 114 Post(s)
Liked: 17
iView-3500STB Tuner & DVR Owners Thread

I took our iView-3500STB out of service in May. It was working fine then. Today, when I plugged it in, the unit no longer powers up. Is there anything that I can try?

Also, are any local brick and mortar stores carrying these? For example, Wal Mart, Best Buy Micro Center, etc.

Last edited by Jim1348; 11-19-2016 at 12:18 PM.
Jim1348 is offline  
post #4791 of 4948 Old 11-19-2016, 04:01 PM
Member
 
maxreactance's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 166
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 84 Post(s)
Liked: 17
still spending $thousands to make a $40 box work

The tuner went out on my Sony TV again a few months ago, so I dragged my iView 3500STB out of the junk electronics box so I could watch HD TV in my living room again (got to hand it to Sony for selling TVs with tuners that suddenly quit working, then just as mysteriously, start working again, then fail again, then work again, ad nauseum).

So I'm back to struggling with all the quirks of the iView, which actually has an excuse for being a piece of junk (low price, though you could argue that's now Sony's problem too). This time around, I've found a few things to make it work better than before, some mentioned here, some not, so I'll just pass them along:

1. Recording media. Despite iView documentation and this forum, it seems you CAN use USB flash drives, you just have to get the right one, and if you do, it seems to be the best solution. The real problem with flash drives is the manufacturers do just about everything to hide the actual gating factor for this use, which is the write speed of the drive. For reliable US ASTC TV recording, you need a flash drive with a write speed north of 20 Mbps, since each 6Mhz TV channel provides a total of 19.2 Mbps of streaming data. 1080i DD 5.1 video/audio typically is currently allocated somewhere around 9-12 Mbps of that 19.2 Mbps, so a 20 Mbps write speed should be able to record even the worst case where the station allocates the entire 19.2 Mbps to a single "sub-channel".

The jerks at the flash drive makers generally won't say what their write speeds are, leaving that up to individuals and organizations to test their products for them. Almost all flash drive makers wave their hands and say their USB 3.0 flash drives have 10 times the speed of a 2.0 drive, but that's irrelevant, it's the speed and other characteristics of the recording media that's critical, not the speed of the port. And in some cases, 3.0 USB flash drives actually have the same OR WORSE write speeds as the cheapest 2.0 drives, so you can't just buy a 3.0 drive and be done with it. So I wound up wasting a lot of Internet time researching this topic and wound up buying a USB 3.0 Toshiba "TransMemory ID" flash drive with a write speed around 20.47 Mbps (through either a 2.0 or 3.0 port, which is almost always the case, but another fact the flash drive makers don't want you to know).

Bottom line is, it's working flawlessly for recording FHD DD5.1 video. You do want to format the drive as NTFS with as big a partition as available. The flash drive and the iView stay nice and cool using this media. I couldn't say the same thing for a 1TB Seagate USB-powered HDD, that worked, but heated up the iView uncomfortably, and responded MUCH more slowly to asynchronous recordings, and just generally acted weirdly in that use. A 2TB USB-powered Seagate drive generated a lot less heat (must be a later generation thing), but was still slower to respond than a flash drive. I also suspect that certain characteristics of the Toshiba flash drive (hint: it's NOT super-fast) will make it a more durable drive to shuttle around video files back and forth to my PC, but we'll see.

2. New firmware. I went ahead and got the latest firmware for my particular iView 3500STB from the iView web-site, and it made a world of difference in many different areas of functionality. Now it is ALMOST a usable piece of consumer electronics, although maybe it just seems that way by comparison...I do know that although the tuner in my living room TV is working again, I haven't yet thrown the iView back in the junk box; I may be able to use it for some things...

3. Comparison with WMC (RIP long live WMC). I was forced by the evil empire to upgrade to a new Windows 10 system with a ton of horsepower but no Windows Media Center. As it turns out, Microsoft stopped really supporting WMC about the time I got my last computer. Despite some silly quirks, it worked pretty good as a DVR, and I kind of built an entire bootlegged video production capability around it.

Thing is, my last computer works just fine, and I am continuing to use WMC on it for the bulk of my DVR uses. As a matter of fact, I will be locating it in the entertainment center vicinity, since I will only be using it as a DVR in the future. But I have made several recordings on the iView, because as bad as the iView and the iView remote are, they are better than my non-existent remote for WMC. I may actually use the iView preferentially for most OTA guide and DVR purposes, in conjunction with WMC.

4. Disjointed audio on MPEG-2 files played on the iView. I was disappointed to note something that I've never seen discussed here or anywhere. When I play MPEG-2 files with DD5.1 sound the audio becomes increasingly disjointed from the video as the playback progresses. It seems to be related somewhat to any recording glitches caused by small transitory OTA interference. It can be fixed temporarily by stopping playback, then resuming it, but it immediately begins to increasingly drift again over time. It may be related to how I typically created the MPEG-2 files from the original dvr-ms files in WMC. I don't see the same problem with playback in any other devices (TV, Blu-Ray, etc.), just the iView.

Well, for right now, I'll just stop after wasting another $50+ of my time typing this message complaining about a $40 box...everybody's got to have a hobby, right?

--
max
maxreactance is offline  
post #4792 of 4948 Old 11-21-2016, 01:11 PM
Newbie
 
Jmanolinsky's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 9
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim1348 View Post
I took our iView-3500STB out of service in May. It was working fine then. Today, when I plugged it in, the unit no longer powers up. Is there anything that I can try?

Also, are any local brick and mortar stores carrying these? For example, Wal Mart, Best Buy Micro Center, etc.
Jim1348,


My original STB3500 suddenly stopped working as you described. I took it apart and noticed two capacitors that had gone bad. I picked up some at the local electronics store for less than 5 bucks, soldered them in and my unit has been working like new again for months now. Look for leaking or mushroomed ends on the caps. I had one leaking and one mushroomed. It was pretty obvious what had failed.


Jman
Jmanolinsky is offline  
post #4793 of 4948 Old 11-21-2016, 03:34 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
JHBrandt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: S. Garland, TX
Posts: 4,365
Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1481 Post(s)
Liked: 743
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jmanolinsky View Post
Jim1348,

My original STB3500 suddenly stopped working as you described. I took it apart and noticed two capacitors that had gone bad. I picked up some at the local electronics store for less than 5 bucks, soldered them in and my unit has been working like new again for months now. Look for leaking or mushroomed ends on the caps. I had one leaking and one mushroomed. It was pretty obvious what had failed.

Jman
Don't know if this is possible with the 3500, but @fathereagle modified an eMatic to run off a 5V wall-wart (often sold as USB chargers):
Quote:
Originally Posted by fathereagle View Post
FYI, these things are easily converted to USB power, get rid of the 110vAC to 5vdc conversion inside the chassis and it will run significantly cooler. No fan needed.

I have one running in my car currently.
Quote:
Originally Posted by fathereagle View Post


It's super easy to convert. I've run it off a 1.5 amp adapter with a flash drive, and a 2.1 amp adapter with a USB HDD powered off it as well.
JHBrandt is offline  
post #4794 of 4948 Old 11-23-2016, 03:59 AM
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 36
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 19 Post(s)
Liked: 1
RE: I have a 3500STBII and am anxious to upgrade my firmware (S/N 1511xxx, SW Version: 201522V5.00; HW Version 7802123783650) to fix the "Add Event" bug .. I took your advice, navigated to http://www.iviewus.com/firmware3500STBII/ and downloaded & installed IVIEW-3500STBII (EPG Fixed) - 1511 - 6 MB - 10/31/2016. I am happy to report that the "Add Event" bug has been fixed JH .. Update on above (EPG Fixed) f/w update .. Now the "Add Event" feature works correctly, BUT the unit does not always record the scheduled/booked event. Seems to be a hit-or-miss recording bug. Sometimes you get a recording error message. Additionally, pressing the red RECORD button does not always work.

Uh-oh; can you provide more details? What does the recording error message say?

JH .. The error messages state: "Enter Recording, Waiting" and "Unknown Error, Leaving". I use a fast SanDisk USB thumb drive that has been performing well for over a year. If I turn the unit OFF, then reboot, the error messages go away and the unit records / plays perfectly. Also, if I do not reboot, the unit will not play any previously recorded programs on the USB drive. Have you experienced these error messages, issues? Interestingly, if I select a program to be VIEWED, not recorded, the unit switches to the correct channel just fine with no error messages. Do you think the 1604 firmware might help ?
LH92037 is offline  
post #4795 of 4948 Old 11-23-2016, 08:11 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
JHBrandt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: S. Garland, TX
Posts: 4,365
Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1481 Post(s)
Liked: 743
The 1604 firmware is worth a try. I haven't run into this issue myself so I don't know for sure, but it might help and I can't see any reason not to try it. You can always flash the 1511 firmware back on your box if 1604 doesn't help.

When I tried the 1604 firmware on mine, I noticed several bugs but they were all pretty minor except for the CC on playback bug. But if the 1604 firmware records more reliably, that's probably more important.

If changing the firmware doesn't help, you could also try another HDD, even though the one you're using has been working until recently. Perhaps the new firmware versions don't get along with it for some obscure reason.

It sounds like your box's USB port just quits working somehow after it's been on for a while. It's hard to tell if this is a new firmware bug or a hardware issue such as overheating. Maybe it's been a problem for a while but you're just now noticing it because you're using it more now that the "Add Event" bug is fixed.
JHBrandt is offline  
post #4796 of 4948 Old 11-23-2016, 10:29 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
JHBrandt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: S. Garland, TX
Posts: 4,365
Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1481 Post(s)
Liked: 743
Quote:
Originally Posted by QAM View Post
BTW, just received a reply from the folks at iView and they recommend the 1603 firmware for my serial# 1601 3200STB box.

Good to hear the EPG entry works, as well as the "bare channel entry" fix. That is a real pain, currently.
I discovered something interesting about entering "bare" channels with the new firmware: If you enter a bare channel number, it first looks for a matching channel number, and if it exists it tunes to the lowest subchannel for that channel. So, if I enter 23, it tunes to 23-2 (because I've flagged 23-1 as a "skipped" channel). So far, that's pretty normal.

But here's the interesting part. If there isn't a matching channel number, it looks for a matching subchannel of the current channel and tries to tune that instead! So, let's say I'm on 30-1. If I punch in "4" it'll go to channel 4-1, because that exists; but if I punch in "3" it'll go to 30-3, because there's no 3-anything in my area, but there is a 30-3!

So with the new version, you can change to a different subchannel by entering just the subchannel number if there's no matching channel number in your area. Note that's always true for "1;" there's no channel 1 anywhere so entering 1 will always take you to the -1 subchannel if your current channel has one. (I suppose that's also true for "37" but I've never seen a channel with 37 subchannels!)

I think that's what they were trying to accomplish with the firmware your 3200 shipped with; they just didn't get it right until this new version.
JHBrandt is offline  
post #4797 of 4948 Old 11-23-2016, 11:20 AM
QAM
Member
 
QAM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 108
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 23 Post(s)
Liked: 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post
I discovered something interesting about entering "bare" channels with the new firmware: If you enter a bare channel number, it first looks for a matching channel number, and if it exists it tunes to the lowest subchannel for that channel. So, if I enter 23, it tunes to 23-2 (because I've flagged 23-1 as a "skipped" channel). So far, that's pretty normal.

But here's the interesting part. If there isn't a matching channel number, it looks for a matching subchannel of the current channel and tries to tune that instead! So, let's say I'm on 30-1. If I punch in "4" it'll go to channel 4-1, because that exists; but if I punch in "3" it'll go to 30-3, because there's no 3-anything in my area, but there is a 30-3!

So with the new version, you can change to a different subchannel by entering just the subchannel number if there's no matching channel number in your area. Note that's always true for "1;" there's no channel 1 anywhere so entering 1 will always take you to the -1 subchannel if your current channel has one. (I suppose that's also true for "37" but I've never seen a channel with 37 subchannels!)

I think that's what they were trying to accomplish with the firmware your 3200 shipped with; they just didn't get it right until this new version.
Wow, cool find. At first glance, entering a non-existent channel number and it going to a sub-channel sounds great, as it saves you the step of entering the "-" as is the convention on must tv's. But on second thought, it should default to the current channel if a non-existent channel number is entered (so as to not add to the confusion). I give iView a "B+" for effort, but a "C-" on execution of this issue.

BTW, in many TV markets around the country, there really is an OTA channel 1. The reason being is that all the channel numbers we are talking about here are "virtual channel numbers" as per the ATSC spec. True, there is NO "physical channel number 1" as per FCC specs, but often the (virtual) Channel 1 is used as a combo channel guide and advertising channel for the local TV viewers.

I'm still debating whether to upgrade the FW, given the minor quirks. They got most of it right, but I'm still on the fence. LOL
QAM is offline  
post #4798 of 4948 Old 11-23-2016, 01:25 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
JHBrandt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: S. Garland, TX
Posts: 4,365
Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1481 Post(s)
Liked: 743
I never heard of an OTA channel 1 or 37, but many cable systems have them. So I checked with RabbitEars.Info, but I couldn't find an OTA virtual channel 1 or 37 there either. Still, there's no reason you couldn't have, say, a channel 1.1 if you wanted. It could be just a low-bandwidth subchannel of an ordinary station in the area (like many weather channels), and it would make sense to broadcast one of the old "slow-scroll" channel guides there.

It's just that legacy OTA stations set their virtual channel to their old analog channel, and new ones set it to their physical channel number if it's available, and if unavailable they make a "closed loop" with the station with their physical channel number. (For instance, in DFW, after the DTV transition we ended up with legacy channels 21 on RF 29 and 29 on RF 30, so when a new station went on the air on RF 21, it became channel 30, closing the loop.) Since no one was on channel 1 before, no one ever ends up using that channel number now.

(Trivia: some cable systems have a physical channel 1! It follows channel 4, and they move channels 5 & 6 up by 2 MHz to make room. This cuts a couple MHz off of the 20 MHz-wide FM band, but these cable systems usually take that over for physical channels 95-97 anyway. I don't know if the iView has a way to tune physical channels 1, 5, and 6 on these systems.)


Most of the quirks I found in the new 1603 firmware aren't present in the 1511 firmware iView posted on their 3500 firmware page, so that's the version I finally went with. My System / Information page now incorrectly reads Model: iView 3500STBII, and the new 12-hour time format isn't quite right, but I can live with that.

BTW, I think if you enter a non-existent channel number, it's probably a mistake; not an attempt to change subchannels. So while the iView's trick is neat, it probably isn't what you were trying to do. So if I enter a "3," the old behavior of just reporting "Invalid Channel" probably makes more sense than going to channel whatever-3.
JHBrandt is offline  
post #4799 of 4948 Old 11-24-2016, 11:06 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 36
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 19 Post(s)
Liked: 1
RE: I have a 3500STBII and am anxious to upgrade my firmware (S/N 1511xxx, SW Version: 201522V5.00; HW Version 7802123783650) to fix the "Add Event" bug ..
Uh-oh; can you provide more details? What does the recording error message say?
JH .. The error messages state: "Enter Recording, Waiting" and "Unknown Error, Leaving". I use a fast SanDisk USB thumb drive that has been performing well for over a year.

JH .. 1511 f/w Update .. Good News .. I took your advice and tried a different San Disk thumb drive .. Recording problems solved !! Will see if this is a permanent solution, if not, I will try f/w1604 and report back. Thanks again for the sage advice.
LH92037 is offline  
post #4800 of 4948 Old 11-25-2016, 09:25 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
JHBrandt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: S. Garland, TX
Posts: 4,365
Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1481 Post(s)
Liked: 743
Quote:
Originally Posted by LH92037 View Post
RE: I have a 3500STBII and am anxious to upgrade my firmware (S/N 1511xxx, SW Version: 201522V5.00; HW Version 7802123783650) to fix the "Add Event" bug ..
Uh-oh; can you provide more details? What does the recording error message say?
JH .. The error messages state: "Enter Recording, Waiting" and "Unknown Error, Leaving". I use a fast SanDisk USB thumb drive that has been performing well for over a year.

JH .. 1511 f/w Update .. Good News .. I took your advice and tried a different San Disk thumb drive .. Recording problems solved !! Will see if this is a permanent solution, if not, I will try f/w1604 and report back. Thanks again for the sage advice.
Good to hear - and interesting! Is the new San disk drive the same model as the old one?
JHBrandt is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply HDTV Recorders

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off