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I use a Western Digital 2 TB my passport drive for almost 2 years. Works very well with my HW 180.

Plug and play. Removed from box, plugged usb cable into the HW180.

When I intially set up a daily/weekly program. I change the start time to 3mins earlier. Same with end time. 8-10pm (757-1003pm)

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If anyone is considering a HW OTA STB.

Amazon currently has the HW130 for 24.95
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What you are seeing is the wake from sleep/spin up delay you see with most drives/enclosures, especially green ones. I have my 1TB 2.5 inch portable/laptop type drive set to never spin down. There is little to no waiting time, and they have been running like this for years. I've filled them with close to 1TB and have not noticed delays.

You don't want to use a flash stick for any length of time as you will wear them out quickly. But you see instantaneous access because there is no wake or spin up delay.

A SSD drive is also another option, a little more money, but lower power, you don't have to worry about dropping them, and not that expensive in the 300-500 GB range, which is plenty for a couple 1-2 hour programs a week.
I initially thought the same. Spin up time would explain the long period when I first press the record button. Assuming that was the cause, once recording started, I stopped the recording after a couple of minutes and then within just a few seconds started another recording using the record button. The drive is now not sleeping ... not spun down. But the same approx 30 second delay from pressing the record button to actual recording. It is like it has to scan drive contents first? The 3 TB complete failure may be due to being usb-powered and the low power capability of the box's port. I'm not sure.

Looking at the mediasonic forum - there are a few posts about various hard drives not working. One person even asked if they could get a list together of the drives that they know *do* work. May I ask the brand of the 1 TB drive you mention above? A 1 TB drive with little waiting time and good responsiveness would be a perfect solution for them.
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I wanted to let the HomeWorX community know about an interesting gadget I just bought from Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00KNCVFL8. It's an HDD dock with both USB and WiFi access.

What makes it interesting for HomeWorX (or iView, etc.) users is that it switches WiFi access off/on when power is applied to/removed from the USB port. That means you can connect your HomeWorX to its USB port, and your HomeWorX will have exclusive access to the HDD when it's on (and say, recording) - but when it's off, anyone can access recordings on the HDD via WiFi. (There are even iOS and Android apps to stream videos from the HDD, but I haven't tried them yet so I don't know if they'll work with HomeWorX recordings.)

Now this doesn't turn a HomeWorX into a full-blown "whole-home" DVR - but the total cost of a HomeWorX, this dock, and a bare HDD is under $150, and this is an easy way to access your HomeWorX's recordings wirelessly for that little money.

I'm sure there are other access solutions that others have discovered. Please feel free to share if you've found one!

Edit: Although the user manual talks about both iOS and Android apps, I was only able to find the iOS app (MyAirDisk Pro). The Android version of the app doesn't seem to exist. (There are several with similar names, but they don't work with this dock.) Still, the iOS app does work, for the most part. I had a couple of apparent crashes when I tried to make a selection and my iPad just went back to its desktop, and I had to restart the app. Also, the app didn't support rotating the iPad to landscape mode, which was annoying. But it plays videos quite smoothly.
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Are there any ways to un-brick a 150 from incorrect firmware yet? (I asked a few months ago too) Seeing if there's anything new. Thanks..
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At one time I found an obscure article about de-bricking these MStar boxes: http://mstar.wikia.com/wiki/Debricking. But it requires hooking up the serial interface. If the boot loader still works, you could get in that way and replace the firmware.

Note: the article is about 7818 (DVB-T) boxes, not 7816 or 7802 (ATSC) ones. But I think the same instructions would work.

How badly bricked is your HW? Are there any signs of life at all?

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How badly bricked is your HW? Are there any signs of life at all?
It powers up but nothing is displayed thru any of the outputs..
I'll check out that link.. Thanks.
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I just checked out that link and the software for it doesn't support 64bit os. So must be older then win7.

This one https://www.amazon.com/LOTOS-Video-C...2NE48YP8M1N7ZP says up to win10. But these still tie up the computer.
Ok old fart chiming in here... if you have a pc with an open pci slot (yes old i know) your best bet would be to find a used hauppauge 1600. They still pull their weight and run 64 bit no issues and can be had for cheap. You can even run the wintv 8 if you can find a specific iso for upgrading

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hauppauge-PC...wAAOSwo4pYjift
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Record from HDMI source?

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When is someone going to hack one of these for video and audio in?
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Probably never.
Still true. But MCM Electronics is now selling an ATSC modulator with an HDMI input for $299: http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/33-11980

Not cheap, but it's way more affordable than other ATSC modulators. Unfortunately, to get the price even that low, they had to make some compromises. Its output is just barely HD (720p @ 30 f/s) and the audio codec is nonstandard, so there are a lot of receivers it doesn't work right with. Luckily, though, the HomeWorX can tune its signal in and display it.

Can the HW record it and play it back? I'm 1-for-2 on that. An older HW-150 with iView V13 firmware didn't make good recordings, but a newer one with HW-150 V2.1 firmware records and plays back OK. (I believe the newer one works because it uses a 7802 chip; the older one uses a 7816.) But there's a problem with timed recordings: the modulator continually sends its own date & time, but there's no way to set the date or time, so tuning the HW to the modulator's signal disables timed recordings. (I suppose I could get the time right by plugging in the modulator exactly at midnight, but there's still no way to set the date correctly.) You could probably preset the HW to another station and make one successful timed recording, but you'd have to manually retune the HW afterwards. Probably best to just stick with manual recordings only.

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I wanted to let the HomeWorX community know about an interesting gadget I just bought from Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00KNCVFL8. It's an HDD dock with both USB and WiFi access.

What makes it interesting for HomeWorX (or iView, etc.) users is that it switches WiFi access off/on when power is applied to/removed from the USB port. That means you can connect your HomeWorX to its USB port, and your HomeWorX will have exclusive access to the HDD when it's on (and say, recording) - but when it's off, anyone can access recordings on the HDD via WiFi. (There are even iOS and Android apps to stream videos from the HDD, but I haven't tried them yet so I don't know if they'll work with HomeWorX recordings.)

Now this doesn't turn a HomeWorX into a full-blown "whole-home" DVR - but the total cost of a HomeWorX, this dock, and a bare HDD is under $150, and this is an easy way to access your HomeWorX's recordings wirelessly for that little money.
Important note about the CableMatters HDD dock. While it works with my older (7816-based) HomeWorX, it doesn't work with my newer (7802-based) one!

I wanted to switch to my 7802 box because the old 7816 box won't correctly record (and therefore won't time-shift) the signal from the ATSC modulator I bought. The 7802 box records and time-shifts the modulator fine, but I have to use a different HDD, otherwise I lose network access to the HDD dock.

I've identified my HomeWorXes by their chips for convenience, but I don't think the chip is relevant. The problem is, with the newer HW, the HDD dock shuts down network access as soon as you plug in the USB cable! So there's something different about the USB ports in the two boxes.

It's possible the USB hub I'm using with the older HomeWorX is what makes that one work. But as my luck would have it, I glued that hub inside the case of the older HomeWorX, so I can't just move it to the newer one - and naturally, I can't find another hub identical to that one anymore.

I did try three other USB hub models with the newer one, but none fixed the problem. I can plug the HDD dock into any of the hubs without it disconnecting, but it disconnects as soon as I then plug the hub into the HomeWorX - even if the HomeWorX power cord is unplugged! How does it know?
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So I have the HW150 installed in my friend's setup. They had very minimal recording needs - so the cheap investment vs a higher cost (but fuller-featured) recorder fit their needs nicely. Plus - since the HW150 is supported by the voice commands on their XBox One - they get the benefit of still having a nice looking TV Guide (using the OneGuide on the Xbox One) as well as full voice control for channel changes. Last night was the first big test - as the only program my friend's wife records (DWTS) had its season premiere. I stopped by to make sure everything was working correctly when I realized I failed to test one scenario. The HW150 is supported with the XBox One - but unlike the dish receiver that they dropped, the power command sent when the system is turned on and then off is simply a toggle command. The dish receiver had discrete power on/power off codes. It occurred to me that a likely scenario could be: Recording starts at 7:00 PM for DWTS (or some other program). Sometime in the next 2 hours - somebody comes home and turns on the system with the 'Hey Cortana' appropriate command. Kinect turns on the XBox One ... sends the TV Power On command ... and then sends the toggle to the HW150.

I had initially tested that a recording would be protected if somebody tried to change the channel. With that test successful, it didn't occur to me that the box would not protect a recording if the power toggle command was used through the system's remote control. I simply assumed it was a given that it would not turn the box off (or more accurately, stand-by) if a recording was in progress. Thankfully, I carried out this test before recording started - but then realized that my scenario described above was not only possible - but likely at some point in the future. After starting a test recording -- I hit the power button on the remote -- and watched as the box went into stand-by mode, thus killing the recording that had been started.

The only solution was to change the system 'on' commands that are sent from the XBox One -- eliminating the power toggle to the box. Since they all primarily use voice to control the system - they are not going to remember (nor will they have the desire to) use the remote for that one function when voice will handle everything else in the system. My thought was simply to leave the box 'on' all the time. It has minimal power draw. It solves the problem of the power toggle and the box not having the ability to protect or check for a recording in-progress if power toggle is received via remote.

The question: Does anybody else simply leave the box on? Any problems with doing so? The hard drive is still going to 'sleep' at the appropriate time - so I don't have to worry about hard drive 24/7 spinning. It's still being awoke correctly also. The hard drive is externally powered - so I don't have to worry about usb-port power issues. No observed problems from anybody just leaving the box on? I suspect that the 'on' state probably isn't that much different from the 'stand-by' state anyway, so I wouldn't expect any.
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Well, it does draw somewhat more power when on. Not a whole lot, and the externally-powered HDD certainly helps, but heat buildup might still be a concern. So make sure it's well ventilated. I suppose you could even use a small laptop-cooler fan if you want to be absolutely sure it doesn't get too hot. (Of course, if it does fail, it doesn't cost much to replace.)

The only other problem I foresee is that the HDD sleeps even though the USB port stays active. The obvious trick would be to start recordings a minute early, giving the HDD plenty of time to spin up to speed and start recording before the show starts.

I don't see any other concerns. I think the HW will even turn itself on automatically after a power failure (mine does, at least).
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It's sitting in the open on a shelf in the TV stand (not locked behind doors or anything) - so I think ventilation is OK. Fortunately - I've already impressed on them the importance of padding the recording times both before and after -- since the PSIP for one of our local stations always insists that all programs start at XX:59 (or XX:29) and end at XX:59. (Or XX:29) :-)

To be honest - I was a little surprised to discover the power-off behavior while recording. I assumed that since the box was smart enough not to allow channel changing to ruin a recording that something like remote-initiated power toggle would also be protected ... so I never thought to check that scenario.

Ah well -- the box will be used for maybe only 1 or 2 recordings a week. And they get the voice integration and OneGuide capability for channel changing that was important to them. So overall a positive experience for such a minimal investment.
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Another idea buy this https://www.amazon.com/Mediasonic-HO...words=homeworx

You can set this one up with an attached hard drive for just recording any shows you like.

Use the other one to watch any tv channel you want as the other one records your shows at the same time.

For another 25 you end up with a dual tuner dvr.

I have used this setup for over two years. Works GREAT.
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Fortunately for them, they will never run into a tuner conflict. Like a lot of people now-a-days, they have gone to mostly streaming. The main concern with wanting something to record OTA was a concern about time-shifting (using pause on a program while answering the phone, for example). Actual recording will probably never be more than a couple of programs a week. Even if they want to watch another channel, I set the pass-through option in the menu. I considered getting a splitter - but decided to just try the pass-through option before adding the splitter. Surprisingly, the pass-through worked perfectly. So for those rare times when they would need it, it is available to them.
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I was a little surprised to discover the power-off behavior while recording. I assumed that since the box was smart enough not to allow channel changing to ruin a recording that something like remote-initiated power toggle would also be protected ... so I never thought to check that scenario.
It's even worse. The HW has a couple of functions that can cause a timed power-off - and those functions also override any in-progress recording!
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it didn't occur to me that the box would not protect a recording if the power toggle command was used through the system's remote control. I simply assumed it was a given that it would not turn the box off (or more accurately, stand-by) if a recording was in progress. Thankfully, I carried out this test before recording started - but then realized that my scenario described above was not only possible - but likely at some point in the future. After starting a test recording -- I hit the power button on the remote -- and watched as the box went into stand-by mode, thus killing the recording that had been started.

The only solution was to change the system 'on' commands that are sent from the XBox One -- eliminating the power toggle to the box. Since they all primarily use voice to control the system - they are not going to remember (nor will they have the desire to) use the remote for that one function when voice will handle everything else in the system. My thought was simply to leave the box 'on' all the time. It has minimal power draw. It solves the problem of the power toggle and the box not having the ability to protect or check for a recording in-progress if power toggle is received via remote.
My post was referencing the above as a second homeworx stb as a possible solution to resolve having to leave a single homeworx stb turned on all the time. Or being powered off accidentally. Interupting the scheduled recording.

One homeworx stb could be used to do all the program/s schedule recording.

The other could be connected and controlled by the xbox. Powering on and off, channel surfing, watching programs, etc. used as your main ota tuner.

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Unfortunately - such a system wouldn't fly with them. I don't blame them. With their setup, I wouldn't want a recording system that involved having to deal with changing inputs. Currently they have all apps or functions they use -- Plex, YouTube, TV, whatever -- all on a single input that is accessible via voice. For all of the flak the XBox One got at launch for not being enough of a 'gaming' machine ... for it's media functions, it does work pretty sweet. The voice integration with the apps and TV works well and has for a while now. They have voice capability with Plex, for example, that I can only dream of with my Echo's Plex skill. It's too bad that the Kinect is now pretty much an abandoned product with Microsoft. You can't hardly even find it in stores anymore. That was the appeal of the Homeworx box as opposed to the rest of the clones. The voice control of TV that they had with Dish is really well maintained with the Homeworx. Outside of the change in how recordings are scheduled, everything else in their system and habits is pretty much unchanged.
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Not being an XBox One owner, I'm curious: how does the XBox schedule recordings on the HW? Does the XBox maintain its own events and just send the channel and a "record" remote code when a show is about to start (and a "stop" remote code when the show is over)?
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Recording schedules aren't handled by the XBox One -- but that is no different then when they had Dish. When a recording was desired with Dish, they had to pull out the Dish remote to do it. Same when they wanted to watch a recording. So the introduction of the HW-150 doesn't change anything there. They still will need to pull out the remote when either entering a timer or watching a recording. They use the voice commands for everything else. They use the OneGuide for a nice TV Guide and for channel changes .. voice commands for Plex, YouTube, etc.

I originally pitched a TiVo to them as a Dish replacement - but because their recording needs were so minimal, they didn't want to invest at that cost level. It turns out that the HW-150 is an excellent substitute, however, as they don't have a need for the PSIP guide due to the built-in OneGuide with the XBox One

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OK, so the XBox just treats the HW-150 as a tuner, then. If you say "watch Fox" it'll send the channel/subchannel number for their local Fox affiliate, so they don't need the remote; but if they want to record, say, The Simpsons on Fox, they just pick up the HW remote and set up a weekly recording the way we all would.

And, of course, the HW is smart enough to block any channel change requests from the XBox if a recording is in progress.
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I just received a new Mediasonic Homeworx HW-150PVR to replace my fairly new Ematic AT103B. I really love the AT103B, but two of the remote codes conflict with my Vizio sound bar: (1) sound bar MUTE matches AT103B PLAY, and (2) sound bar INPUT SELECT matches AT103B FF.

The new HW-150PVR is running SW version "Jun 8 2016-0606:08-V5.3" and it is HW version "MLG-7802-V5". According to the Mediasonic website forum, V5.3 should not require an update (they have what looks like on the surface to be a confusing array of firmware versions, some needing update, and some not).

The good news is that the HW-150PVR remote doesn't conflict with the Vizio sound bar. Yay! It also works nicely with the Logitech Harmony universal remote.

The user interface is nearly identical to the AT103B (in fact, many of the online views I've seen of UIs on these small PVR units indicates they are largely about the same).

There are some minor quirks:
  • The program timer wants military time. Not an issue for me, but my wife finds it quite annoying. The AT103B used 12-hour time.
  • A couple of times, when I was pressing a button like FF or Replay multiple times quickly during live viewing, I caused the unit software to "freak out". It just kept randomly, alternately, rapidly presenting different info popups. I had to do a hard reset to stop it. I'm not able to reproduce this problem easily, and I wouldn't normally press the buttons that way on the remote. I was just running a particular IR test.
  • Something odd happened when I first plugged in my USB hard drive that I used for the AT103B. The unit was able to play MTS files I had on the drive, but when I attempted to record to the drive, even though there is over 200GB of free space, I got "Error disk full". I unplugged the drive, reset the unit, plugged it back in, and then it worked fine.

I emailed Mediasonic about the drive anomolies and the military time. They got back to me literally in minutes! And they included a V5.4 beta software file which adds the 12-hour clock option! For hard drive issues, they pointed me immediately to a link on their forum indicating some things to be careful about, like if it's a 2.5-inch drive (which mine is), it cannot sink more than 800mA. They also warned against hard drives that have an automatic sleep mode (but from reading the above, it sounds like they're workable).

I'm very impressed so far with the promptness and usefulness of support both Ematic and Mediasonic. (I had called Ematic earlier this week about the IR codes and I got in to a knowledgable support person very quickly.)

So the HW-150PVR is likely a keeper and the AT103B will go back to Walmart. I'll hang on a few more days before finalizing. Outside of the remote conflict for the AT103B, I would recommend either one of these units.

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If you apply the beta software, let us know. I would be interested if any bugs are introduced with the new beta. From reading old posts in this thread, any new software to fix something also inadvertently broke something else. Interesting things to test would be if the spanning midnight bug still exists or if closed captioning is impacted (a typical problem is getting closed captioning to keep consistent functionality from firmware version to version).
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If you apply the beta software, let us know. I would be interested if any bugs are introduced with the new beta. From reading old posts in this thread, any new software to fix something also inadvertently broke something else. Interesting things to test would be if the spanning midnight bug still exists or if closed captioning is impacted (a typical problem is getting closed captioning to keep consistent functionality from firmware version to version).
I did apply the beta. The note I received from support with the beta said to make sure to let them know if I see any other bugs with it.

I don't know normally mess with CC but I can try to play with it a little. I played with the CC a little and basic CC seems to work. What specifically is the issue I'm looking for with CC? I did notice that for CC font size "medium" was spelled "medium" lol. When you configure it to put the CC on the "bottom" I think they have a strange notion of "bottom". It's about 1/3 of the way up the screen. Maybe that's normal for CC.

I was able to enter times and see them in AM/PM format fine. The little oddity is that the times between midnight and 1:00AM are shown with a 00 hour not with 12, but that's not a big deal to me. I added a test recording for tonight that runs 11:50PM-00:10AM (i.e. 12:10A). It seemed to record fine.

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I did apply the beta. The note I received from support with the beta said to make sure to let them know if I see any other bugs with it.

I don't know normally mess with CC but I can try to play with it a little. I played with the CC a little and basic CC seems to work. What specifically is the issue I'm looking for with CC? I did notice that for CC font size "medium" was spelled "medium" lol. When you configure it to put the CC on the "bottom" I think they have a strange notion of "bottom". It's about 1/3 of the way up the screen. Maybe that's normal for CC.

I was able to enter times and see them in AM/PM format fine. The little oddity is that the times between midnight and 1:00AM are shown with a 00 hour not with 12, but that's not a big deal to me. I added a test recording for tonight that runs 11:50PM-00:10AM (i.e. 12:10A). It seemed to record fine.
The midnight bug to check was described by JHBrandt as:

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If you schedule a "weekly" recording, then try to schedule another weekly recording that starts on the same day but ends after midnight, it incorrectly reports a conflict and won't let you do it. If you schedule the midnight-crossing recording first, though, it will let you schedule both recordings as it should.
That would be the one to test. It has existed over at least 2 versions of firmware, I believe.

If you have CC on, for HD sources does it lag behind after a while? If fast-forwarding, does CC get out of sync? No worries if unable to check. I have the HW150 running on a friend's system and his wife is hearing impaired and uses it a lot. He has already complained to me a bit about the military time - but the CC being impacted in any way would be a bigger issue in their house than having to add 12 to an afternoon or evening recording timer. :-)
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The midnight bug to check was described by JHBrandt as:

If you schedule a "weekly" recording, then try to schedule another weekly recording that starts on the same day but ends after midnight, it incorrectly reports a conflict and won't let you do it.

That would be the one to test. It has existed over at least 2 versions of firmware, I believe.
Thanks! I searched and didn't find it. I tried adding a program that crossed midnight on the same day that another program was already entered for the same day and, indeed, it complained of a conflict. So the bug is still there. I might email them to let them know and see if they say either (a) they don't care, or (b) yeah, we're still working on it.

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I CC ran enabled for about half an hour, and it seemed to keep up pretty well so far. What scenario would use the FF? I thought CC only worked on live TV.

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CC is maintained for recordings and enabling the CC feature allows you to still use CC while watching recordings. i believe it is a standard feature of most DVR's. There was a period of time, however, where I remember reading that various firmware's of these M-Star based clone boxes (homeworx, iview, ematic, CM, etc) had problems with playback of CC. It would work on time-shifting (using the pause button), for example, but not on recordings. Or vice-versa - I don't remember which.
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The CC problem has been that, depending on the HW/SW version, it either works when chase-playing OR when playing back a completed recording.
As yet, I believe no version of Homeworx has closed captions that work in both instances.
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The CC problem has been that, depending on the HW/SW version, it either works when chase-playing OR when playing back a completed recording.
As yet, I believe no version of Homeworx has closed captions that work in both instances.
My experience with the HW-150PVR, at least with the V5.4 beta I'm running, is that CC doesn't seem to come on in either time-shift (chase play) or timed recording playback. I didn't try it with V5.3, so I don't know if it is the same behavior there as well.
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5.3 does have the ability to show CC during recorded show playback. (Of course, the program has to have closed captioning - so prime time shows are good to test). This was the big reason I could use the box for my friend and his family. They had only 2 'must-haves': The compatibility with the Kinect and the support of closed captioning for his wife. I never thought to check for compatibility with chase-play, but will the next time I'm down there.
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