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I have a Sony TV (see sig) which came with an excellent Rovi TV Guide. It came with Ad's but was an excellent Guide (better than DVR+ version in most ways).

This was disabled (at less than five years TV age by Rovi) and PSIP was supposed to take over, problem is that rarely ever works.
http://community.sony.com/t5/Televis.../640687#M20749

Naturally have the same fear with the DVR+ which is less than five years of age now.
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Sounds like your Sony used TVGOS. So did the DVR+'s predecessor (the DTVPal/CM-7000Pal) and the Sony DHG Joe mentioned:
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It happened with the Sony DHG after about six years (Sony DHG-HDD250/500: Official Thread) ....

So after 5 years or so ATSC 3.0 will be out and you'll need a new DVR anyhow.
When Rovi killed TVGOS, it pretty much killed the Sony DHG too, because it was (foolishly, in 20/20 hindsight) designed to be totally dependent on a service (TVGOS) provided by a third party.

Luckily, other devices such as the DTVPal could fall back to PSIP, although as you noted the quality of some PSIP guides isn't very good, depending on where you live. Similarly the DVR+ has a PSIP fallback in case anything ever happens to Rovi's Internet-based guide.

This (and ATSC 3.0) is the kind of "unplanned" obsolescence you can't really do anything about. The more advanced technology a device uses, the easier it gets for things to change and break something.
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I have a Sony TV (see sig) which came with an excellent Rovi TV Guide. It came with Ad's but was an excellent Guide (better than DVR+ version in most ways).

This was disabled (at less than five years TV age by Rovi) and PSP was supposed to take over, problem is that rarely ever works.
http://community.sony.com/t5/Televis.../640687#M20749

Naturally have the same fear with the DVR+ which is less than five years of age now.
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This is why the DVR+ is a great DVR. When Rovi redefined the word Lifetime with their OTA guide, DTVPal owners were delighted to have a PSIP backup. (One of my Pals is still in service.) With Rovi owning TiVo and on the DVR+, it's only a matter of time until they lose intere$t. When that happens, the DVR+ will remain a viable solution. With no hot or moving parts inside the box, this viable solution will likely actually last a lifetime.
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I took the plunge and bought one of those CM-3201 LTE filters yesterday. Surprisingly, CM is about the only company selling a 700 MHz LTE filter right now. (There's also an inexpensive LTE filter seen on Amazon and eBay, but that's an old 800 MHz filter from before the 2009 DTV transition.)

I bought it from Amazon. (They had the same price as CM - $25 - but free shipping.)

Right now I'm using a 750 MHz filter, but that doesn't even start to "bite" until RF channel 61, so I receive a lot of energy on RF channels 57-61 that doesn't get filtered out. There's even a little interference as high as channel 64, which added intermittent "herringbone" patterns to an analog TV signal I was creating on that channel.

I doubt it will improve my overall reception, since it's pretty good already, but hopefully it'll clear out all that RF garbage (at least it's garbage to my TVs, if not to my cell phones ) on channels 57+, so maybe those herringbone patterns will finally disappear.

BTW, just for grins I tried the Amplify that I bought for $44.44 during the July 4 sale (even though the Amplify is intended for someone else). The Amplify actually does a pretty good job of filtering out those channels. However, it was a bit too noisy compared to the amp I'm using now, so I lost several low-power stations to the added noise. So I switched back, and decided to replace the filter instead. Seems reasonable to expect CM's standalone filter to perform similarly to the one built into the Amplify, but since the filter is a passive device, it won't add any troublesome noise.
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Saw a new icon this evening

I was watching TV this evening and forgetting that I had not changed channels since I turned it on, I presses the "Back" button. Since I hadn't changed channels since powering it up, nothing happened except I got the band at the bottom of the screen telling me what channel is was on, along with a program description. But I also noticed a small battery icon appear on the top right of the band, about 30% to the left of the right edge. In that icon I also saw a little red triangle, which I interpreted as meaning the batteries in the remote were getting low. I pressed the Back button again, and the battery icon appeared, approximately a second or so after the band. I did this a few more times, but the battery icon didn't show up after the first couple. I was pleasantly surprised because I didn't know there was any indication provided by the remote to indicate battery strength. My speculation is that the icon disappeared because the batteries had mustered up enough strength to eliminate it. Now I will keep an eye on that section of the information band and try to correlate it with the remote beginning to lose its functionality. I don't know for sure that's what the icon means, but it makes sense. I'm just surprised that I've never seen it before.
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I was watching TV this evening and forgetting that I had not changed channels since I turned it on, I presses the "Back" button. Since I hadn't changed channels since powering it up, nothing happened except I got the band at the bottom of the screen telling me what channel is was on, along with a program description. But I also noticed a small battery icon appear on the top right of the band, about 30% to the left of the right edge. In that icon I also saw a little red triangle, which I interpreted as meaning the batteries in the remote were getting low. I pressed the Back button again, and the battery icon appeared, approximately a second or so after the band. I did this a few more times, but the battery icon didn't show up after the first couple. I was pleasantly surprised because I didn't know there was any indication provided by the remote to indicate battery strength. My speculation is that the icon disappeared because the batteries had mustered up enough strength to eliminate it. Now I will keep an eye on that section of the information band and try to correlate it with the remote beginning to lose its functionality. I don't know for sure that's what the icon means, but it makes sense. I'm just surprised that I've never seen it before.
Thanks! The "On-screen low-battery warning for the remote control" was added in DVR+ version 124R, but I've never seen it. It's one of the updates where CM actually informed us about new features.
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Post number greater than posts in thread

Somewhat off topic, but related to this thread, are you being notified when this thread receives a new post? I'm not! Since this started happening a few days ago, I've noticed that new post numbers are greater than the number of posts in the thread, and suspect that's causing this issue (see image below)?



I've also noted that my subscription page has not updated to show the latest post for this thread. Here's a screenshot of this thread, in my subscriptions, refreshed a few minutes ago (on 9/11/2017).


None of the other threads that I monitor are having this problem.
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yes, some other thread have same issue - see this one for example Directv II HD/4k
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I was watching TV this evening and forgetting that I had not changed channels since I turned it on, I presses the "Back" button. Since I hadn't changed channels since powering it up, nothing happened except I got the band at the bottom of the screen telling me what channel is was on, along with a program description. But I also noticed a small battery icon appear on the top right of the band, about 30% to the left of the right edge. In that icon I also saw a little red triangle, which I interpreted as meaning the batteries in the remote were getting low. I pressed the Back button again, and the battery icon appeared, approximately a second or so after the band. I did this a few more times, but the battery icon didn't show up after the first couple. I was pleasantly surprised because I didn't know there was any indication provided by the remote to indicate battery strength. My speculation is that the icon disappeared because the batteries had mustered up enough strength to eliminate it. Now I will keep an eye on that section of the information band and try to correlate it with the remote beginning to lose its functionality. I don't know for sure that's what the icon means, but it makes sense. I'm just surprised that I've never seen it before.
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Thanks! The "On-screen low-battery warning for the remote control" was added in DVR+ version 124R, but I've never seen it. It's one of the updates where CM actually informed us about new features.
Does the battery warning work with the original flat remote, or are you (Greasemonkey) using the new enhanced remote? When the feature came out I got the impression it would only work with the new remote; the low-battery detection circuit would have to be built into the remote itself, and I don't know if the original remote had the needed circuit.
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Somewhat off topic, but related to this thread, are you being notified when this thread receives a new post? I'm not! Since this started happening a few days ago, I've noticed that new post numbers are greater than the number of posts in the thread, and suspect that's causing this issue (see image below)?
Mine seems to consistently be two posts too low; for example, this post was post #14769 of 14767.
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I've also noted that my subscription page has not updated to show the latest post for this thread. Here's a screenshot of this thread, in my subscriptions, refreshed a few minutes ago (on 9/11/2017).
I noticed that too, but it did update today. I've sometimes seen that happen when I posted, and it went to the top of a new page of posts (at my posts-per-page setting), so I assumed that's what happened again this time, but apparently not!
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Does the battery warning work with the original flat remote, or are you (Greasemonkey) using the new enhanced remote? When the feature came out I got the impression it would only work with the new remote; the low-battery detection circuit would have to be built into the remote itself, and I don't know if the original remote had the needed circuit.
I'm using the flat remote that uses the two, coin-style batteries and running 132R. I've been running 132R since it was released, updated from 124R and have never seen it before, though I have changed the batteries at least once since updating to 124R. It adds an interesting twist to the equation if the low-battery detection circuit was built into the flat remote and it was the third to last FW update when it was added. The indicator has appeared several times since I first posted, but the only tangible indication I've noticed that the batteries are getting low is when I do a jump forward it sometimes only works every other press of the button unless I pause between presses. The low-battery indicator only remains onscreen for a brief moment, and doesn't appear at all if I keep pressing the buttons to intentionally make it appear. So far I have only seen it if I press the Info button or the Back button.
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Good - apparently the low-battery circuitry was in the flat remotes all along, but the DVR+ never did anything with the low-battery signal until 124R, which happened to come out at the same time as the new remotes.

Unfortunately, 124R also defeated some functionality of the older remotes - particularly the CC button. Hmm... I wonder if the never-released 115R shows the low-battery indicator?

Guess I need to put some old, weak batteries in and check this....

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Mine seems to consistently be two posts too low; for example, this post was post #14769 of 14767.
I noticed that too, but it did update today. I've sometimes seen that happen when I posted, and it went to the top of a new page of posts (at my posts-per-page setting), so I assumed that's what happened again this time, but apparently not!
At the moment, mine is two posts low as well.

My subscription page began updating after P Smiths reply, and continues to do so. I'm also receiving email notifications again.

I've seen the total posts out of sync after some posts were deleted, usually by the moderator, but I've never noticed the subscriptions page not updating to show new posts, or notifications being suppressed. Hopefully all is well again, even though the post counts are out of sync.
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I was watching TV this evening and forgetting that I had not changed channels since I turned it on, I presses the "Back" button. Since I hadn't changed channels since powering it up, nothing happened except I got the band at the bottom of the screen telling me what channel is was on, along with a program description. But I also noticed a small battery icon appear on the top right of the band, about 30% to the left of the right edge. In that icon I also saw a little red triangle, which I interpreted as meaning the batteries in the remote were getting low. I pressed the Back button again, and the battery icon appeared, approximately a second or so after the band. I did this a few more times, but the battery icon didn't show up after the first couple. I was pleasantly surprised because I didn't know there was any indication provided by the remote to indicate battery strength. My speculation is that the icon disappeared because the batteries had mustered up enough strength to eliminate it. Now I will keep an eye on that section of the information band and try to correlate it with the remote beginning to lose its functionality. I don't know for sure that's what the icon means, but it makes sense. I'm just surprised that I've never seen it before.
Good to know.

I could be wrong, but I think the on/off button on the remote will start flashing multiple times, maybe 3 times, with each command when the battery is getting low.
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I could be wrong, but I think the on/off button on the remote will start flashing multiple times, maybe 3 times, with each command when the battery is getting low.
I think you are el correcto on this. I just checked it out and the on/off button did flash when I pressed other buttons. If it was Morse code the sequence would have been dash-dot-dot. That's a "D" in Morse code, so perhaps there is a secret message in there. Come to think of it, "D" is the first letter of Dish...
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At the moment, mine is two posts low as well.

My subscription page began updating after P Smiths reply, and continues to do so. I'm also receiving email notifications again.

I've seen the total posts out of sync after some posts were deleted, usually by the moderator, but I've never noticed the subscriptions page not updating to show new posts, or notifications being suppressed. Hopefully all is well again, even though the post counts are out of sync.
My total post count seems to be correct again. Wonder how long that will last?

P.S. Got my LTE filter today. It is very effective - channels 57 and up are all clean as a whistle now. Take a look at this graph of the noise on RF 64, which was already being filtered by my 750 MHz filter:

Only downside I saw is a slight drop-off on RF 51:

Luckily, I don't watch that channel, so it looks like the LTE filter is fine for my situation. Others who have a station on RF 51 may want to wait for spectrum repacking (and possibly a new LTE filter model with an even lower cutoff).
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I'm using the flat remote that uses the two, coin-style batteries and running 132R. I've been running 132R since it was released, updated from 124R and have never seen it before, though I have changed the batteries at least once since updating to 124R. It adds an interesting twist to the equation if the low-battery detection circuit was built into the flat remote and it was the third to last FW update when it was added. The indicator has appeared several times since I first posted, but the only tangible indication I've noticed that the batteries are getting low is when I do a jump forward it sometimes only works every other press of the button unless I pause between presses. The low-battery indicator only remains onscreen for a brief moment, and doesn't appear at all if I keep pressing the buttons to intentionally make it appear. So far I have only seen it if I press the Info button or the Back button.
Thanks, I'm glad you could verify the low battery indicator works with the "thin" remote!

I tried to make both a CM-7500 remote ("thin") and a CM-7599XRC2 remote show the battery low indicator, by using various week batteries, but either the remotes work normally or don't work at all, and never show a battery low indicator. I tried in both 134R and 124R with the same result. I guess the batteries I'm using just don't fall in the voltage/amperage range that would trigger the low battery indicator.

Disregarding the effects of having a load on a battery, do you know the voltage of each of your button batteries? I'm finding that the CM-7500 (thin) remote works when both batteries are greater than 3.0 volts, but at 3.0 volts and lower it doesn't work at all. The batteries that have been in that remote for a long time are both at 3.04 volts, and it works perfectly with no battery low indicator. Another pair of batteries doesn't work at all, where one battery is 3.10 volts and the other is 3.01 volts. I would think that the 3.04 volt pair would trigger the low battery indicator, but they don't.

I don't have any weak AAA batteries for the CM-7599XRC2 ("Enhanced") remote, but I've tried draining one battery until it's below 1 volt, and the darn thing keeps working normally, with no low battery indicator. That said, after a couple of minutes, the drained battery builds back up to 1.23 volt, so that is probably affecting the results. I'll keep watching!
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The irony of a low-battery indicator in a remote control is that the battery still has to work well enough to send the low-battery signal! This is especially tricky with the flat remote, because the CR2032 batteries' discharge curve is just about as flat as the remote. By the time they're weak enough to be detectable as "low," they're just about spent, so the window during which the low-battery indicator will appear is rather small. Keep trying; you'll probably get it at some point.
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The irony of a low-battery indicator in a remote control is that the battery still has to work well enough to send the low-battery signal! This is especially tricky with the flat remote, because the CR2032 batteries' discharge curve is just about as flat as the remote. By the time they're weak enough to be detectable as "low," they're just about spent, so the window during which the low-battery indicator will appear is rather small. Keep trying; you'll probably get it at some point.
I would remove batteries and connect lab power source; by dialing the voltage knob you cold set any level and get the range easily
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I tried to make both a CM-7500 remote ("thin") and a CM-7599XRC2 remote show the battery low indicator, by using various week batteries, but either the remotes work normally or don't work at all, and never show a battery low indicator. I tried in both 134R and 124R with the same result. I guess the batteries I'm using just don't fall in the voltage/amperage range that would trigger the low battery indicator.
So far I've only seen the low battery indicator after the remote has been at rest for a few minutes. If I'm using the remote a lot by changing channels or using the other functions the indicator doesn't come on. It's just speculation, but I think increased activity on a remote with low batteries causes the electrons to find a new path of least resistance in the electrolyte material, which increases the power flow into the remote. Since the DVR+ is virtually useless without the remote--other than timer recording, I'll have to grab another package of batteries tomorrow so I'm not left hanging. My remote has generally burned through batteries fairly quickly, and I think these have lasted about 8 or 9 months. I've never seen the indicator using any function other than the Info and Back buttons, so I'm pretty sure those are the only times it is displayed. But it would be nice to see it on a few other screens like the Recording screen, Settings screen and Menu screen. If I remember before I change them I'll try to take a picture of the screen and post it.
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I would remove batteries and connect lab power source; by dialing the voltage knob you cold set any level and get the range easily
Yeah, I thought of that while doing what I was doing, but I don't have any equipment like that.
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Yeah, I thought of that while doing what I was doing, but I don't have any equipment like that.
one day, I would play with my flat remote, but what is holding me that's the model/FW ... HDT-610R; hope battery's Vmin threshold is the same
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Low Battery Indicator Icon Picture

Here's the picture of the low battery indicator icon. It shows up a second or so after the information band appears, and remains onscreen until the information band disappears.



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Here's the picture of the low battery indicator icon. It shows up a second or so after the information band appears, and remains onscreen until the information band disappears.

<img>http://tinypic.com/r/15gber9/9</img>

I've tried three ways of inserting a picture here, and though I've done it in the past I seem to have forgotten how now. I've attached it, bracketed the above link with image tags, and clicked on the Insert Image icon above and pasted the link above into the dialog box. None of them displays the image in the post. Can anyone tell me how to do it?
Thanks for the pic!

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The post numbering got back in sync for a while, but went out of sync again on Greasemonkey's post, and my subscriptions page did not show Greasemonkey's post. After my post above, the post numbering is back in sync, and the subscription page is updating again.
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post #14785 of 14806 Old 09-12-2017, 06:56 PM
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That said, I stopped using external image hosts, and upload all images to my thread in the Post Testing area (just make a thread for yourself). After saving the post, click on the attachment to display the full size image, and copy its URL. Use that URL with the Insert Image tool in any AVS Forum post. From my observations, the posts in the Post Testing area are never deleted by the forum, so the images are safe. This method allows inserting the full size image anywhere without also having the image as an attachment.
Thanks, @pachinko ! I'll remember that for future posts. This time, after reading your post I clicked on my attachment and used that URL with the image tool. In looking back at the URL I was trying to use, I think I copied the wrong one from TinyPic.

BTW, I was watching the local news when I took the picture of the screen. The face in the background of the picture is General Robert E. Lee, and the statue is most likely going to be coming down sometime in the future. So that picture captured a bit of history along with the low battery icon.
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The face in the background of the picture is General Robert E. Lee, and the statue is most likely going to be coming down sometime in the future. So that picture captured a bit of history along with the low battery icon.
They will probably insist this racist forum be taken down for hosting the image. You may want to crop the image before it's too late!
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I have a question that may have already been answered and if so, I'm sorry that I couldn't find the answer in the forum previously.

I accidentally recorded a program on my DVR+ internal memory (not my attached hard drive) and I'd really like to get it off of the DVR. It's easy to move the hard drive into my PC and transfer videos off of it (thanks to DVR+ Lister!), but I'm not sure if I can connect the actual DVR+ up to my computer and get the files off of them. Is this possible and if so, how? (I am still using 114R).
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I have a question that may have already been answered and if so, I'm sorry that I couldn't find the answer in the forum previously.

I accidentally recorded a program on my DVR+ internal memory (not my attached hard drive) and I'd really like to get it off of the DVR. It's easy to move the hard drive into my PC and transfer videos off of it (thanks to DVR+ Lister!), but I'm not sure if I can connect the actual DVR+ up to my computer and get the files off of them. Is this possible and if so, how? (I am still using 114R).
Nope. We have no knowledge of any version of FW what could mount storage on both media and do transfer recordings in between.
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I have a question that may have already been answered and if so, I'm sorry that I couldn't find the answer in the forum previously.

I accidentally recorded a program on my DVR+ internal memory (not my attached hard drive) and I'd really like to get it off of the DVR. It's easy to move the hard drive into my PC and transfer videos off of it (thanks to DVR+ Lister!), but I'm not sure if I can connect the actual DVR+ up to my computer and get the files off of them. Is this possible and if so, how? (I am still using 114R).
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Nope. We have no knowledge of any version of FW what could mount storage on both media and do transfer recordings in between.
Yeah, this is definitely something that should be part of the DVR+ built-in capabilities, but sadly not.

I was thinking about @wlarsong BeagleBone Whole Home Solution, but that only sees the USB EHD so thumbs down for that.

Perhaps the show will air again soon, and you can record it again?
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Perhaps a PC capture card with an HDMI input?
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