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post #2221 of 2349 Old 08-26-2016, 02:59 PM
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I agree about the remote, but at present I'd still recommend the HW-150. Reason is that iView introduced some annoying bugs into the 3500 firmware when they switched from the 7816 to the 7802
Thank you, sir. So now the choice is between either the HomeWorx 150 or the 180STB. Mediasonic's site lists the differences between the two (remotes, jacks etc.). On some forums, the 180STB is called a cheaper version of the 150 both literally and figuratively.

Guess the 150 is the way to go unless you advise otherwise.
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I would go with a 150 if the cost difference was small. The differences between the 130, 150, and 180 are all fairly minor:

  • The 130 & 180 lack the 150's component video, and coaxial digital audio outputs. This is the decisive issue for me; I like having those outputs available
  • The 130 & 180 use a smaller remote. (Ironically, I like that remote a little better than the 150's remote. Even though it's smaller, it's easier to read the buttons. But the difference isn't that great)
  • The 180's USB port is in back. The other two have the USB port in front
  • The 130 & 180 have a hardware "channel 3/4" switch for the RF output (so I guess they don't support "loop-through;" but I recommend using a splitter vs. loop-through anyway)
  • The 130 & 180 have a "soft" power button that just puts it in standby just like the remote's power button. The 150's front panel has a "hard" power switch that physically disconnects power (like unplugging the 150)
  • The 130 uses an external "wall-wart" power supply (like the iView 3200). That could be an advantage: if the wall-wart fails, you don't lose the whole box
  • Depending on the firmware version, the 180 may have some minor quirks with entering channel numbers
  • Dolby Digital 5.1 audio is not officially supported on the 180 (though HDMI audio can be set to Raw through the menu, and so DD5.1 may work anyway)

Assuming you get a 7802-based unit, as all the newer ones seem to be, the 150 and 180 firmware are largely interchangeable, so the last two differences could be overcome by cross-flashing the "wrong" box's firmware (and using the "wrong" box's remote). However, the 130 reportedly cannot be cross-flashed with 150 or 180 firmware, or vice versa.
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It should also be pointed out that the 180 has on occasion dropped to <$20 on Amazon.
I do find the 180 style remote a little more intuitive in layout, so even smaller it's easier to find the buttons.

How is the 130 for CC or DD5.1? (I'm sure I've asked that before, but have no recollection of it.) I'm betting no Dolby.
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I tend to agree about the 130/180 remote being better than the 150 remote. It's not a huge difference, but it is very hard to tell apart the 12 identical-looking tiny round buttons with gray labels on a black background and no engravings at the bottom of the 150 remote. The other remote has a lot of hard-to-read buttons too, but at least most of the ones in the block of 12 at the bottom have white engravings, so you can see what they do at a glance instead of straining your eyes trying to read the labels and find the right one to push.

That said, I prefer the 150 box over the 180. I suppose if you had a 180 remote and understand what firmware is compatible, you could cross-flash 180 firmware onto a 150 and have the best of both worlds: you'd lose menu control of the RF output, but everything else should still work the same, and almost nobody uses the RF output anyway. Well, you might also have issues trying to use DD5.1 since that's not officially supported with 180 firmware.


I don't know if anyone has the HW-130 and can give us a first-hand report on it. From what I've seen and heard, it's another 7802 box very similar to the 180; the biggest difference being its smaller size and external power supply. So closed captions probably work the same as on the 150, 180, and every other 7802 box I've tried; i.e., CC works during live viewing and playback, but not during time-shifting or chase play. DD5.1 is probably the same status as the 180: it works during live viewing or when watching a movie (or a recording with the extension changed) via the HDMI port if the audio is set to Raw, but isn't officially supported; so if you have issues such as echoes, you're SOL.
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Hello,

I have a few questions regarding these tuners.

I have twc for internet and when i run the line to the back of my tvs i get about 100 channels, including locals. 2-1 is nbc for example. 29 is espn. I recently replaced a tv with a tcl roku tv and the tuner seems week. I bought this box hoping for better results. (and to possibly use my xbox for oneguide)

When i scan channels i dont get the list i get with my tv. I get channels scattered randomly with no rhyme or reason and a ton of blank channels. ie 2-1 is now an invalid channel.

Can some one explain why this is, and possibly point me in the direction of a solution whether it be with this unit or a different product?


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I'm surprised you get any channels with TWC. In our area (DFW) they've encrypted everything, so we get nothing without one of their boxes or something that takes a CableCARD.

Anyway, the HomeWorX line of boxes isn't a good solution for cable. First, it won't tune analog channels, and some cable systems still have a few analog channels.

Second, for QAM (digital cable) channels it relies on PSIP, but most cable systems don't use PSIP. (Some cable systems provide PSIP for the OTA channels they carry.) If there's no PSIP, the HomeWorX may not detect the channel - and if it does it will use the RF channel number instead of the channel number the cable system wants to display. I don't even think HomeWorX advertises or supports using their boxes with cable. If they work, great, but they make no guarantees.

As for an alternative, first make sure TWC doesn't plan to encrypt all your channels as they've done here. No sense buying a box that gets disabled after a few months.

Second, are you looking for a DVR or just a tuner? If you're looking for a DVR, your options are probably limited to a TiVo, a PHD-VRX2, or a used DVR such as the TViX M6620, Channel Master 7400, or Entone 458. And any of those would probably cost quite a bit more than the HomeWorX, even used.

If you're just looking for a tuner, you have other options, such as this Samsung tuner: http://www.samsung.com/us/support/ow...GX-SM530CF/XAA. (Looks like you can add a CableCARD if you need your encrypted channels, or use as-is for just the unencrypted ones.)
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Thank you for the info. I have three different homes I which I have two installed. Everyone of them gets these channels. Maybe it's because we are in the middle of nowhere. Or maybe because TWC is just lazy here. Either way I ordered a TiVo premiere from Amazon. Hopefully it works and I can end the search. Thanks again.
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Thanks. I guess TWC isn't as centralized as Comcast, which encrypted the whole country last year (or was it the year before?) Or at least, I guess they haven't made a corporate-wide decision to encrypt, and leave it up to the local affiliates instead. Smaller affiliates probably aren't in as much of a rush to encrypt as big cities like Dallas.

TiVo will take a CableCARD, in case they do encrypt your channels someday. So it was probably a good long-term choice.

BTW, I generally urge folks to set up a TV antenna, even if they also subscribe to cable or satellite, if they can do so without a lot of hassle. That way you have a fallback: when one of those spats between TWC and your local stations breaks out, you don't lose whichever network is fighting with the cable co. The HomeWorX may not be so good for cable, but it makes a decent OTA tuner and recorder.
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One problem HomeWorX users are likely to encounter more and more is transferring recordings between 7802 and 7816 boxes. The firmware for the two SoC chips uses a slightly different format, rendering the recordings incompatible.

However, I just tested the trick of changing the file extension from .mts to .ts. This trick is usually employed to restore DD 5.1 to recordings, but it also renders SD 7802 recordings playable on a 7816 box and vice versa.

HD 7802 recordings also played on a 7816 box, but weren't really watchable. The audio and video kept pausing, as if the 7816 couldn't quite decode the 7802 recording in real time. The recording played fine on its native 7802 box, even renamed.

One other curious observation: both recording formats also play on my PC, but the 7802 recording format plays with no audio! I haven't found a fix for this yet, so for now, I'd definitely prefer a 7816 if I planned to play the recording on my PC. Unfortunately, 7816 boxes are getting harder to find. It seems most brands have switched to the 7802 within the past year.
Using a hex editor, I just did a little research into the differences between the 7802 and 7816 recording formats.

Both formats are true .M2TS files, consisting of a series of 192-byte packets, consisting of a 4-byte sequence number followed by the letter G and 187 bytes of data. The difference I saw was that the 7816 format starts with 16 packets (3K) of "metadata" which the 7802 format lacks. For reasons I don't understand, the "metadata" packets all have identical sequence numbers of hex 021E2176. Once you get past the metadata packets, the 7816 files go to sequence number 0 and start incrementing by small amounts (they serve as timestamps).

The 7802 recordings contain no metadata - they just start with a sequence 0 packet and increment from there - but each recording has a companion file with the extension .META. These files contain packets similar to the packets at the start of the 7816 files (same weird hex 021E2176 sequence numbers), but there are 32 of them (6K) instead of just 16. Interestingly, the .META files don't seem to be required for playback.

I haven't tried to delve into the contents of the metadata packets yet.

Evidently, each chip's firmware checks .MTS recordings to see if it has its "own" format, but if you rename it to .TS, it "thinks" it's a "foreign" video and doesn't care.

I don't know if that's the only difference, but if so, it should be easy to convert from 7816 to 7802: just strip off the first 3K of data and copy the rest of the file.

I found a freeware Australian program called Partcopy that can handle that task. Just copy from byte 3072 to the end.

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Not sure about going from 7802 to 7816, though: could you just prepend a 6K .META file to the recording, or would you have to cut it in half and prepend only the first 3K of it? More experiments to come, when I get the time....
Turns out that doesn't work! Neither prepending the whole 6K .META file, nor prepending just the first 3K of it, renders a 7802 recording playable on a 7816 box. Renaming the file extension is the only trick that works, and even that trick doesn't necessarily work with HD recordings. Luckily, moving a recording from a 7802 box to a 7816 box isn't that common.
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Forgot to mention I got another remote after the last one just quit working(Was never dropped). So far so good. Now if they would fix the midnight bug. The remote came from California not Canada.

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Forgot to mention I got another remote after the last one just quit working(Was never dropped). So far so good. Now if they would fix the midnight bug. The remote came from California not Canada.
A couple of years ago, I got an update from Mediasonic that fixed the MidNight problem.
It was "HW150PVR V14.zip". I know Mediasonic has stated that depending on the unit
you have, they can supply different firmware files. You should contact Mediasonic.
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So I just ordered one of these for primarily its DVR functionality.

What I am curious is what is the most reliable USB drive type to use with this device?


- I have several SATA (non-SSD) 2.5 laptop drives and enclosures that I can use but they are all USB BUS powered. I haven no AC powered enclosures.

- I could also buy a USB 3.0 flash drive with 130 MB/s write speeds.

I would be fine with 64Gb or above capacity but reliability is my main concern.
From what I understand the 150PVR can power the 2.5 inch drive but the draw on the capacitors may shorten the life span of the device.
Some owner's posts seem to indicate that USB flash drives may not last long either with the ongoing reading and writing since they were never really intended for such heavy use.

So what is the best trade offs that long time users have found that gave them the best performance/investment?
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So I just ordered one of these for primarily its DVR functionality.

What I am curious is what is the most reliable USB drive type to use with this device?


- I have several SATA (non-SSD) 2.5 laptop drives and enclosures that I can use but they are all USB BUS powered. I haven no AC powered enclosures.

- I could also buy a USB 3.0 flash drive with 130 MB/s write speeds.

I would be fine with 64Gb or above capacity but reliability is my main concern.
From what I understand the 150PVR can power the 2.5 inch drive but the draw on the capacitors may shorten the life span of the device.
Some owner's posts seem to indicate that USB flash drives may not last long either with the ongoing reading and writing since they were never really intended for such heavy use.

So what is the best trade offs that long time users have found that gave them the best performance/investment?
USB-powered drives work OK as long as they don't draw too much power. Mediasonic says the USB port can provide 800mA max (4 watts).

As far as flash drives go, I tried the PNY Turbo Attache 128GB recommended below and it seemed to work fine:
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Here's some info on flash drives from one of my help files for another recorder:

"Worried about "slow" FT drives? Best FT drives for DVRs will be larger-capacity USB 3.0 drives, which are *designed* for faster reading/writing than smaller ones. This can prevent the playback-stuttering-while-recording reported on other DVRs. One example: USB 3.0 PNY Turbo 128GB has a write speed of 130MB/s, a little faster than typ HDD write speed of 125MB/s... 32GB and 64GB versions of same model write much slower: 45MB/s and 60MB. Here's an Amazon page with three sizes of flash drives where you can click the box for each size and see the diff. in write speeds... beware of sellers who show only read speed, which is always (much) higher and not nearly as important as write speed for our recorders.
Worried about multiple writes/rewrites? How about "Two freaking petabytes" (2,000 TB) in SSD endurance tests so far. All depends on the type of flash memory inside... and flash technology is still in its infancy!"
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A couple of years ago, I got an update from Mediasonic that fixed the MidNight problem.
It was "HW150PVR V14.zip". I know Mediasonic has stated that depending on the unit
you have, they can supply different firmware files. You should contact Mediasonic.
I think that's the firmware version he's using!
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Thanks JH I have ver. 14 should I update anyway? They sent me Ver. 13 today. Had to take a pic of Serial like you said. Edit the guy said not to update mine.
My guess is you're talking about two different bugs. These units have had more than one bug related to recording across midnight.
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I think that's the firmware version he's using!
My guess is you're talking about two different bugs. These units have had more than one bug related to recording across midnight.
I initially had a problem where a show would stop at various stages of recording.
So, I contacted Mediasonic and got "HW150PVR V14 QAM.zip". This worked more
reliably, but introduced an issue where the recording would not halt if the show
crossed midnight, and would continue recording until I stopped in the morning.
The next firmware I got was "HW150PVR V14.zip" ( no QAM ), and that fixed it
completely. Note that I am OTA only, so I don't know if I lost Cable ability.
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I initially had a problem where a show would stop at various stages of recording. So, I contacted Mediasonic and got "HW150PVR V14 QAM.zip". This worked more reliably, but introduced an issue where the recording would not halt if the show crossed midnight, and would continue recording until I stopped in the morning.

The next firmware I got was "HW150PVR V14.zip" ( no QAM ), and that fixed it completely. Note that I am OTA only, so I don't know if I lost Cable ability.
That's interesting. IIRC from one of his earlier posts, that is the same bug @afterlife2 has. I wonder if he has the QAM version installed?

The only difference between V14 QAM and plain V14 is "supposed" to be that the latter disables cable. If you go to the Channel Search menu, the QAM version has a "signal type" that can be set to Air or Cable. The plain version shouldn't have this option, but if Afterlife2 is OTA, he should be able to use it.

As you can see from the post quoted above, Afterlife2 did contact Mediasonic, but they sent him V13 by mistake, then told him not to install it!

BTW, there's another midnight bug, which has never been fixed in any firmware AFAIK. If you schedule a "weekly" recording, then try to schedule another weekly recording that starts on the same day but ends after midnight, it incorrectly reports a conflict and won't let you do it. If you schedule the midnight-crossing recording first, though, it will let you schedule both recordings as it should.
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USB-powered drives work OK as long as they don't draw too much power. Mediasonic says the USB port can provide 800mA max (4 watts).

As far as flash drives go, I tried the PNY Turbo Attache 128GB recommended below and it seemed to work fine:
Thanks for the reply.

I orderd one of the PNY USB drives and one made by Lexar.
I want to test them both out and see how they perform. I will report back once they arrive and I have a chance to play with them..

In the meantime I tried a BUS powered 2.5" USB drive. The preprogrammed recording went off without any issues but there was a hiccup when I played the file.
The recorded show played all the way through but when it got the the very end of the show the screen went green and the HW-150 froze up. None of the buttons on the remote made any difference and I had to hard reboot the unit by shutting it off to get it working again.

So is that type of thing typical or has anyone seen that behavior before?
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Thanks for the reply.

I orderd one of the PNY USB drives and one made by Lexar.
I want to test them both out and see how they perform. I will report back once they arrive and I have a chance to play with them..

In the meantime I tried a BUS powered 2.5" USB drive. The preprogrammed recording went off without any issues but there was a hiccup when I played the file.
The recorded show played all the way through but when it got the the very end of the show the screen went green and the HW-150 froze up. None of the buttons on the remote made any difference and I had to hard reboot the unit by shutting it off to get it working again.

So is that type of thing typical or has anyone seen that behavior before?
I took a shot of the TV which I included below.
Might have been a one-time glitch. I'd try another recording to see if it happens again. If it does, I'd definitely contact Mediasonic customer support.

DoctorM reported a similar issue with HW-180 firmware version V11.0:
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Other bugs:
Playing or FF recordings to the very end frequently locks up the unit. I've had a garbage screen once, but many times it drops to the USB menu and freezes (ignores remote and front power button). The last time I just waited and after several minutes it left the USB screen and several minutes after that the tuner started working again.
It's easier just to unplug the box.

...

For $20 I can ignore a lot, but I'm not sure how I feel about needing to constantly unplug this thing....
There is a new firmware version (V11.1 for the HW-180; V5.1 for the HW-150), but I don't know if it fixes this freeze-up issue.

Edit: I tried V11.0 and V8.1 (firmware for the HW-180), and V5.0 and V2.1 (for the HW-150) but I couldn't reproduce the freeze-ups on an iView 3200. Also tried V8.1 and V2.1 on my HW-150 and couldn't reproduce it there either. However, my HW-150 is an older model that came with V2.0. It's possible the freeze-ups only happen with the newer HomeWorXes that came with V5.x or V11.x.

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PLEASE NOTE I HAVE A 7802 HOMEWORX HW150 UNIT. NONE OF THIS APPLIES TO THE 7816 UNITS!!!!!!!!!
YOU WILL SURELY BRICK IF YOU TRY ANY OF THIS ON A 7816 UNIT.... YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!!!!

Had a long chat with tech support about the three main homeworx units presently on the market. I wont rehash my previous posts just state what I found out and to ask for help testing some things for those who are willing.

...

OK so that leave the 150 and the 180 both of which have the 7802 soc. Well guess what other then the remotes they are cross flash-able. I just confirmed this with tech support and also cross flashed on my own unit. Current version I have tried and that have worked:

v5 (original shipping firmware on my unit)
v2.1 (recommended version for cc on the 150)
v8.1 (Equivalent version to 2.1 but on the 180)
v11 (Newest version on the 180)

**** Just in case you didn't see it before the remotes are different between the 180 and 150 so you will either need a remote from each or a universal programmable in order to be successful at this. So whats the differences.. well I haven't been able to test everything not sure if anyone would like to help but here is what I have found so far:
v5 - faster remote response time but cc broken on playback
v2.1 - slower remote response but cc working in playback
v8.1 - didn't really test but supposed to be slower remote response and cc on playback
v11 - What I an currently on faster remote response and cc working on playback

...

Also untested but lends itself to reason that any 150's that can run 2.1 and any 180s running 8.1 or 11 should be able to test this as well. Only tested so far by me on my 150 that was originally running v5.
For an experiment (see previous post) I just tried all four versions on my older HW-150 that came with V2.0.

V2.1 and V8.1 ran fine on it, but V5.0 and V11.0 disabled its tuner! That was unexpected (not to mention scary) because all four firmware versions work fine on my iView 3200.

So it looks like the differences between the older (2.x and 8.x) and newer (5.x and 11.x) firmware versions are more than the minor things I found when I tested them on the 3200 - but the differences only show up on certain hardware (such as my older 150).

Edit: This is only a guess, but the difference may be that the newer HomeWorXes (and the iView 3200) have an updated tuner chip. The new chip will accept the settings from either the old or the new firmware, but the tuner settings in the new firmware disable the older tuner chips.

Again, that is only a guess. I have no knowledge of what hardware changes were made between the "1st-gen" and "2nd-gen" 7802 HomeWorXes.

Luckily the incompatible versions didn't brick my 150 - I could still play recordings and access the menus so I could re-flash the firmware. I just couldn't watch live TV any more!

Edit 2:I also tried the new iView firmware on my HW-150, and got the same result: no reception of any channel.

So for these older HW-150s that came with 2.x (and probably HW-180s that came with 8.x), the only firmware choices are 2.1 and 8.1, depending on your remote preference. So due to a small but annoying bug with channel entry in 8.1, after trying my experiment, I put my HW-150 back to 2.1.

Owners of newer HW-150s that came with 5.x have more choices: 2.1, 5.3, 8.1, and 11.0 all work on these boxes, and the new iView firmware probably works too.. But there's no good reason to choose 2.1; its only advantage over 5.3 is purely cosmetic AFAICS. Your best choices are just upgrading to 5.3 or, if you have an iView remote and don't care about closed captions on playback, the new iView firmware.
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For an experiment (see previous post) I just tried all four versions on my older HW-150 that came with V2.0.

V2.1 and V8.1 ran fine on it, but V5.0 and V11.0 disabled its tuner! That was unexpected (not to mention scary) because all four firmware versions work fine on my iView 3200.

So it looks like the differences between the older (2.1 and 8.1) and newer (5.0 and 11.0) firmware versions are more than the minor things I found when I tested them on the 3200 - but the differences only show up on certain hardware (such as my older 150).

Edit: This is only a guess, but the difference may be that the newer HomeWorXes (and the iView 3200) have an updated tuner chip. The new chip will accept the settings from either the old or the new firmware, but the tuner settings in the new firmware disable the older tuner chips.

Again, that is only a guess. I have no knowledge of what hardware changes were made between the "1st-gen" and "2nd-gen" 7802 HomeWorXes.

Luckily the incompatible versions didn't brick my 150 - I could still play recordings and access the menus so I could re-flash the firmware. I just couldn't watch live TV any more! So after trying my experiment, I put my box back to 2.1.
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Thanks! Version 5.3? Mediasonic has been busy - I don't think they've ever gone past version n.1 for any 'n' before now.

Looks like I'll be hooking up the ol'* iView 3200 again for more experiments

*"Ol'" as in 9 months old. These things age so quickly

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Thanks! Version 5.3? Mediasonic has been busy - I don't think they've ever gone past version n.1 for any 'n' before now.

Looks like I'll be hooking up the ol'* iView 3200 again for more experiments

*"Ol'" as in 9 months old. These things age so quickly
And here is the word for word OFFICIAL changelog from tech support

V5.3 fixed bugs on EPG, recording and fast forwarding.

rofl good luck with your testing I am running it and not found any issues so far. I look forward to seeing your results.
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I do remember that 5.0 would occasionally garble a couple of lines in the EPG. You had to get out and back in to clear it up. Maybe that was one of the fixes. I'll find out.

With the HW-180 version (V11.0) DoctorM had a problem with his 180 locking up after playing or FF'ing to the very end of a recording. Don't know if 5.0 had that problem; I couldn't reproduce that bug with either 5.0 or 11.0 on my 3200. If it did, I wonder whether 5.3 fixed it, and whether there's an 11.3 for HW-180 owners?

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I do remember that 5.0 would occasionally garble a couple of lines in the EPG. You had to get out and back in to clear it up. Maybe that was one of the fixes. I'll find out.

With the HW-180 version (V11.0) DoctorM had a problem with his 180 locking up after playing or FF'ing to the very end of a recording. Don't know if 5.0 had that problem; I couldn't reproduce that bug with either 5.0 or 11.0 on my 3200. If it did, I wonder whether 5.3 fixed it, and whether there's an 11.3 for HW-180 owners?
LOL well get to work inquiring minds want to know. Looking forward to your usual full detailed review. The changelog left me wondering
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True; their summary of changes leaves a lot to be desired.

Calling all HW-180STB owners: Are you at V11.0? Are you experiencing lockups at the end of recordings as @DoctorM did? Have you contacted Mediasonic for a firmware upgrade? Did it fix the problem?
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True; their summary of changes leaves a lot to be desired.

Calling all HW-180STB owners: Are you at V11.0? Are you experiencing lockups at the end of recordings as @DoctorM did? Have you contacted Mediasonic for a firmware upgrade? Did it fix the problem?
Hey I heard there is a mystery 5.3 version maybe that will help
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Thanks to @Skitz1967 I can now add HW-150 version 5.3 to the following comparison:
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I did notice another - I guess I'd call it a "quirk," not necessarily a bug. If you're playing a recording, turn on closed captions, then press "stop," it stops playing the closed captions, but not the recording! Pressing "stop" a second time stops playing the recording. This is in V2.1, V5.0, and V5.3.. Odd.

So far the differences I've found between 2.1 and 5.0 are all fairly minor:

  1. V2.1 boots a bit faster (15s vs 21s) V5.3 boots in 16s
  2. V2.1 shows "CC*ON" and "CC*OFF" briefly when toggling closed captions during playback. So does V5.3. V5.0 just starts or stops showing the closed captions with no prompt.
  3. On the iView 3200, V5.0 turns the green LED on constantly, even when off! This produces an orange color when off, since both the red and green LEDs are on. V2.1 turns it on during boot-up only. V5.3 turns on the green LED briefly when you press Power, but it goes out almost immediately. So with either 2.1 or 5.3 the LED is red when off and dark when on; the only difference is how long the green LED stays on when you first hit the Power button.
  4. Edit 1: On the menus and dialogs, the button labels (that tell you what buttons to press on your remote to perform various functions) are slightly different. For example, V2.1 shows "1," "2," etc., while V5.0 shows "01, "02," etc. V5.3 is the same as V5.0 here.

    The V2.1 button labels make more sense to be. There is no "01" button, nor do you have to press "0" before pressing "1" in V5.0
  5. Edit 2: When you press the USB button, a different choice is selected on the USB menu. 2.1 defaults to Music while 5.0 and V5.3 default to PVR, which makes more sense to me; that's why you bought the thing, right?
  6. V5.0 has a small bug that occasionally garbles a couple of lines in the EPG. Usually exiting and re-entering the EPG will fix this. V2.1 and V5.3 don't seem to have this bug.

Everything else I've tried has looked and acted the same with both versions.
Edit: With V5.3, the remote does seem more responsive during playback. Closed captions seem to be about the same in all three versions: they stay caught up when playing an SD recording but fall behind when playing an HD recording. One good thing I seemed to notice: V5.3 doesn't seem to skip words even though the closed captions do fall quite a bit behind. V2.1 and V5.0 seemed to get so far behind at times it skipped some of the words, although I think 2.1 was slightly worse.

Stlll has the midnight scheduling bug though I doubt that one will ever get fixed.

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Thanks to @Skitz1967 I can now add HW-150 version 5.3 to the following comparison:
More to come. Stay tuned.
It might be placebo effect but for me when fast forwarding when you hit play from 32x it seems to respond much quicker. The entire ff and rew seem to just feel a little smoother in starting and stopping then 2.1

On the negative cc during playback seems pretty choppy, the black background seems to not quite redraw properly leaving the top part of the bar behind a split second longer then it should. CC on playback also seems to lag and not keep up with the recording aka out of sync.

Only really tested cc for a few min so I guess it could just be a bad recording but overall so far am happy with 5.3 and likely will continue using it as am really just to lazy to flash back, as flashing back removes all my daily/weekly recording entries.
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On the whole, if you're on 5.0 I see no reason not to upgrade to 5.3. Boots faster, shows CC*ON and CC*OFF when toggling closed captions during playback, closed captions may get behind the audio but words don't seem to be dropped, remote seems a bit more responsive, and the occasional garbled EPG does seem to be fixed.

Edit: I did have one unexplained reboot while watching TV with 5.3. Not sure if there's some subtle incompatibility with my iView 3200 or if I hit a rare bug. If anyone else experiences unexplained reboots after upgrading, please post your experience. I'd hate to have that happen during a recording!

BTW, I discovered a "feature" (a useful bug): Many Ion stations broadcast a service called Airbox with several scrambled channels. However, they only scramble the video, not the audio. V5.3 will find these scrambled channels during a scan, but since they're scrambled, you can't watch them. However, if you press Mute twice, the audio comes on and you can listen to them. That might be useful on occasion (e.g., some documentaries can be enjoyed even without video).

This feature may exist in other firmware versions also.

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Do the new iview firmwares have any advantage over the new 5.3? Can you/would you even wanna ever run iview firmware on a homeworx 150?
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