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Just curious-what makes you confident that CM is even capable of remaining competitive?
Do we know if CM is just a middleman, with ES being the only ones capable of development of the firmware?
Has CM's historical behavior proven to you they have a long history of delivering-even a short history of delivering????
Not too familiar with the company but from browsing this forum I get the impression they (CM/ES) have fallen short of delighting their customers.
For starters, the DVR+ is a very good DVR. It was the best available DVR not called TiVo at launch and it is the best DVR not called TiVo right now. They have introduced new features since launch. The fact that Vudu runs on the DVR+ says that the hardware is capable of running a bunch of other OTT apps. I like the sound of Linear OTT. They showed me enough at CES that I do not think it is vaporware. I actually believe their issues are related to licensing rather than technology. I also believe them when they say that Linear OTT was held up by an opportunity with a window -- I suspect that the window is Sling TV, HBO, and/or Netflix. No inside knowledge. Maybe just wishful thinking.

I still like the DVR+. I have used it offline and it is the best untethered DVR available.

So, as a hobbyist, I am excited to get these TiVos at a substantial discount and hope CM and TiVo engage in a feature war.
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Everyone should keep in mind we're a prickly bunch on this thread. I'm mostly delighted with my DVR+, but also quite willing to complain loudly about its shortcomings. Others are probably similar, so don't read our whining as necessarily meaning we're dissatisfied with the DVR+. We complain because we love....

The new TiVo offer is very aggressive. $299 is less than half of the regular Roamio+lifetime list price of $698 (of course I know few actually pay that full price, but they still pay far more than $299). I don't mind some competition, but I have to wonder if TiVo is playing "Monopoly;" trying to drive CM/E* out of the DVR market.

Don't know if they'll succeed, but if they do, I'd expect that $299 offer to go away pretty fast, and everyone except the folks who got $299 TiVos will be worse off. Hopefully CM/E* can compete successfully, and we'll all benefit instead.
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Everyone should keep in mind we're a prickly bunch on this thread. I'm mostly delighted with my DVR+, but also quite willing to complain loudly about its shortcomings. Others are probably similar, so don't read our whining as necessarily meaning we're dissatisfied with the DVR+. We complain because we love....

The new TiVo offer is very aggressive. $299 is less than half of the regular Roamio+lifetime list price of $698 (of course I know few actually pay that full price, but they still pay far more than $299). I don't mind some competition, but I have to wonder if TiVo is playing "Monopoly;" trying to drive CM/E* out of the DVR market.

Don't know if they'll succeed, but if they do, I'd expect that $299 offer to go away pretty fast, and everyone except the folks who got $299 TiVos will be worse off. Hopefully CM/E* can compete successfully, and we'll all benefit instead.
The $299 offer has already gone away, the link now takes you to the regular price of $50 with the $15 service plan.
One has to wonder why????
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Its hit or miss as to who gets the link to work.
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If you haven’t been to thread TiVo Roamio OTA DVR lately, you might want to discuss the TiVo offer there. Post 175, by Bryan_CoxPHX, lists the URLs to the other 6 promotions, which may be of interest to some.
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I believe this statement you made is not correct..."The fact that Vudu runs on the DVR+ says that the hardware is capable of running a bunch of other OTA apps." No one else picked up on it so maybe I am the one that is wrong. As far as I know VUDU is NOT an OTA APP. You have to be connected to the internet to get VUDU. It is an internet app.
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I believe this statement you made is not correct..."The fact that Vudu runs on the DVR+ says that the hardware is capable of running a bunch of other OTA apps." No one else picked up on it so maybe I am the one that is wrong. As far as I know VUDU is NOT an OTA APP. You have to be connected to the internet to get VUDU. It is an internet app.
VUDU or VUDU+ is definitely an internet streaming app. Not a very popular one either, due to its commercials.
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VUDU or VUDU+ is definitely an internet streaming app. Not a very popular one either, due to its commercials.
VUDU doesn't have commercials. Hulu does.
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VUDU doesn't have commercials. Hulu does.
Sorry, I knew it was one of them.
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For all of you who love to discuss TIVO on the DVR+ forum why not discuss TIVO here: 2014 list of consumer available DVR's


And leave this forum for DVR+ discussion!
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VUDU or VUDU+ is definitely an internet streaming app. Not a very popular one either, due to its commercials.
I think by OTA APP the poster was referring to an application which is made avaliable and downloaded to the device through the broadcast stream over the air using the ATSC specification for file carousel. As I recall there is a capability to present a filesystem of sorts through the broadcast to make avaliable for example firmware updates though I dont think anyone in the USA uses the capability. In this respect the VUDU app is for sure not an OTA app. The binary is built into the devices firmware as delivered to the customer and all the app does i utilize the network connection to talk to the VUDU/Walmart content servers and streams content.
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For starters, the DVR+ is a very good DVR. It was the best available DVR not called TiVo at launch and it is the best DVR not called TiVo right now. They have introduced new features since launch. The fact that Vudu runs on the DVR+ says that the hardware is capable of running a bunch of other OTA apps. I like the sound of Linear OTT. They showed me enough at CES that I do not think it is vaporware. I actually believe their issues are related to licensing rather than technology. I also believe them when they say that Linear OTT was held up by an opportunity with a window -- I suspect that the window is Sling TV, HBO, and/or Netflix. No inside knowledge. Maybe just wishful thinking.

I still like the DVR+. I have used it offline and it is the best untethered DVR available.

So, as a hobbyist, I am excited to get these TiVos at a substantial discount and hope CM and TiVo engage in a feature war.
I hope you are correct about CM. it was exciting to see them introduce a DVR into the marketplace and that is why I bought 2, a 16GB and 1TB version, to complement my Tivo S3's, Premiere's, and Roamio's......
Competition is good fur us consumers. I look forward to their new features they mention-including linear TV. They just need to move along lest they pick up Tivo's bad habit is sloooooooow development practice.
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I believe this statement you made is not correct..."The fact that Vudu runs on the DVR+ says that the hardware is capable of running a bunch of other OTA apps." No one else picked up on it so maybe I am the one that is wrong. As far as I know VUDU is NOT an OTA APP. You have to be connected to the internet to get VUDU. It is an internet app.
I probably did not articulate that well. I like the DVR+. I like it as an untethered OTA DVR. It does everything well in that regard. I have always regarded it as a runner up to the TiVo except in two regards 1) price and 2) lack of phone or internet requirement. Those who have run the DVR+ without an internet connection know that there is not a lot of drop off in value when you do not have the Rovi guide.

I have my DVR+s plugged in to the internet. I appreciate the additional functionality that comes with that -- namely YouTube and Vudu. This functionality was added after product launch, so I consider it a BONUS for early adopters.

There has been a lot of talk about the fact that CM has not delivered on teased enhancements. We were told that the two 'big' OTT apps which would come in January were delayed by work on Linear OTT then that Linear OTT was delayed by something special which had to be addressed in a window.

All I was saying is that the DVR+ is capable of streaming OTT because they have demonstrated the capability with YouTube and Vudu apps. I believe them when they say these are licensing issues. I believe those issues will work out and the DVR+ will be a better machine going forward.
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I believe this statement you made is not correct..."The fact that Vudu runs on the DVR+ says that the hardware is capable of running a bunch of other OTA apps." No one else picked up on it so maybe I am the one that is wrong. As far as I know VUDU is NOT an OTA APP. You have to be connected to the internet to get VUDU. It is an internet app.
I think he meant to type OTT, since "OTA app" doesn't make much sense.

Edit: A way "OTA app" might make sense just occurred to me: if CM released an app for something like, say, Ion's Airbox service. But Airbox is fully available only in Houston (it seems partly available in a few other cities such as Dallas), so that doesn't seem likely.
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The $299 offer has already gone away, the link now takes you to the regular price of $50 with the $15 service plan.
One has to wonder why????


You have to copy link into your browser, if it doesn't work try it again and again. Do not refresh otherwise it wont load. It took me about 3-4 times before it worked. Im using IE explorer V 11.0.960017691CO.


I was trying to post the link but since I'm a noob here it doesn't allow me
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You have to copy link into your browser, if it doesn't work try it again and again. Do not refresh otherwise it wont load. It took me about 3-4 times before it worked. Im using IE explorer V 11.0.960017691CO.


I was trying to post the link but since I'm a noob here it doesn't allow me
no need post it here - please proceed to Tivo thread!
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Until the Tivo units add the ability to directly connect external drives, I won't be jumping ship on the DVR+.
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Until the Tivo units add the ability to directly connect external drives, I won't be jumping ship on the DVR+.
The ability to use external drives is a dream for some people. The DVR+ should get a medal for their method. I can see someone having a whole closet full of 2TB drives. I use one on my PC and one on my laptop for removable storage.
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Until the Tivo units add the ability to directly connect external drives, I won't be jumping ship on the DVR+.
Why?

What's the big deal about support for external HDD's -- especially when talking about a unit that allows high speed network transfers of recordings to a PC/server in an .mpg format that is readily playable by just about any media player -- not to mention "unlimited" server storage. What good do external drives provide for the DVR+? It's not like you can just detach them and plug them into a PC or media player and watch the recordings. Not without jumping through a few hoops.
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The ability to use external drives is a dream for some people. The DVR+ should get a medal for their method. I can see someone having a whole closet full of 2TB drives. I use one on my PC and one on my laptop for removable storage.
Maybe because that is the only option as CM has not exposed the recording/metadata as a network share which have been even more usefull for most folks.
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The ability to use external drives is a dream for some people. The DVR+ should get a medal for their method. I can see someone having a whole closet full of 2TB drives. I use one on my PC and one on my laptop for removable storage.
This was a problem with the DTVPal (DVR+ predecessor) too. We Pal owners came up with ways to externalize our HDDs, and I did that with both of mine. You have to be careful though; the Pal wasn't designed for hot-swapping, so you can easily wipe out a drive's contents.
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First, the model in question of the 'other brand' is not 'WiFi enabled out-of-the-box' - only hard wired through cable or Ethernet. So, if you need to integrate this unit within your WiFi Home Network, you must ADD an Ethernet WiFi Bridge (NOT a USB WiFi Adapter), i.e. Asus EA-N66R. Second, neither the 'other brand' nor Western Digital has reported testing compatibility with the excellent DVR Expander WDBABT0010HBK-NESN, which DOES work with all the other models. So, someone interested in expanding the storage capabilities of the 'other brand' will have to risk the ~$100 to test compatibility and report their findings.
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First, the model in question of the 'other brand' is not 'WiFi enabled out-of-the-box' - only hard wired through cable or Ethernet. So, if you need to integrate this unit within your WiFi Home Network, you must ADD an Ethernet WiFi Bridge (NOT a USB WiFi Adapter), i.e. Asus EA-N66R. Second, neither the 'other brand' nor Western Digital has reported testing compatibility with the excellent DVR Expander WDBABT0010HBK-NESN, which DOES work with all the other models. So, someone interested in expanding the storage capabilities of the 'other brand' will have to risk the ~$100 to test compatibility and report their findings.
Which model are you talking about? It helps to include the quoted text.
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According to the 'Roamio OTA' site pages (some people get a joint out of place when a non-forum specific brand is mentioned - hence my cryptic statement) including the DVR with Mini installation with footnotes, WiFi is not supported - only coax and Ethernet. Also no Tivo mention of external HDD support with WD stating that it was not tested.
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According to the 'Roamio OTA' site pages (some people get a joint out of place when a non-forum specific brand is mentioned - hence my cryptic statement) including the DVR with Mini installation with footnotes, WiFi is not supported - only coax and Ethernet. Also no Tivo mention of external HDD support with WD stating that it was not tested.
It has wifi built in and hardwire is only needed if you want whole home service
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According to the 'Roamio OTA' site pages (some people get a joint out of place when a non-forum specific brand is mentioned - hence my cryptic statement) including the DVR with Mini installation with footnotes, WiFi is not supported - only coax and Ethernet. Also no Tivo mention of external HDD support with WD stating that it was not tested.
Last time I looked the only external HDD supported is the 1TB WD MYBook AV and it has to be eSATA also. I have one, but I'm pulling the drive and putting into a DVR. I'm not a fan of external drives the way they do it. The DVR+ way is better.

Series 5 has 802.11n at 5GHz. I never use it since the ASUS you mentioned has 802.11ac. I can transfer programs to my PC or older DVR at 90Mbps and back. And I have one of those Mini boxes on WiFi also. We good?
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For starters, the DVR+ is a very good DVR... They showed me enough at CES that I do not think it is vaporware. I actually believe their issues are related to licensing rather than technology. I also believe them when they say that Linear OTT was held up by an opportunity with a window -- I suspect that the window is Sling TV, HBO, and/or Netflix. No inside knowledge. Maybe just wishful thinking.
I've also suspect that the mostly likely cause for the delay in rolling out the Linear TV channels is due to the negotiation process not going as expected rather than actual technical issues.
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"...It has wifi built in and hardwire is only needed if you want whole home service..."


Are you saying that if the DVR is used alone plugged into only the TV, internet connection CAN be by Ethernet OR built-in WiFi, but if used as a Whole Home Networked DVR setup with up to 3 Mini's , it can only be interconnected by Ethernet? The WiFi Bridge previously stated should solve this connection requirement nicely. Right?


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"...Series 5 has 802.11n at 5GHz. I never use it since the ASUS you mentioned has 802.11ac. I can transfer programs to my PC or older DVR at 90Mbps and back. And I have one of those Mini boxes on WiFi also. We good? ..."


Roamio is not a series 5 device, so comment is confusing. So, are you saying that the Roamio CAN be used as a Whole Home 'Video Server' WITH WiFi if a WiFi Bridge as I described is used for both the DVR AND the Mini's? Are you confirming my previous statement?
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