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informel's Avatar informel 01:50 PM 04-16-2014
Haven't saw any comment from the manufacturer lately and wondering if they have an aproximate release date for the 4 tuners.

TabloTV's Avatar TabloTV 02:49 PM 04-16-2014
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Haven't saw any comment from the manufacturer lately and wondering if they have an aproximate release date for the 4 tuners.

 

ETA is May. If you sign up at www.TabloTV.com/stay-in-touch we'll send you an email when it's ready.


informel's Avatar informel 04:14 PM 04-16-2014
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ETA is May. If you sign up at www.TabloTV.com/stay-in-touch we'll send you an email when it's ready.

I think I did, but just to be sure, I'll do it again
Brgds Yves
qz3fwd's Avatar qz3fwd 03:53 PM 04-17-2014
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ETA is May. If you sign up at www.TabloTV.com/stay-in-touch we'll send you an email when it's ready.

When will we be able to pre-order to lock in a first batch unit?
brg606's Avatar brg606 03:29 PM 04-19-2014
question for the tablo support guy. is that approx 10 second delay when changing/tuning channels something that can be shortened or eliminated? that delay is the biggest drawback i can see so far. thanks.
snowcat's Avatar snowcat 05:18 AM 04-20-2014
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question for the tablo support guy. is that approx 10 second delay when changing/tuning channels something that can be shortened or eliminated? that delay is the biggest drawback i can see so far. thanks.

It's going to be tough because the Tablo is designed to buffer new channels in order to prevent skipping or other issues while watching. I did run a quick test this morning that may help some. I selected one channel, let it buffer, and then it started playing (took about 15 sec). Then I selected another channel, let it buffer, and it started playing (same amount of time). Finally, I switched back to the first channel. That came up in 1-2 sec. Once a channel has been buffered, it will come up almost immediately.

So for people that want to use the Tablo to skip between several channels, the four tuner model will be the best bet. It should buffer up to four channels, though you would have to go between them all at least once.
informel's Avatar informel 06:59 PM 04-20-2014
I use to install antenna a long time ago and still have my field strench meter and would like to know the sensivity of the tuner
Mattman13's Avatar Mattman13 06:46 AM 04-21-2014

How is the buffer recording different than any other DVR?   When I change channels on my FIOS DVR,  the channel changes immediately and the DVR starts to buffer ASAP which is usually a few seconds off on the actual recording.  It is being done by every DVR,  so it is not like we are asking for something special from the Tablo.   10 second pause will not pass the wife test.

 

-MM13


WS65711's Avatar WS65711 07:44 AM 04-21-2014
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How is the buffer recording different than any other DVR?   When I change channels on my FIOS DVR,  the channel changes immediately and the DVR starts to buffer ASAP which is usually a few seconds off on the actual recording.  It is being done by every DVR,  so it is not like we are asking for something special from the Tablo.   10 second pause will not pass the wife test.

-MM13

But every other DVR is connected to the display by HDMI or Component cables. The Tablo (the way I understand it) is always streaming to the display.. even if the display is sitting right next to it on the shelf. The Tablo probably changes channels very quickly, but preparing the stream to the display takes some time . . .
snowcat's Avatar snowcat 08:04 AM 04-21-2014
WS65711 posted before I could finish this post, but he hit the nail on the head.

I believe that it's quite different than DVRs by FIOS, satellite, or cable. With those, the DVR is just a tuner and hard drive between the source of the programming and your TV set. There are no network concerns at all on the DVR itself. Some providers do have clients that run off the DVR, but those clients are almost always connected through a high speed Ethernet or Coax network.

The Tablo DVR doesn't connect to any device directly. It is basically a streaming server. While the delay for buffering could be reduced, the risk is that the buffer is too small and any network hiccup would cause the stream to pause or skip. It's quite possible that Tablo is being conservative with their delay so that it can handle worst case scenarios (wireless Tablo connecting to multiple wireless clients).

Seeing how the Tablo works, it is no wonder the 4 tuner model is taking longer to develop. Trying to handle 4 streams seems more complex because of the extra buffering.
Mattman13's Avatar Mattman13 08:07 AM 04-21-2014

WS65711,

 

Ugh, now I get it.    I have changed my marching orders.  I want HDMI for my main TV.   "HDMI, HDMI, HDMI".   :)

 

-MM13


Charles R's Avatar Charles R 08:32 AM 04-21-2014
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Trying to handle 4 streams seems more complex because of the extra buffering.

 

I have four tuners in my electronic closet and WMC changes channels within a second at all of the network attached displays.


Aero 1's Avatar Aero 1 09:00 AM 04-21-2014
it has nothing to do with a display or HDMI or the network for that matter, the reason you see the lag is because the tablo ALWAYS transcodes the mpeg2 stream to mp4 (or whatever they use). It takes time for the thing to lock on the channel you want, internally transcode it, buffer it, and then display it. if you change the channel, it stops the transcode, dumps it, acquires the new channel, begins to transcode it, buffer it and then display it to you so you can trick play it. That takes time.

a regular DVR simply records the native stream on the drive.
snowcat's Avatar snowcat 09:08 AM 04-21-2014
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if you change the channel, it stops the transcode, dumps it, acquires the new channel, begins to transcode it, buffer it and then display it to you so you can trick play it. .

Actually, if you change the channel, it will still keep transcoding the original channel (as far as I can tell), as long as you aren't already using a tuner for recording or Tablo connect (in that case, it would have to stop all activity on the channel you were watching). If you have a four tuner model, then you could have 4 channels all transcoding at the same time.

Switching between two channels that are already being tuned is very quick (1-2 seconds). With the four tuner model, it should let you switching between four channels easily, though that first time a channel is tuned is going to be slow.
laridae's Avatar laridae 12:25 PM 04-21-2014
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WS65711,

 

Ugh, now I get it.    I have changed my marching orders.  I want HDMI for my main TV.   "HDMI, HDMI, HDMI".   :)

 

-MM13

 

I agree!

 

Bad enough the Tablo hijacks my only OTA antenna feed. They also physically remove the box to a different room in the house and require me to stream the signal to get it back to my main TV again!

 

As I said before. To pass the wife test, to do something simple like watch live TV there needs to be a straight link from antenna - Tablo - TV.

 

Tablo - you need to support HDMI-out to the main TV. Beyond that you can stream it wherever you like but you have to allow simple live viewing without jumping through hoops or you're gonna find your market demographic is limited to geeks and early-adopters.


brg606's Avatar brg606 08:35 PM 04-21-2014
I think the delay would be more tolerated if it affected mobile devices only, but for me to buy this I need a delay free channel change on my roku equipped tvs. wonder if there was a way to program this into the existing tablo?
mbellaire's Avatar mbellaire 11:08 AM 04-22-2014
My Tablo is sitting right next to my main TV and both have an OTA feed (feed is split). I agree that changing channels while using the Tablo to watch live tv is slow, but all my TVs already have OTA feeds so I only rarely use this capability. My main reason for getting the Tablo was its DVR function, and that works very well.
Mattman13's Avatar Mattman13 11:13 AM 04-22-2014

mbellaire,

 

This fails the wife test.   Plus going back to the OTA via the TV would not have any pause capabilities.   Needs to be as close to a real DVR as possible.

 

-MM13


brg606's Avatar brg606 11:21 AM 04-22-2014
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Questions123's Avatar Questions123 11:30 AM 04-22-2014
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My Tablo is sitting right next to my main TV and both have an OTA feed (feed is split). I agree that changing channels while using the Tablo to watch live tv is slow, but all my TVs already have OTA feeds so I only rarely use this capability. My main reason for getting the Tablo was its DVR function, and that works very well.

I do this too. As a DVR the Tablo is awesome.
mbellaire's Avatar mbellaire 11:31 AM 04-22-2014
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...going back to the OTA via the TV would not have any pause capabilities.
True enough. Not a big issue for us, as almost all the tv shows we watch are time shifted anyway.
mbellaire's Avatar mbellaire 11:36 AM 04-22-2014
I used a splitter that the cable company left behind to split the OTA feed. I don't know if using a Cable TV Splitter is recommended for OTA signals (or if it makes any difference), but it works well for me.
qz3fwd's Avatar qz3fwd 12:15 PM 04-22-2014
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I think the delay would be more tolerated if it affected mobile devices only, but for me to buy this I need a delay free channel change on my roku equipped tvs. wonder if there was a way to program this into the existing tablo?

They should be able to determine if the playback device is on the internal local network and NOT buffer 10 seconds of content before sending out data. When you hit play on a previously recorded show/movie, does it buffer for 10 seconds before initiating playback also? If so, then that would be really annoying. Kind of like the first generation blu ray players which took forever to load the disc and start playback.

Anyhow, this device is targeted to a non traditional DVR user. Adding HDMI outputs would have added additional licensinig costs, certification, handshake problems, and general complexity, and would have delayed introduction into the market. I understand what this device is, who it is meant for, and can live with some of these wants because I already have a traditional DVR. I actually have multiple DVR's.


Looking forward to placing a pre-order for the 4 tuner version.
Come on tablo guys. Get the 4 tuner pre-order page up so I can click BuyItNow.....
mohanman's Avatar mohanman 02:48 PM 04-22-2014
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mbellaire,

This fails the wife test.   Plus going back to the OTA via the TV would not have any pause capabilities.   Needs to be as close to a real DVR as possible.

-MM13

My wife doesn't like electronics.. she spits on them. But she finds that Tablo TV and Roku 3 is very wife friendly. I mean how much more simple can it get? A roku remote? A couple icons?

Tablo TV rocks, so far with all the recordings I have done, it hasn't missed one.. flawless!
informel's Avatar informel 02:54 PM 04-22-2014
You are listening to live TV, if you start playing immediately, then you are not buffering.
When you listen to something on internet that is recorded, it is not a problem because the download is faster and it can buffer as you Watch.

How can you buffer something that is live.
Aero 1's Avatar Aero 1 02:55 PM 04-22-2014
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mbellaire,

Needs to be as close to a real DVR as possible.

-MM13

No it doesnt!! Get a real DVR if you want a real DVR, this is not it and it will never be.

People like laridee and many others here have this sense of, do i call it entitlement? or grudge with a company like Tivo that offers everything they are looking for but refuse to get it because of this false sense of morality and a false sense of how economics in running a business, licensing, patents, free markets and what not works.

People here want everything under the sun just to make their wives happy but want to spend almost no money possible, while spending lots of money and time buying up, testing and troubleshooting different devices thinking it will do the job. When it doesnt do the job, they demand and "scold" the company that its horrible because you didn't add and HDMI out. Not taking anything above into account and refusing to realize that what they ask for from all these new startups and Chinese manufacturers that all over this forum already exists, and it does the job very well.

Tablo is a different product for a different subset of the TV watching market. They want the relatively new consumer device tv watching market, they dont want the old tv watching market. This concept should not be hard to understand if one took a simple business class in high school.

Now, of course all of that could change and Tablo could release a standard DVR with HDMI out, but the complaining here will be shifted to how much more expensive that will be and why for god sakes they didn't include analog outputs.
WS65711's Avatar WS65711 03:31 PM 04-22-2014
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No it doesnt!! Get a real DVR if you want a real DVR, this is not it and it will never be......

Bingo!

And that's why I've thought (although never came out and actually said it) that this thread is in the wrong forum.
snowcat's Avatar snowcat 04:40 PM 04-22-2014
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Bingo!

And that's why I've thought (although never came out and actually said it) that this thread is in the wrong forum.

It's an HDTV Recorder. Therefore it is in the correct forum.
snowcat's Avatar snowcat 04:48 PM 04-22-2014
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You are listening to live TV, if you start playing immediately, then you are not buffering.
When you listen to something on internet that is recorded, it is not a problem because the download is faster and it can buffer as you Watch.

How can you buffer something that is live.

It's still a stream of data, live or recorded. Buffering helps enable smooth playback at the expense of a delay in your broadcast.
Charles R's Avatar Charles R 04:52 PM 04-22-2014
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And that's why I've thought (although never came out and actually said it) that this thread is in the wrong forum.

 

Actually, by definition it belongs here. They said the same thing about my WMC thread over two years ago. Being here has a couple of advantages...

 

  • Increased exposure - the product is introduced to many who would never be exposed to it other wise.
  • Lack of exposure - being off the beaten path it avoids certain types of posters. The endless posts declaring this or that and the non-stop debating of details of little matter blown out of proportion.

 

Not saying it's entirely different but I think it's safe to say the environment is different enough that it offers benefits especially for those who wouldn't necessarily look elsewhere or be willing to fight through the stream of traffic. I know in my case I punted WMC once or twice by simply reading about such in the HTPC forum... most posts were about stupid little things that hid the forest for the trees. I have received many a PM over the two years stating they found WMC here and saw it as an actual solution. Heck even one or two that were up and running... :) 


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