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post #721 of 1734 Old 01-05-2014, 06:25 PM
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Oddly, a couple of us have been having exactly the opposite problem: no sound from RCA jacks, but HDMI works fine. RCA jacks do produce sound for a split second when pressing certain buttons: Power off, Mute, HDMI.

Our problem seems to be due to running new firmware (V13 or V14) on older hardware. (Homeworx changed the layout of the remote, and we wanted firmware for the new layout.) So maybe different firmware would help in your case too.

What firmware version did your Homeworx come with?

That's very interesting. Tthe total opposite.

I have the new remote layout and the installed version is v13. HW version: 7816-ATSC-03
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I have the same TV Panasonic Plasma(s2) 58inch. Experience the same issue. My solution to make it works on S2 are
1. (not working with V12 Firmware)use Panasonic remote, select htmi for HW-150PVR(no sound) and press Panasonic "MENU" ->Press down botton to "Audio" ->Press "OK" to Advance Audio -> press "OK" to HDMI1or2or3 "Digital"
-->press right arrow key to "Component 1" and press left arrowKey back to "Digital", Sound for HDMI should sound.
2. connect an white+red wire from HW150 Audio ouput to Panasonic S2 component audio input (below HDMI input)
Press Panasonic "Menu"->"Audio"->"Advance Audio"->HDMI Digital->press right arrow to "Component 1 or 2". Sound should should be out.

I wish either 1 or 2 method work for you. I call up Panasonic support and look like this is a issue on Panasonic. However S2 is out of support(old product). They can do nothing.

I just upgrade my HW150 to V12 firmware and test #1 and #2 again. #1 Does not work anymore, Only #2 work. I find when HW150 HDMI pass through my Yamaha home theater. HDMI audo work. This only work if you have home theater system.
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Panasonic HDMI(1.4) to Yamaha HT receiver, Yamaho HT receiver HDMI 1 connect to HW150 HDMI output.

I'll have to try #1. Currently using the #2 option. I wonder why you say this is a Panasonic issue ... I would think that HDMI is a standard - regardless of the source device. Does your Blu-ray player work on the other HDMI ports? Because when I try my working HDMI port (used for Bluray) the Homeworx still doesn't output the sound (using the same cables setup).

Unfortuantely I don't have a home theatre receiver to test the pass through on.


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Tried #1 - Doesn't work on V13 either. The only step that I wasn't sure about was when you say " select htmi for HW-150PVR(no sound) " Which one? RAW, PCM or RAW HDMI on? What version were you able get this to work on?
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Oddly, a couple of us have been having exactly the opposite problem: no sound from RCA jacks, but HDMI works fine. RCA jacks do produce sound for a split second when pressing certain buttons: Power off, Mute, HDMI.

Our problem seems to be due to running new firmware (V13 or V14) on older hardware. (Homeworx changed the layout of the remote, and we wanted firmware for the new layout.) So maybe different firmware would help in your case too.

What firmware version did your Homeworx come with?

That's very interesting. The total opposite.

I have the new remote layout and the installed version is v13. HW version: 7816-ATSC-03
IIR Mediasonic's previous posts, firmware versions V8 and V14 should also work on your Homeworx. Supposedly they all have the same features (except V8 lacks the Homeworx logo when powering up), but I figure they're worth a try if you can get Mediasonic to send all three versions to you. Just make sure they send you a copy of V13 in case the others are worse and you want to switch back.

You'd think HDMI would be a standard, but there always seem to be weird cases like this where two "standard" devices just refuse to work properly together. Good luck experimenting; maybe some combo of firmware and settings will do the trick.
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Don't believe it exists, but it should be easy to add to the firmware - if we could just get Mediasonic to start enhancing their firmware instead of changing the box's internal hardware every few weeks rolleyes.gif
What's needed to do that? I'm sure it's a simple addition
It probably starts with customer demand. If enough folks request dedicated "power on" and "power off" remote codes, in addition to the existing combined "toggle power on/off" code, Mediasonic could order new firmware with that feature from the OEM. As long as they documented the added codes, they wouldn't even need new remotes - the new codes could be meant for use only with Harmony remotes or IR blasters.

But I'd expect Mediasonic's top priority for any new firmware to be bug fixes, and so far, Mediasonic has done very little about their firmware. V10 was a bug-fix release, V8 was a minor enhancement (new remote layout), and V13 was a minor bug fix (V8 was missing the HW logo) - and that's about it. Everything lately has been to support internal hardware changes - which also complicates any new firmware orders, since it has to work with all the slight hardware variations out there frown.gif
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I'll have to try #1. Currently using the #2 option. I wonder why you say this is a Panasonic issue ...


Tried #1 - Doesn't work on V13 either. The only step that I wasn't sure about was when you say " select htmi for HW-150PVR(no sound) " Which one? RAW, PCM or RAW HDMI on? What version were you able get this to work on?

Q1: Why I think is Panasonic problem?
When I connect my HW150 HDMI through Yamaha Home Threater Receiver, HDMI sound work. Only connect directly to
Panasonic HDMI port, there is missing HDMI audio. When I do the google search on Panasonic S2, there were number on complain on HDMI audio issue
and all type of resolution. That why I conclude this is more on Pansonic HDMI side.

Q2: select htmi for HW-150PVR(no sound) " Which one? RAW, PCM or RAW HDMI on? What version were you able get this to work on?
I alway use HDMI audio "RAW HDMI ON", if there is problem, I shall try all "RAW","PCM" and "RAW HDMI ON". What FIRMWARE version, when I first get HW150 May 2013,
all schedule not working and keep updating firmware until about July 2013 FW version, everything start working. I don't remember what exactly FIRMWARE version work. To make firmware more confusion, I have another older version of IVIEW3500STB using HW150 firmware , now IVIEW3500 is switch back to later version of IVIEW 3500 FW. If you really want to try, should start with Firmware release around July - August 2013.
The reason why I set to "RAW HDMI ON", sound from my Yamaha amp, sound a bit more distince especial the sub-woofer output on music show.

Update:
For #1: I reload FW V10 Date 07/15/2013 and HDMI audio for Panasonic S2 fail to work. I can only work with HDMI audio through Yamaha AMP HDMI.
Look like #1 does not work with HW150, only work with IV3500 FW V6a or older. Sorry for the miss-information.
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2flags: from the previous post, it sounds as if iView firmware may work - but don't try it unless you have an iView remote control (or Harmony set to emulate one)! Otherwise you won't be able to operate your Homeworx after updating the firmware.
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This is sort of a meta-question: Am I the only one here who thinks it's senseless to group all possible discussion about a particular device into a single thread, over 700 messages long? Having a subforum dedicated to the Homeworx HW-150PVR would allow for separate threads dealing with different issues, as well as "pinned" threads to contain reference information and FAQs.

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This is sort of a meta-question: Am I the only one here who thinks it's senseless to group all possible discussion about a particular device into a single thread, over 700 messages long? Having a subforum dedicated to the Homeworx HW-150PVR would allow for separate threads dealing with different issues, as well as "pinned" threads to contain reference information and FAQs.

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This is sort of a meta-question: Am I the only one here who thinks it's senseless to group all possible discussion about a particular device into a single thread, over 700 messages long? Having a subforum dedicated to the Homeworx HW-150PVR would allow for separate threads dealing with different issues, as well as "pinned" threads to contain reference information and FAQs.

 

Yes, with so few DVR's available the Homeworx is attracting a lot of attention, especially at that price! I support your observation that we're getting too many posts here for easy reference. It would be better if it could be broken up somehow.

 

Another related thing I'd like to see is a forum and table comparing and contrasting all the siblings/clones of the Homeworx, iView, etc. I understand they all use the same chip and only the firmware is different. This was suggested by someone else earlier, but I don't think it ever happened.

 

I don't know how the subforums work - is that something that a Moderator has to set up, or could you do it yourself?


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I agree, though your idea probably goes double for other popular DVRs, such as TiVo, the DTVPal, etc. If we had a subforum dedicated to iView, Homeworx, and their clones, it'd probably be easier for someone with a question to scan through various thread topics rather than trying to search one long thread like this. If they didn't see their question covered, they could start a new thread instead of extending this one.

The thing I'm not sure about, though, is how you'd switch formats this far in. I guess you could start with this thread and the iView thread being pinned threads; then maybe folks could create more threads summarizing info that's already been covered. If they were good, they could be pinned as well.
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I just sent a PM to Scott Wilkinson, the AVS Forums community manager, requesting the creation of a new subforum dedicated to the Homeworx HW-150. I also asked him to come here to the thread to respond. Hopefully, he'll reply soon.

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The thing I'm not sure about, though, is how you'd switch formats this far in. I guess you could start with this thread and the iView thread being pinned threads; then maybe folks could create more threads summarizing info that's already been covered. If they were good, they could be pinned as well.

 

Ideally, a moderator could go through and parse the existing mega-thread into separate threads covering each subtopic. Otherwise, the mega-thread could be closed (set to not allow new replies) and kept in the new subforum as a pinned "archive" thread.

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just bought the HW-150 PVR. Connected the Coaxial cable from my antenna to the RF IN of HW-150PVR, connected HDMI out to HDMI-IN of my Receiver and then turn on my projector, no signal!! not sure whats going on ? Any help will be great!

Try to isolate the problem. Are you seeing a Homeworx display telling you there's no signal (i.e., no RF in), or are you seeing a "no signal" display from your TV? Homeworx displays are generally white text on a gray background.

If it's the former, you may just need to go through the setup options on the Homeworx menu. Press Menu on the Homeworx remote. The menu should come up and you can go through the setup to scan for channels. If it doesn't find any channels, check the obvious (cable connected to RF in, not RF out; cable is tight; another tuner works, etc.) before giving up on the Homeworx.

If the latter, you probably have an HDMI handshaking issue. Try the HDMI button on the Homeworx remote to change resolutions, or try component cables, just to see if you can get a display.
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Thanks for all the info. I have v10 firmware, hope it is the non qam version. It is "HW-150PVR Firmware V10.zip" extracts to "usb_upgrade_all_flash.bin" with a size of 3154KB and a date of 7/15/13 3:32AM. I will try it on the iview, won't even have to change the Harmony remote, just take my upstairs remote that is for the HW-150.

I've got so many different versions on my flash drive I can barely make heads or tails of what is what. Time to purge.
Wondering if you tried V10 on your iView yet. I'm thinking of getting another box, and I'm trying to decide whether to get a new HW, or get an iView and put HW firmware on it. If V10 works (without the L/R audio issue), I'll probably go with the iView since it's usually a few $ cheaper and I still have that old HW remote....
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Will the HW-150 ever get and "Electron Program Guide" or will it forever only record Time and channel?
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Will the HW-150 ever get and "Electron Program Guide" or will it forever only record Time and channel?

What are you talking about? It's always had an EPG. It takes some time to populate, and I don't usually bother with it, but if you want it, it's always been there.
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You can view stations' PSIP guides, but the guide data only serves as a reference to help you set your timers.
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I don't foresee any major EPG enhancements (unless you count the XBox OneGuide, which involves adding another whole expensive box). The HW doesn't have any way to connect to the Internet, so it has to rely on PSIP for its guide info.

It's theoretically possible to do a grid-style guide with PSIP data - the DTVPal does it - but most stations broadcast only 12-24 hours of guide data, so the HW would have to periodically scan all channels and build a guide database for such a thing to work. Since the HW only has one tuner, it could only do that when in standby. When on, the grid-style guide would gradually get out-of-date, except for the current channel. Also, I doubt the HW has enough memory to build a full grid-style guide in memory. Of course, it could build it on the HDD, but then it wouldn't work if no HDD was attached, so the firmware would have to fall back to the current style in that situation. Sounds like a lot of complicated programming.

It's also possible to do Tivo-style name-based recording with a PSIP guide - the CM-7400 and DVR+ do it - but again, it's tricky. Stations sometimes use "placeholder" names (like "TBA") for shows when they haven't entered the guide data into their PSIP encoders yet. If the show name changes between the time you set it to record and the time it actually records, name-based recording won't work.

Perhaps if Mediasonic decides to market a new, improved box with two tuners and more internal memory, it could happen someday.
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What are you talking about? It's always had an EPG. It takes some time to populate, and I don't usually bother with it, but if you want it, it's always been there.

Ok, is the EPG used like the TIVO to record a TV show by name? or then entire season even if the time changes?
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Ok, is the EPG used like the TIVO to record a TV show by name? or then entire season even if the time changes?

No, it brings up whatever info the station sends and if you want to record something, you simply click OK and it prepoulates all the info for you. You can then choose to click OK or you can choose to modify the time and frequency of recording if you choose.
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I don't foresee any major EPG enhancements (unless you count the XBox OneGuide, which involves adding another whole expensive box). The HW doesn't have any way to connect to the Internet, so it has to rely on PSIP for its guide info.

It's theoretically possible to do a grid-style guide with PSIP data - the DTVPal does it - but most stations broadcast only 12-24 hours of guide data, so the HW would have to periodically scan all channels and build a guide database for such a thing to work. Since the HW only has one tuner, it could only do that when in standby. When on, the grid-style guide would gradually get out-of-date, except for the current channel. Also, I doubt the HW has enough memory to build a full grid-style guide in memory. Of course, it could build it on the HDD, but then it wouldn't work if no HDD was attached, so the firmware would have to fall back to the current style in that situation. Sounds like a lot of complicated programming.

It's also possible to do Tivo-style name-based recording with a PSIP guide - the CM-7400 and DVR+ do it - but again, it's tricky. Stations sometimes use "placeholder" names (like "TBA") for shows when they haven't entered the guide data into their PSIP encoders yet. If the show name changes between the time you set it to record and the time it actually records, name-based recording won't work.

Perhaps if Mediasonic decides to market a new, improved box with two tuners and more internal memory, it could happen someday.

Thanks JHBrandt, this was the information I was look for.

I hope the new Channel Master DVR+ (Now shipping I understand, but expensive) will be more TIVO like. I have a win7 Media Center PC, with extenders, that is getting old. And since the Extenders will not work with Windows 8 The Channel Master DVR+ looks like a good replacement.
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You can view stations' PSIP guides, but the guide data only serves as a reference to help you set your timers.


Is this correct? I have a iView and it's had the ability to "click to program" from it's PSIP guide(only the channel you are on) since one of the first firmware revisions, is the Homeworx different?

Truthfully while one can program from the guide I rarely do that, I find it quicker to program start/stop times but then I was used to VCRs that only programmed that way.

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Ideally, a moderator could go through and parse the existing mega-thread into separate threads covering each subtopic. Otherwise, the mega-thread could be closed (set to not allow new replies) and kept in the new subforum as a pinned "archive" thread.

 

Mega-thread? You've gotta be kidding. This is a Mega-thread!

 

I have to say, I very literally laughed out loud when I read his post calling it a megathread. This thread is rather small.

 

Yeah. The Sony thread that I linked is approaching 30,000 posts. smile.gif

 

Well, I guess it all depends on your perspective. Perhaps I should've called this thread a "kilo-thread"? Anyway, the point is the same: This subject would be covered much more easily using a subforum rather than a single monolithic thread.

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Is this correct? I have a iView and it's had the ability to "click to program" from it's PSIP guide(only the channel you are on) since one of the first firmware revisions, is the Homeworx different?
Truthfully while one can program from the guide I rarely do that, I find it quicker to program start/stop times but then I was used to VCRs that only programmed that way.

It works the same as the iview. Very easy to schedule a recording from the EPG.
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2flags: from the previous post, it sounds as if iView firmware may work - but don't try it unless you have an iView remote control (or Harmony set to emulate one)! Otherwise you won't be able to operate your Homeworx after updating the firmware.


Thanks for stressing this point. It would have been a shame if after the reflash ... I couldn't access the unit because of the lack of a remote. Certainly a D'OH moment.


JHBrandt and PNG5 ... thanks for you suggestions.
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Best to do a factory reset and start over. This happens occasionally. Sometimes you can "fix" it by deleting all recordings, rescanning your channels, and rescheduling, but it tends to happen again quicker than if you just do a factory reset. And really if you do all that other stuff, you might as well do a factory reset anyway since the rescanning and rescheduling are the most time consuming part of doing a reset.
I deleted all recordings and did the factory reset and now instead of just the Program and Channel Name disappearing the whole event disappears. One minute it's there. The next minute it's completely gone. Still only happening to PBA-TV 30-1 and no others which leads me to believe it may not be a problem with the device but something in the broadcast.

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I deleted all recordings and did the factory reset and now instead of just the Program and Channel Name disappearing the whole event disappears. One minute it's there. The next minute it's completely gone. Still only happening to PBA-TV 30-1 and no others which leads me to believe it may not be a problem with the device but something in the broadcast.


Are you getting bad clock info on that channel or on the channel that it is on before the recording is supposed to start?  These boxes tend to freak out (for lack of a more technical term) when they get wrong clock info and then the time for recording comes and it thinks it already happened and doesn't know what to do because it thinks it's supposed to be impossible. Under those circumstances, it can do a variety of things, like crash and reboot, delete recordings, change scheduled recording info, delete channels, etc.

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