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Besides the factory reset could you try unplugging it from the wall for a minute and then connecting power back on (cold reboot)?
I have also done multiple "cold reboots" as you suggested. Today is day 3 of turning it on and still having channels stored.
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After turning the antenna, I would do a full scan, receiving 38-76 channels, based on direction. Using and watching it that day is fine. The next day when I turn it on, it is receiving 0 channels.
Not certain, but I suspect you have a defective DVR+. I suggest you contact CM support. They're really very friendly, helpful people, that will, if my experience was any guide, bend over backwards to make a customer happy.
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Not certain, but I suspect you have a defective DVR+. I suggest you contact CM support. They're really very friendly, helpful people, that will, if my experience was any guide, bend over backwards to make a customer happy.
My DVR+ is 6 months old, and with my experience with them in the past, I am not hopeful. IF they even offered to do anything, they would want me to pay to ship it to them, wait for them to test it, and then pay for them to send the same one back to me. It has been working for 3 days now. I will see if there are any diagnostics next time it loses all the channels and channel list.
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Hi all. Just got a new DVR+ and it is working well. One question: how do I set it to record a whole series? The 'record' button only seems to record the selected episode in the guide. I may be missing something obvious, but haven't found any options for recording all episodes of something. BTW it is the 16 gb model with a 1TB hdd connected, and no wifi.
1. In the guide, move the highlight to the show you want to record.
2. Press the "OK" button on the remote.
3. Select "Record program".
4. Select "Record all programs with this name".

Note that this will record all airings with this exact name. I'm pretty sure that this is case-sensitive. But I'm not 100% positive on that. Also note that the DVR+ doesn't differentiate between new and repeat episodes. The repeats will be recorded.

You mention that you have no WiFi. Does that mean that you have no Internet connection at all? Or are you using the Ethernet connection to connect directly to your router? If you're using the direct Ethernet connection, then that provides the same functionality as the WiFi. If you have no Internet connection at all, I highly recommend connecting your DVR+. Your TV life becomes much better with it.
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Great, thanks much.

About the wifi, there is no internet connection at all. I am trying to see if we can do without the dongle. You get the extended guide, and can update software from wifi, but any other advantages?

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1. In the guide, move the highlight to the show you want to record.
2. Press the "OK" button on the remote.
3. Select "Record program".
4. Select "Record all programs with this name".

Note that this will record all airings with this exact name. I'm pretty sure that this is case-sensitive. But I'm not 100% positive on that. Also note that the DVR+ doesn't differentiate between new and repeat episodes. The repeats will be recorded.

You mention that you have no WiFi. Does that mean that you have no Internet connection at all? Or are you using the Ethernet connection to connect directly to your router? If you're using the direct Ethernet connection, then that provides the same functionality as the WiFi. If you have no Internet connection at all, I highly recommend connecting your DVR+. Your TV life becomes much better with it.
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Great, thanks much.

About the wifi, there is no internet connection at all. I am trying to see if we can do without the dongle. You get the extended guide, and can update software from wifi, but any other advantages?
You get the extended guide with more accurate programming information. Vudu, and updates.

I just used a wireless bridge ($19 on Amazon) to hardwire cat5 cable into my DVR+. Definitely a much better experience with Internet.
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Use of Multiple USB drives for a Library

I asked Channel Master about the use of multiple USB drives, for a library, on the DVR+. Here's effectively what they said.

1. Only one USB drive can be active at a time. If a 2nd USB drive is attached, it is not used.
2. When a USB drive fills up and is disconnected, another USB drive can be connected and that drive will receive future recordings, without affecting the recordings on the disconnected drive.
3. If the 2nd USB drive is disconnected, the 1st USB drive can be reconnected in order to play its recordings. Or, as expected, if some recordings are deleted, more recordings can be made.
4. In this way, there can be a library of USB drives, but again, only one at a time.

Now I'm wondering if USB drives can be moved between two DVR+ units? Anyone know?

As noted, in a previous post, the DVR+ that has an internal hard drive will NOT record to the internal hard drive if a USB drive is connected. If that USB drive is disconnected, recordings will again go to the internal hard drive.
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Why wouldn't the drives be usable on multiple units? Unlike the new Magnavox, the DVR+ doesn't limit the number of drives you can use on each unit.
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How many hours will a 3TB hard drive record?

Very basic question about external hard drive capacity that seems intuitively obvious--but who knows with electronics:

CM says of its new 1TB model: "Record up to 160 hours of HD . . . with 1TB of built-in storage capacity."

So . . . will my 3TB Seagate external hard drive record "up to" 480 hours of HD? Or close to that? What variables determine how close?


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How many hours will a 3TB hard drive record?

Very basic question about external hard drive capacity that seems intuitively obvious--but who knows with electronics:

CM says of its new 1TB model: "Record up to 160 hours of HD . . . with 1TB of built-in storage capacity."

So . . . will my 3TB Seagate external hard drive record "up to" 480 hours of HD? Or close to that? What variables determine how close?


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The storage required for 480i, 720p and 1080i will use a different amount of storage. If you watch mostly Fox or ABC you will get more stored. 1080i/5.1 is about 8GB per hour. 720p/5.1 is about 6GB per hour.
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Why wouldn't the drives be usable on multiple units? Unlike the new Magnavox, the DVR+ doesn't limit the number of drives you can use on each unit.
I don't know, that's why I asked. Perhaps the USB drive gets tied to the DVR+ Serial Number for some crazy copy protection nonsense? I don't know.
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Just got my CM DVR+ in the mail today from the manufacturer. I can't seem to get the DVR to get past the "DVR+" logo screen. Every time I plug in the DVR+, for the first 15 seconds, I see the 'DVR+' logo on my screen--which leads me to believe my wiring and TV input (HDMI1) is set up correctly--then the TV loses its connection to the DVR+ as signified by the TV blinking black & displaying its input selection (HDMI1) in the upper left hand corner of the TV screen. 10 seconds later, the DVR+'s LED finally goes from solid RED to blinking BLUE, then solid BLUE. Pressing buttons on the remote does nothing.

Tech support sent me these instructions to manually update the software which did nothing:

The sequence is first make sure that the software update is on the usb flash drive and that nothing else is on the drive. (Please plug it into a computer and make sure you see no file that says "core dumps") Then follow these steps below.

1. Plug the USB flash drive into the DVR+. (remove wifi adapter if you are using that and not the external drive.)
2. Unplug the power from the DVR.
3. Press and hold the power button on the front of the DVR+.
4. Plug the power back in and keep holding the power button until you see the lights go from red to blue to red and then off. Once the lights go away, let go of the power button and wait three seconds. After the three seconds, press the power button once and then it should go to a grey screen.
5. Once it does this then all you need to do is wait.

If you do this and it does not go straight to the update please let us know so we can set up a phone call to help you figure this out. Thank you and have a great day.

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No grey screen. Any ideas?
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Just got my CM DVR+ in the mail today from the manufacturer. I can't seem to get the DVR to get past the "DVR+" logo screen. Every time I plug in the DVR+, for the first 15 seconds, I see the 'DVR+' logo on my screen--which leads me to believe my wiring and TV input (HDMI1) is set up correctly--then the TV loses its connection to the DVR+ as signified by the TV blinking black & displaying its input selection (HDMI1) in the upper left hand corner of the TV screen. 10 seconds later, the DVR+'s LED finally goes from solid RED to blinking BLUE, then solid BLUE. Pressing buttons on the remote does nothing.

Tech support sent me these instructions to manually update the software which did nothing:

The sequence is first make sure that the software update is on the usb flash drive and that nothing else is on the drive. (Please plug it into a computer and make sure you see no file that says "core dumps") Then follow these steps below.

1. Plug the USB flash drive into the DVR+. (remove wifi adapter if you are using that and not the external drive.)
2. Unplug the power from the DVR.
3. Press and hold the power button on the front of the DVR+.
4. Plug the power back in and keep holding the power button until you see the lights go from red to blue to red and then off. Once the lights go away, let go of the power button and wait three seconds. After the three seconds, press the power button once and then it should go to a grey screen.
5. Once it does this then all you need to do is wait.

If you do this and it does not go straight to the update please let us know so we can set up a phone call to help you figure this out. Thank you and have a great day.

Channel Master


No grey screen. Any ideas?

I had the same thing happen to me. It was because I tried to use the remote control plug on the back of the DVR+ with a non-CM remote extension. I think you can assume something is plugged in incorrectly.

You might try it with just the power plug and the HDMI to verify my theory.
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How many hours will a 3TB hard drive record?

So . . . will my 3TB Seagate external hard drive record "up to" 480 hours of HD? Or close to that? What variables determine how close?
As Joe said, the bitrate of the station you're recording determines the space required for each file. You can often determine how much that will be by how many subchannels the station has. Here's my usual breakdown:

1080i with no subchannels: 8 GB / hr
1080i with subchannels: 6 GB / hr
720p with subchannels: 4 GB / hr
480i subchannel: 2 GB / hr

The numbers depend upon the stations in your market, of course. Some 720p channels can be 6 GB / hr or higher.

If we assume 5 GB / hr (factoring in some recordings from 8 GB / hr and some from 2 GB / hr stations), a 3 TB HDD would give you 3 000 GB / 5 GB / hr = 600 hours of recording time. If you recorded only SD programs, you could perhaps fit 1 500 hours (3 000 GB / 2 GB / hr).

On the other hand, if you recorded only maxed-out 1080i stations, you'd have only 375 hours of recording time (3 000 / 8 GB / hr).

Note that these figures ignore space lost due to formatting the drive (space consumed by the ext2 filesystem itself) and any other system files the DVR+ might create.

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I don't know, that's why I asked. Perhaps the USB drive gets tied to the DVR+ Serial Number for some crazy copy protection nonsense? I don't know.
There is no such known restriction. It should work just fine.
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I had the same thing happen to me. It was because I tried to use the remote control plug on the back of the DVR+ with a non-CM remote extension. I think you can assume something is plugged in incorrectly.

You might try it with just the power plug and the HDMI to verify my theory.
Thanks Aleron Ives. I understand the antenna signal isn't my issue, I'd like to think something is plugged in incorrectly, but I'm getting the "DVR+" logo on my TV screen every time I reboot the DVR+.
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So I got frustrated and just started randomly holding the power button then releasing and unplugging for about 30 seconds and then Blink! it started downloading the software update...but, unfortunately this did not resolve the problem. I'll see what the CM tech guys say in the morning and report back
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I asked Channel Master about the use of multiple USB drives, for a library, on the DVR+. Here's effectively what they said.

1. Only one USB drive can be active at a time. If a 2nd USB drive is attached, it is not used.
2. When a USB drive fills up and is disconnected, another USB drive can be connected and that drive will receive future recordings, without affecting the recordings on the disconnected drive.
3. If the 2nd USB drive is disconnected, the 1st USB drive can be reconnected in order to play its recordings. Or, as expected, if some recordings are deleted, more recordings can be made.
4. In this way, there can be a library of USB drives, but again, only one at a time.

Now I'm wondering if USB drives can be moved between two DVR+ units? Anyone know?

As noted, in a previous post, the DVR+ that has an internal hard drive will NOT record to the internal hard drive if a USB drive is connected. If that USB drive is disconnected, recordings will again go to the internal hard drive.
As I did tests with internal SATA/USB and both drives before your question comes up
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As noted, in a previous post, the DVR+ that has an internal hard drive will NOT record to the internal hard drive if a USB drive is connected. If that USB drive is disconnected, recordings will again go to the internal hard drive.
Unfortunately there does not appear to be a way to transfer recordings between the internal HDD and an external USB HDD. I would not be surprised if you cannot even play recordings that are stored on the internal HDD if an external USB HDD is attached.

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Unfortunately there does not appear to be a way to transfer recordings between the internal HDD and an external USB HDD. I would not be surprised if you cannot even play recordings that are stored on the internal HDD if an external USB HDD is attached.
CM confirmed to me earlier that recordings cannot be transferred between drives (see Channel Master DVR+ Owners Thread), but they didn't mention if the recordings on the internal drive could be played while a USB drive is attached, so I too suspect there is no access to the internal drive.
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CM confirmed to me earlier that recordings cannot be transferred between drives (see Channel Master DVR+ Owners Thread), but they didn't mention if the recordings on the internal drive could be played while a USB drive is attached, so I too suspect there is no access to the internal drive.
That would be a shocking flaw in the DVR. An external drive should just be added to the mount points of the underlying vurtual file system layer in the OS and accesible to the system. Maybe their GUI doesnt expose it to the user though....Should be a no brainer for them to implement.
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That would be a shocking flaw in the DVR. An external drive should just be added to the mount points of the underlying vurtual file system layer in the OS and accesible to the system. Maybe their GUI doesnt expose it to the user though....Should be a no brainer for them to implement.
Thanks. One more question if you don't mind. What does DVR+ do when the HDD is full? Does it not record anymore, or does it overwrite some existing (oldest and/or viewed) recordings? The latter would be nicer, so you never have to worry about manually deleting something after watching it.
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CM confirmed to me earlier that recordings cannot be transferred between drives (see Channel Master DVR+ Owners Thread), but they didn't mention if the recordings on the internal drive could be played while a USB drive is attached, so I too suspect there is no access to the internal drive.
I did the DVR+ int/ext HDDs tests and posted the result (is it just some sort of conspiracy - Enton's CM-7400 behave same way)
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Thanks. One more question if you don't mind. What does DVR+ do when the HDD is full? Does it not record anymore, or does it overwrite some existing (oldest and/or viewed) recordings? The latter would be nicer, so you never have to worry about manually deleting something after watching it.
I did a quick Google search and found a comment in a review of the DVR+ about getting "a false message that my hard drive was low on space and my designated recordings may not be complete". So it appears that the DVR+ will warn you when your drive space is getting low. See: http://hometheater.about.com/od/inte...DVR-Review.htm

You can read the percentage of recording space used on the DVR Recordings screen.
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New DVR+ owner. I've read most of this whole thread, and I have a couple questions that I can't find the answer to.

1) Is there anyway to set recording priority among scheduled recordings?

2) Is there a way to, for any given scheduled recording, only keep the most recent one of these? For example, a nightly news program.

I fear the answer is no, there is currently no way to do these things.
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New DVR+ owner. I've read most of this whole thread, and I have a couple questions that I can't find the answer to.

1) Is there anyway to set recording priority among scheduled recordings?

2) Is there a way to, for any given scheduled recording, only keep the most recent one of these? For example, a nightly news program.

I fear the answer is no, there is currently no way to do these things.
You are correct. The answer to both is "no". For question #2 , this may be of a little help - you can toggle the displayed sorting order of your existing recordings between alphabetical and chronological order with the yellow button. You'll at least be able to easily find the most recent recording of a show.
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You are correct. The answer to both is "no". For question #2 , this may be of a little help - you can toggle the displayed sorting order of your existing recordings between alphabetical and chronological order with the yellow button. You'll at least be able to easily find the most recent recording of a show.
OK, that's what I figured.

Well, they say people from Channel Master read this, so: these features were standard issue on DVRs years and years ago, so we would all appreciate it if they were fast-tracked on the DVR+.
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OK, that's what I figured.

Well, they say people from Channel Master read this, so: these features were standard issue on DVRs years and years ago, so we would all appreciate it if they were fast-tracked on the DVR+.
I doubt anyone from Channel Master is following this thread because if they were they would have realized by now all they need to do is update the PAL DVR/CM7000 with internet to provide guide service and they would have a hot seller!

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I doubt anyone from Channel Master is following this thread because if they were they would have realized by now all they need to do is update the PAL DVR/CM7000 with internet to provide guide service and they would have a hot seller!
I guess the only constant between the CM7000 and DVR+ is Rovi. That kinda sucks.
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Hello, all.

First, I wish to thank you all for contributing to this thread and its ancestor, the DTVpal thread. Both threads have provided me over the years with a wealth of information as well as a way of fixing one of my DTVpals (thank you, P Smith, wherever you are!)

I own two DTVpals and one CM7000PAL (two in use and one spare) and have been using "mine" for several years (the other belongs to my SO and is used for the usual OTA reality shows and soaps). I have accumulated several terabytes of PBS shows (I installed a removable drive sled on it) but have been looking at this thread for a while.

With the resuscitation of my dead DTVpal (overheating, due to too much lint on the fan; yep, that was a stupid thing to allow), I started to seriously consider exploring the possibility of switching over to the next iteration.

I don't recall the post number but someone reported that Crutchfield had the DVR+ in stock. When I visited, it wasn't but I asked to be notified when they were in. They recently emailed me and I bought the model with the 1TB drive built in as well as the WiFi dongle. (There has been some discussion about what a rip-off this seems, but I figured my time was more valuable than chasing a cheaper solution, which I did in another context, but I digress.)

I received it last week and installed it this past Saturday. Everything is as advertised: it works with a minimum amount of fuss. Of course, it has its idiosynchracies and differences from the DTVpal, but those have been discussed extensively by you all.

Yesterday I purchased a Western Digital My Passport 0820 Media at Costco, 2 TB capacity (but 1.8 TB by the "other" count) for $119. It was originally NTFS formatted.

After connection to DVR+, the drive was detected. I gave it the go-ahead to reformat and, after a reboot, the DVR+ accepted and recognized the drive, complete with name, size and serial number.

As recently reported by Pachinko, the DVR+ defaulted to the external disk and did not report the existence of an internal drive.

I recorded part of a PSB pledge week show ("Elvis: Aloha from Hawaii") and this morning I removed the WD from the DVR+ (while it was turned off as the drive appeared to be on standby). Upon turning the DVR+ back on, it informed me that its "upgrade" had been removed and that it would continue with its internal drive. It then rebooted. After it came back, I confirmed that the storage now in use is the internal drive.

In preparation, I had installed MacFUSE 2.0.3,2 and fuse-ext2-0.0.07 onto my 10-y-o Mac (PPC G5, 10.5.8; it still works but soon the Gods of the InterTubes are going to force me to upgrade as they are already punishing me by showing me the PBS schedule line up for only one day). Connecting the drive to it resulted on it being recognized as two drives, disk2s1 and disk2s2.

The Mac's Disk Utility reports that the drive has a "Master Boot Record" partition map scheme. disk2s1 is reported to be formatted as fuse-ext2 and its capacity is set at 976.5 MB, while disk2s2 is reported to be 1.8 TB also as fuse-ext2. At this point, those capacities seem strange as they add up to more than the 1.8 TB reported for the drive.

The trick is that the total number of bytes in this drive is 2,000,365,289,472 and for the disks are 1,023,975,424 for disk2s1 and 1,999,341,281,280 bytes for disk2s2. Those numbers do add up to nearly the total capacity and the apparent differences are due to "rounding" errors.

The Mac's Finder reports one file (Strm002.ts) and one folder (lost+found) in disk2s2. After exploring the files in disk2s1 with VLC (0.9.10), another file showed up in disk2s2 (Strm0003.ts) but it has zero length. Interestingly, the Finder does not display "reasonable" dates of "modification" for any files. For example, all files report a date of either Jan 1, 1970, or Dec 31, 1969. The "new" file's date is even wackier: Dec 31, 1903. This is no doubt due to the different ways in which dates are displayed in the Linux flavor of UNIX vs Mac OS. Using "Terminal" to check things out, returns "Input/output error" when "ls" attempts to give a listing of the folder. Doing "ls -la" does not show the "new" file. I am sure that all this has an explanation, but I won't pursue it. For now.

The encouraging fact is that the files are accessible if not initially playable by the VLC in this Mac. MPlayer OS X 2 (2.0b6) (SMPlayer's Mac analog) does not "see" any of the files (they are all grayed out). (OTOH, something is weird with the MPlayer installation as it does not show the video and only plays the audio of any other files. Testig with other files shows that MPlayer has a problem since VLC can play any other of my video files.)

I fixed the file in two ways: 1) using ffmpeg as suggested by JHBrabdt and DD24 (post 1106, most notably) and 2) using Handbrake (0.9.4 for ppc). ffmpeg took less than 5 minutes to chew over the slightly-more-than 35-minute, 2.93 GB file. Handbrake was able to create an mp4 file without me fiddling with its controls. The drawback is that it took nearly 7 hours. Handbrake uses ffmpeg but it does compress/mux the file to get it into mp4. The resulting mp4 is 1.27 GB while the "clean" TS file is 3.1 GB. But this is not surprising since ffmpeg is simply copying and "fixing" the mistakes it found.

The bottom line: 1) connecting an external drive to the DVR+ makes it the default storing destination, 2) the drive can be mounted in Macs (and PCs as shown by others), and 3) the files in the DVR+ can be archived, transferred to other computers, and can be made more portable by translating them to other formats.

Now, if I could figure out how to do the same to the files in my DTVpal, I would be a happy camper. Going off topic but bear with me: I can put a Mac formatted drive in a DTVpal and then put it back in the Mac and the Mac still thinks it is a Mac drive, with nary a trace of the files the DTVpal put there. PM me if you have any suggestions on what is going on and how to mount a DTVpal drive as so far I am stumped. (And, no, I am not going to talk to E* about it.)
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I did the DVR+ int/ext HDDs tests and posted the result (is it just some sort of conspiracy - Enton's CM-7400 behave same way)
Is this what you are referring to Sr. Smith?

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- second USB drive doesn't using/discovering/seen by the DVR (the test was to connect 100 GB HDD what was previously used while other 500 GB has been connected to the DVR);
It comes from post #1055. I interpreted that to mean that you were connecting a drive to each of the USB ports. You did not, at the time, had a DVR+ with an internal drive, I think.

Anyway, the date on that post is 01-10-2014 so I had hoped that more than seven months later the revisions of the FW would have addressed the possibility of choosing one drive or the other for recording. Also, I had hoped that CM would have made it possible to access the recordings on both drives by, say, choosing a "source" drive. Alas, no, that's not the case. Or at least I could not find it in the menus.

But Pachinko confirmed these observations by talking to CM. Oh, well, let's hope they take this suggestion and act on it. Or do we have to contact them directly to request that?
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