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Sam Biller (sbiller) over at TCF says Mini support was dropped because they chose a cheaper Broadcom chip.
Everything the TiVo does is a function of the firmware so lack of cable and mini support and ??? could have been done by simply cutting those parts out of the Roamio Basic firmware -- they still sell the same box. If they really degraded the hardware to make a cheaper box, that is worrisome. A cheaper CPU chip will probably mean slower menu response and possibly hit the network performance. But, in particular, did they also make the tuner cheaper. The Premier OTA tuner was never very good for pulling in marginal stations. The Roamio Basic put in a better tuner on par with the TiVo HD OTA tuner that locks onto stations well.

If they really did cheapen the hardware in the Roamio OTA box then people considering it should be wary of the OTA tuner and test it thoroughly before the BestBuy return period. It would be best to do that when there are leaves on the trees.

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Does anyone know if the lack of Mini support also mean that it will not allow you to stream between this new box and a Roamio/Premiere? No Mini support seems to imply that it will also not stream, but if it is true then I think this new box is a huge mistake. I've got a two tuner Premiere that I use for OTA recording. I might be interested in this new box if it had a better tuner than the Premiere, but I have no interest if it will not stream content.
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Does anyone know if the lack of Mini support also mean that it will not allow you to stream between this new box and a Roamio/Premiere? No Mini support seems to imply that it will also not stream, but if it is true then I think this new box is a huge mistake. I've got a two tuner Premiere that I use for OTA recording. I might be interested in this new box if it had a better tuner than the Premiere, but I have no interest if it will not stream content.
I think we may have missed the whole point of the OTA Roamio.

Most of us here are aware of the value of the TiVo user interface and capabilities. The OTA Roamio seems to be aimed at Cord Cutters that will no longer have access to the DVR offered by their former Cable Supplier. The low cost of entry coupled with a Monthly Subscription that is lower than their DVR Fee is a pretty good incentive for a cable cutter.

After their first year commitment is up many of these cord cutters will, hopefully, be ready for the FULL TiVo experience and they will not have spent any more than 12 Months of DVR rental at $20 per Month. That is $48 divided by 12 plus $15.95.

That seems to me to be very astute marketing by TiVo.

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The OTA Roamio seems to be aimed at Cord Cutters that will no longer have access to the DVR offered by their former Cable Supplier. The low cost of entry coupled with a Monthly Subscription that is lower than their DVR Fee is a pretty good incentive for a cable cutter.
Except for the point I made above:
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This fee will not attract newly-minted cord cutters away from the DVR+. When you read their comments they feel they have liberated themselves from the monthly TV fee and put an absolute premium on a DVR solution that has no recurring fee -- no fee OTA TV is a religious experience for them. For that they are willing to put up with a reduced feature set and occasional missed recordings.
Follow any of the cheap DVR threads here in this forum and you will see what I mean about the cord-cutters. They are rabidly anti-monthly-subscription. Whenever they attack TiVo it is always based on the existence of a monthly fee. When you point out that a lifetime subscription is available they ignore it and the next poster will come in spouting the anti-subscription mantra.

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Follow any of the cheap DVR threads here in this forum and you will see what I mean about the cord-cutters. They are rabidly anti-monthly-subscription. Whenever they attack TiVo it is always based on the existence of a monthly fee. When you point out that a lifetime subscription is available they ignore it and the next poster will come in spouting the anti-subscription mantra.
Very much agree! Many people seem infatuated with Tivo's monthly fee(as I was before I found out about the lifetime option) when you tell them a "lifetime" option is available they come back with is it my lifetime or the box?? of course they know it's the box at which point they grumble off. Of course if one purchased a DVR like the Moxi or any other $400-500 HD DVR without a monthly(or lifetime) fee and it quit out of warranty they'd also be SOL, Moxi or whoever wouldn't give them a new box for 1/2 price or any discount for that matter, they'd have to purchase a new full price box. No I agree with one of the other posters, Tivo should offer the new OTA DVR as a $399 HD DVR with NO fees. Don't call it lifetime, call it a no monthly fee option. I'm tired hearing people bitch about the "lifetime" option, just market it as a no monthly fee option for $399 or a $49 box with a monthly fee.
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. . . when you tell them a "lifetime" option is available they come back with is it my lifetime or the box?? of course they know it's the box at which point they grumble off.
Forgot about that one. Another of my favorites.

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No I agree with one of the other posters, Tivo should offer the new OTA DVR as a $399 HD DVR with NO fees. Don't call it lifetime, call it a no monthly fee option. I'm tired hearing people bitch about the "lifetime" option, just market it as a no monthly fee option for $399 or a $49 box with a monthly fee.
How about they sell it like a car. You can buy it up front for $xx if you can afford it. But if it is too much for you to swing up front, you can lease it with just a small $50 down payment -- then after 3 yr of the lease you get the option to buy it for $99.

Works for me.

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Guys, I know this a Roamio thread, but I just found one of my two old Lifetime TiVos, in a box at my dad's house... Well, this one is not all that old being a TiVo HD. This doesn't have wifi, right? I have a USB network adaptor here somewhere.... wouldn't mind comparing the tuner on this thing to the Roamio's...
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Guys, I know this a Roamio thread, but I just found one of my two old Lifetime TiVos, in a box at my dad's house... Well, this one is not all that old being a TiVo HD. This doesn't have wifi, right? I have a USB network adaptor here somewhere.... wouldn't mind comparing the tuner on this thing to the Roamio's...
I have a Roamio and an HD. The tuner in the Roamio is better.

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I have a Roamio and an HD. The tuner in the Roamio is better.
Thank you. I had heard that the TiVo HD was quite good... I remain impressed with Roamio's tuner.

If I get Lifetime on the Roamio, add it to the account with the TiVo Hd, I can get Lifetime for $399, I guess with what's called the multi service discount. If I later sell or give away the TiVo HD (a friend really wants it), and only have one TiVo on this account, will TiVo then charge me 100 dollars more because just one box will be on the account?
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Nope, Once you pay for lifetime you can do as you wish with the old box. However, the original box has to remain on your account (in other words don't have your friend setup a new Tivo account and register it) if you want to get additional multi-service discounts in the future. That can get awkward if they needs support, so you might tell him/her it will cost you $100 to give him/her the box. Also, I believe life time will be $299 with the discount unless prices went up since I got mine.
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Thank you Hyrax.

Good information. So, if I were to sell it (TiVo HD) later, like to a stranger, not my friend, what would happen? He says that I'd get some pretty good $ for it...

About when did you purchase your Lifetime, for $299?

As I recall, Lifetime is $499. The discount is $100, so $399 is the deal now, at least that is my understanding....
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Lifetime used to be $299 with the Mulit-service discount. $399 without. A few years ago it was raised to $499. And $399 with a multi-service discount.

In the past I always used the PLSR code to get lifetime service on my TiVos. WHich made the cost the same as with the multi-service discount. That way those TiVos could be a qualifier for lifetime service. And since I typically sold my TiVos after a few years this has worked out well. Although I'm not sure if the PLSR code is still valid. It was for many years though and the last time I used it was with a Launch Roamio Pro last year.
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If I get Lifetime on the Roamio, add it to the account with the TiVo Hd, I can get Lifetime for $399, I guess with what's called the multi service discount. If I later sell or give away the TiVo HD (a friend really wants it), and only have one TiVo on this account, will TiVo then charge me 100 dollars more because just one box will be on the account?
It can be a little more complicated if you read the fine print -- you better check the TOS on the web site. You said that TiVo HD+lifetime was sitting in a box. In order to get the multi-disccount you have to have one active TiVo that is full subscription on your account. Active means it has connected to the TiVo server in the last 12 or 18 months (I forget which it is). I also believe I read that if a lifetime TiVo is disconnected for a certain period of time it is declared inactive (i.e. they assume it broke and you threw it out) and the lifetime is deactivated. So you need to plug in that HD and get it operational.

The comes the matter of full subscription. When you bought lifetime for that HD did you pay full price or did you get it as multi discount. You only get multi-discount if you have an active TiVo with a full price subscription on your account. I have an active HD with full price subscription. When I bought my Roamio I got the multi-discount for lifetime. If I sell and transfer my HD at a future point, when I buy my next TiVo I will have to pay full price for the lifetime.

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Lifetime used to be $299 with the Mulit-service discount. $399 without. A few years ago it was raised to $499. And $399 with a multi-service discount
They raised the price of the lifetime subscription when they dropped the price of the box.

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Thanks everyone.

Was up a bit late trying to educate myself on TiVo's Lifetime and MSD. Indeed, not at all clear, as evidenced by this discussion:

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...d.php?t=485068

There are other ones too that pose an equally confusing situation...

When I spoke with TiVo, I was told so long as the TiVo HD "dialed-in" within 6 months, that would be no problem - for me to get $399 on the Roamio.

The TiVo HD does not have built-in WiFi. I tried a network adaptor, and apparently it was not the right type. No phone service yet at this new house, and actually, we might not get landline service again (have had Ooma for several years at the previous home). So, I'm scrambling to find a long Ethernet line (to reach the router), for mothership connection...

Apparently there is Lifetime, and then there is "anchor Lifetime", or something to that effect. This TiVo HD was not a discounted Lifetime as I recall.
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The TiVo HD does not have built-in WiFi. I tried a network adaptor, and apparently it was not the right type. No phone service yet at this new house, and actually, we might not get landline service again (have had Ooma for several years at the previous home). So, I'm scrambling to find a long Ethernet line (to reach the router), for mothership connection...
There are Wi-Fi to Ethernet Adapters.. If all it needs to do is touch base an download programming data; (no streaming, or transfer to other TiVos) it should be more than enough. And there are also Powerline Network adapters too. My HT rack (TiVo Roamio, Roku3, Amazon FireTV, AVR) connects via Powerline. Works great, and it supports both streaming & program transfer to the TiVo HD upstairs.

Don't buy the TiVo branded WiFi adapter. I had one for my TiVo HD and it died after three years.
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There are Wi-Fi to Ethernet Adapters.. If all it needs to do is touch base an download programming data; (no streaming, or transfer to other TiVos) it should be more than enough. And there are also Powerline Network adapters too. My HT rack (TiVo Roamio, Roku3, Amazon FireTV, AVR) connects via Powerline. Works great, and it supports both streaming & program transfer to the TiVo HD upstairs.

Don't buy the TiVo branded WiFi adapter. I had one for my TiVo HD and it died after three years.
The TiVo Wi-Fi adapters that my GF uses with her two S3 TiVos have been working great for many years. There has never been an issue with them.

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Lifetime used to be $299 with the Mulit-service discount. $399 without. A few years ago it was raised to $499. And $399 with a multi-service discount.

In the past I always used the PLSR code to get lifetime service on my TiVos. WHich made the cost the same as with the multi-service discount. That way those TiVos could be a qualifier for lifetime service. And since I typically sold my TiVos after a few years this has worked out well. Although I'm not sure if the PLSR code is still valid. It was for many years though and the last time I used it was with a Launch Roamio Pro last year.
aaronwt, thanks again. The code still works. This is what it reveals after entry:

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