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I got one... and it's quite nice!

http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2013-12/channel-master-dvrplus-cm7500/

I'll do my best to answer questions and test stuff. Just give me a little time to respond and I'll probably answer questions my site first as it's a bit more efficient.
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Is another version with an internal hard drive being offered or can the 16GB of flash memory be upgraded?

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updated thread title and first post.


Dave, can you attach any drive to it? if so, can you record something and see if you can take out the recordings? thanks.
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Is another version with an internal hard drive being offered or can the 16GB of flash memory be upgraded?

No, they've adjusted their strategy and I like the modular approach. So it'll be this single unit with a fixed 16GB and unlimited drive options. Well not entirely unlimited, but it seems rather open. I'm using an unbranded 1TB USB-powered drives with no problems. Right now they have they external drive accessory options on their store and according to CNET they may do some sort of antenna/drive bundle pricing down the road.
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can you record something and see if you can take out the recordings? thanks.

Will find our more and do some testing tonight.
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I love this quote they use, technically correct I guess but seems a bit misleading to me:)
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Finally! But in the mean time I've been waiting I've been exploring other options. I will probably decide between Simple. TV and the DVR+. I still have the 7000 PAL but am very frustrated with the lack of guide information.
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Anybody think the price on their peripherals, HDD, WIFI adapter, etc. are a bit high? $100 for 500GB and $120 for 1TB are quite a bit more than I just paid last month. eek.gif
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I'm transferring this information (with updates) from the other CM-7500 thread which I've requested be locked. Aero 1 can incorporate this into his post #1 as he wishes.

Channel Master CM-7500 (a.k.a. Channel Master DVR+)
I have come across some information about the upcoming Channel Master CM-7500. After repeated communications I am convinced of the source's credibility and of the validity of the information. I will update it as more comes in that I'm allowed to post.

Model name = CM-7500
Made by Echostar, sold by Channel Master
Targeted released date = 12/2/2013 (in reality, not until Q1 2014)
Keep an eye on the Channel Master Store Web site.

There are two models being proposed:

  • Lower end with 16GB internal storage and no HDD (CM-7500GB16, $250)
  • Flat form factor to easily mount on rear of flat panel DTV (IR extender available)
  • No fan, runs cool
  • Higher end model with internal HDD; size = TBD (CM-7500GB320)
  • Both models accept an external USB HDD to expand storage -- at least 3TB
  • The CM-7500GB16 will be released first


Common to both models:

  • 1 ethernet port
  • 2 USB ports (all on rear)
  • wireless adapter can be separately purchased and used in a USB port.
  • IR extender can be purchased to allow hiding the CM-7500
  • Two ATSC tuners for OTA-HDTV
  • No clear QAM tuners, no cable card -- that is definite
  • PSIP guide if not connected to Internet
  • 14 day guide service (Rovi) from Internet - no information, yet, on whether it is free or yearly subscription
  • Support for Internet streaming services
  • Only supported streaming service, so far = VuDu -- likely that more will be added before release


OS = Linux

  • The OS of the CM-7500 is Linux.
  • An external HDD is formatted with ExtFS upon connection to the DVR
  • Recordings are stored in standard transport stream format -- .ts files.
  • External HDD can be read by a Linux box or a PC with a Linux ExtFS file system driver
  • The files are displayed and can be accessed
  • Nothing currently inhibiting recordings being transferred off the external HDD
  • There is no indication the files are encrypted.


The Rovi guide has me scratching my head -- I didn't think their Internet guide for HDTV's went much beyond 3 days. This must be something different.

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Two tuners? Makes it not even an option for me. I just had an issue with WMC which was the local station's fault and I found out TiVo had the same issue. I picked up a Roamio for $100 ($150 minus $50 gift card) and Lifetime would be $400 with promo code (I tried and it worked...).

 

That's $500 versus what ($350 with same storage) for only two tuners? I guess some might think differently... how so I'm not so sure. :) 

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That's $500 versus what ($350 with same storage) for only two tuners? I guess some might think differently... how so I'm not so sure. smile.gif  

iView at the bottom, CM-7500 in the middle, TiVo at the top.
I don't see any problem with that and it gives people a range of price point choices -- you are obviously not in the middle.

Last week I picked up a 1TB WD USB-powered HDD at BestBuy for $60, so your $350 is a bit of an exaggeration. And low-balling the price of a TiVo because you had a gift card? Seriously?
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 And low-balling the price of a TiVo because you had a gift card? Seriously?

 

It comes with a $50 gift card.. I didn't have one. Sorry. I do agree 100% you can't compare the two even remotely.

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Last week I picked up a 1TB WD USB-powered HDD at BestBuy for $60, so your $350 is a bit of an exaggeration.


Might want to keep an eye on Fry's... $43 for such of late.

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It comes with a $50 gift card..
Crap, that's a good deal. I knew the box price would eventually drop when I bought mine back in early September, but I wanted it at the start of the fall season.

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Might want to keep an eye on Fry's... $43 for such of late.
One of those would put this box with a 1TB drive under $300. That makes the CM-7500 an very nice mid-range offering that will sweep aside most of the other units in V-Bruce's table at that price point.

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I'm transferring this information (with updates) from the other CM-7500 thread which I've requested be locked. Aero 1 can incorporate this into his post #1 as he wishes.

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One of those would put this box with a 1TB drive under $300.

 

If you don't watch TV per se I can see (relative) price coming into play. If you do I just don't see it. If you give it a four year life it's 7 cents a day per $100 (completely written off to zero of which some options will still have value). If you care at all about your user experience (including the value of additional tuners) the pennies you are sweating doesn't make sense.

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If you don't watch TV per se I can see (relative) price coming into play. If you do I just don't see it. If you give it a four year life it's 7 cents a day per $100 (completely written off to zero of which some options will still have value). If you care at all about your user experience (including the value of additional tuners) the pennies you are sweating doesn't make sense.

Except for that matter that for many people, especially those who are OTA only, initial price is a big thing. Also, being able to use PSIP for the guide gives it the ability to be used by people who choose not to have internet (there are still older folks out there who could care less about internet but like to watch TV). If it works as advertised (doesn't overheat, has solid tuners, etc.) it will easily give Tivo a run for it's money in the OTA space.
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Now watch them change the model name again. cool.gif

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Not if you factor in what Satellite & Cable TV operators do with the signal. wink.gif

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Also, being able to use PSIP for the guide gives it the ability to be used by people who choose not to have internet (there are still older folks out there who could care less about internet but like to watch TV).

 

Based on my experience with PSIP this target market wouldn't use it for a second. It would be timed recordings at best. More than likely returned after a couple of days. Or perhaps... I threw away the little boxed that was plugged into it. :) Regarding initial price sure some are stuck on it. However I think it's more the TV is free crowd versus those will less resources.

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There is an interesting question that I have which I really have no idea how to check. It has been brought up before that Tivo has the ability to tract every program you watch. I wonder if Channelmaster et.al. will also have that ability if we use the internet program guide? rolleyes.gif
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iView at the bottom, CM-7500 in the middle, TiVo at the top.
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updated the first post with links and attachments to the Quick Start Guide and User guide and a link to their software update.

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Also, being able to use PSIP for the guide gives it the ability to be used by people who choose not to have internet (there are still older folks out there who could care less about internet but like to watch TV).
The unit will use PSIP if it has to but is designed to operate with a Rovi guide. Like the CM-7400, if the CM-7500 does not scan the channels with an idle tuner to refresh the PSIP information, a PSIP guide offers limited utility for programming. Still, the fact that it will operate as all without an Internet connection is a big plus.

Hopefully, the Rovi guide will be only a small cost to bear.

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DAVEZATZ, what is the format that it uses to record the files to the external HD? Can these be accessed for archival purposes?

I tried to send a query to the CM Support Page, but there was no way to hit send or enter when completed. I tried on both Safari and Firefox browers.
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DAVEZATZ, what is the format that it uses to record the files to the external HD? Can these be accessed for archival purposes?

Details aren't clear yet. Channel Master tells me the files are stored/written used a Linux file system, with the implication that it may not be super easy to get at and a suggestion that they may ultimately produce something to help us offload recordings. I'll take a look at my external drive and report back.
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The unit will use PSIP if it has to but is designed to operate with a Rovi guide. Still, the fact that it will operate as all without an Internet connection is a big plus. Hopefully, the Rovi guide will be only a small cost to bear.

To be clear, there are no recurring guide fees for DVR+ customers. I'm sure Channel Master pays fees to Rovi, but it's baked into the product's cost and their cost of doing business. Seems to me one of CM's top priorities was to deliver this without fees.
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To be clear, there are no recurring guide fees for DVR+ customers. I'm sure Channel Master pays fees to Rovi, but it's baked into the product's cost and their cost of doing business. Seems to me one of CM's top priorities was to deliver this without fees.
That's how it was done with the DTVPal, but then Rovi cancelled the service. frown.gif
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Like the CM-7400, if the CM-7500 does not scan the channels with an idle tuner to refresh the PSIP information, a PSIP guide offers limited utility for programming..

That's a good question. The CM-7000 did scan channels with an idle tuner, which made its guide better than most, even after the loss of TVGoS reduced it to PSIP only. The CM-7400 added name-based recording, but dropped that important feature, which made it much more problematic for users who didn't ante up for its paid guide.

DaveZatz, since you're the first to actually get one, could you post some screen shots? I've heard it's different from the typical Echostar UI but know nothing more....
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Two tuners? Makes it not even an option for me. I just had an issue with WMC which was the local station's fault and I found out TiVo had the same issue. I picked up a Roamio for $100 ($150 minus $50 gift card) and Lifetime would be $400 with promo code (I tried and it worked...).
Believe it or not, two tuners is plenty for many of us. Remember, our TVs also have tuners, so this can record two shows while we watch a third.* Of course, we can't time-shift that third show, but that's still plenty for most of us.

I realize that lots of heavy TV watchers, like yourself, need more. That's fine, and those folks should (and probably will) choose a TiVo or HTPC. But don't assume your TV habits apply to everyone wink.gif

* One tiny annoyance with the CM-7500 is its lack of an RF output. No big deal, but it does mean you'll need an RF signal splitter if you want to record two shows while watching a third.
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Believe it or not, two tuners is plenty for many of us. Remember, our TVs also have tuners, so this can record two shows while we watch a third.* Of course, we can't time-shift that third show, but that's still plenty for most of us.

I realize that lots of heavy TV watchers, like yourself, need more. That's fine, and those folks should (and probably will) choose a TiVo or HTPC. But don't assume your TV habits apply to everyone wink.gif

 

I don't relate the number of tuners to heavy watching. Rather the ability to watch what you want and when you want. Sundays and Mondays in the past have had five shows airing at the same time I'd like to view (at some point) and other nights next to or nothing. With less choices the more important the ones you have become... as an example I have two series with 9 episodes I haven't watched. Virtually the entire season up to this point. At some point when there is nothing but repeats I'll take a look and see if they are worth watching.

 

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