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TabloTV's Avatar TabloTV 02:46 PM 05-13-2014
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Originally Posted by Brajesh View Post

TabloTV, you'll have me as a customer as soon as you offer ability save recordings to my computer. This is already possible with Simple.tv, albeit not by them, but a user-built app.

 

I just responded to your email, but thought I'd share with the class so everyone can hear the answer... 

 

Long story short, we could implement a ‘kludge’ for now and give power users access to download files fairly easily. But we like to focus on creating the best possible experience for ALL of our users which is why we're approaching adding this feature in a much more focused way. We want to make downloading shows so easy that grandma can do it and we want to make sure it does it consistently. 

 

Yes, it means that the power users like you have to wait a bit longer, but in the long run the feature will work as advertised and be easier to use than any ‘kludge’ we could implement in the meantime. 

 

This feature is highly requested (both inside the office and out) so it’ll only be a matter of time and coding resources before we get this done. 



TabloTV's Avatar TabloTV 02:50 PM 05-13-2014
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Originally Posted by ZapBrannagin View Post
 

Hi,

Has any tablo owner tried to view live tv/recordings through the XBOX One or PS4 built in web browsers ?  I'd be interested in hearing about the possibilities ( pros / cons) . Thanks.

 

This isn't something we've tested ourselves. Sometimes the web-based app has worked in embedded browsers but usually only on those with gyroscopic interfaces (not D-pad interfaces).

 

Curious to see if anyone has given it a shot.


Brajesh's Avatar Brajesh 02:52 PM 05-13-2014
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Originally Posted by TabloTV View Post

I just responded to your email, but thought I'd share with the class so everyone can hear the answer... 

Long story short, we could implement a ‘kludge’ for now and give power users access to download files fairly easily. But we like to focus on creating the best possible experience for ALL of our users which is why we're approaching adding this feature in a much more focused way. We want to make downloading shows so easy that grandma can do it and we want to make sure it does it consistently. 

Yes, it means that the power users like you have to wait a bit longer, but in the long run the feature will work as advertised and be easier to use than any ‘kludge’ we could implement in the meantime. 

This feature is highly requested (both inside the office and out) so it’ll only be a matter of time and coding resources before we get this done. 
Thank you... hopefully, "a bit longer" means by Fall smile.gif. I know Simple.tv is working on a similar feature. Officially, not just the user-created app.
TabloTV's Avatar TabloTV 03:03 PM 05-13-2014

We're actively looking to add an additional iOS developer so we can speed up our dev cycles. We have added an Android guy (he starts soon!) so we'll be able to crank through features at a faster pace now. Still no ETA to share but it's definitely high on the priority list. 


Xzyl's Avatar Xzyl 05:46 PM 05-13-2014
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Originally Posted by TabloTV View Post
 

 

I just responded to your email, but thought I'd share with the class so everyone can hear the answer... 

 

Long story short, we could implement a ‘kludge’ for now and give power users access to download files fairly easily. But we like to focus on creating the best possible experience for ALL of our users which is why we're approaching adding this feature in a much more focused way. We want to make downloading shows so easy that grandma can do it and we want to make sure it does it consistently. 

 

Yes, it means that the power users like you have to wait a bit longer, but in the long run the feature will work as advertised and be easier to use than any ‘kludge’ we could implement in the meantime. 

 

This feature is highly requested (both inside the office and out) so it’ll only be a matter of time and coding resources before we get this done. 


Has anyone tried using video downloader plugins for Chrome such as Freemake or GetThemAll Downloader to download to a computer in order to transfer to mobile as a stop gap?

 

http://www.freemake.com/free_video_downloader/

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/getthemall-downloader/nbkekaeindpfpcoldfckljplboolgkfm

 

*Edit:  I am confused over something that I thought I (mis)read about the Tablo either here or on the official forum.  It is about playing back a currently recording show.  I somehow got the impression that the only way to watch from the beginning is to rewind to it.  If this is correct is it a conditional?  Such as if you have the channel on screen yes but if you go to the recordings screen you can start from the beginning?


Eric83's Avatar Eric83 10:45 PM 05-13-2014
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Originally Posted by ZapBrannagin View Post

Hi,
Has any tablo owner tried to view live tv/recordings through the XBOX One or PS4 built in web browsers ? I'd be interested in hearing about the possibilities ( pros / cons) . Thanks.
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Originally Posted by TabloTV View Post

This isn't something we've tested ourselves. Sometimes the web-based app has worked in embedded browsers but usually only on those with gyroscopic interfaces (not D-pad interfaces).

Curious to see if anyone has given it a shot.

hmmm..... I wonder if the web based app works with Nintendo's Wii U webbrowser?

it's plays h.264 video streams & unlike PS4 or XboxOne it's a touchscreen based webbrowser.

The tablo web based app might unintentionally be very compatible with the Wii U.

Anybody try it?
snowcat's Avatar snowcat 04:44 AM 05-14-2014
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*Edit:  I am confused over something that I thought I (mis)read about the Tablo either here or on the official forum.  It is about playing back a currently recording show.  I somehow got the impression that the only way to watch from the beginning is to rewind to it.  If this is correct is it a conditional?  Such as if you have the channel on screen yes but if you go to the recordings screen you can start from the beginning?

The only app that has a problem with this is the Android app. During live TV, the Android app can only pause and play. If you are recording a show and it is still going on when you go to the recordings screen and select that show, it won't start at the beginning. It just goes to the live tv with the same limitations as live tv, despite it having the 20 sec rewind and 30 sec skip buttons. Once the show is over, then you can view the recording and have complete control from the beginning.

This problem isn't in the web app, Roku app or iPad app. If you select a show that is being recorded, you can go to the recording and start at the beginning, or you can go to live tv and rewind to any spot earlier in the show.

(And if you use Chromecast via the Android app, it will have the same limitations as the Android App)
snowcat's Avatar snowcat 04:54 AM 05-14-2014
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hmmm..... I wonder if the web based app works with Nintendo's Wii U webbrowser?

it's plays h.264 video streams & unlike PS4 or XboxOne it's a touchscreen based webbrowser.

The tablo web based app might unintentionally be very compatible with the Wii U.

Anybody try it?

I have a Wii U, so I just tried it. I can select my Tablo, but it gets stuck at the "Connecting" screen. Since it isn't a Chrome or Safari browser, it just doesn't work (it uses something called NetFront® Browser NX v2.1).
Brajesh's Avatar Brajesh 09:17 AM 05-15-2014
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Has anyone tried using video downloader plugins for Chrome such as Freemake or GetThemAll Downloader
to download to a computer in order to transfer to mobile as a stop gap?

http://www.freemake.com/free_video_downloader/
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/getthemall-downloader/nbkekaeindpfpcoldfckljplboolgkfm
These type of tools will likely only let you do a screen capture and transcode that to a mp4 or whatever. Quality will suffer. Tablo is likely storing the recordings as HLS streams, so they need to figure out how to let us download to PC as standard mpeg4.
TabloTV's Avatar TabloTV 09:31 AM 05-15-2014
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Originally Posted by Brajesh View Post

Tablo is likely storing the recordings as HLS streams, so they need to figure out how to let us download to PC as standard mpeg4.

 

You hit the nail on the head. :) 


qz3fwd's Avatar qz3fwd 01:41 PM 05-15-2014
It should be fairly easy for them to re-construct the MPEG2-TS container from the HLS streaming files.
Brajesh's Avatar Brajesh 05:49 AM 05-16-2014
Tablo is transcoding on the fly and only saving the HLS MPEG4 stream(s). So, there is no original MPEG2-TS.
qz3fwd's Avatar qz3fwd 08:07 AM 05-16-2014
No maybe you did not understand what I wrote. Let me clarify. It should be easy for them to take the HLS MPEG4 streams and construct a MPEG2TS container with the H.264 video plus whatever audio which then can be transferred to a computer or other device.
Brajesh's Avatar Brajesh 09:58 AM 05-16-2014
Okay, I see. I currently have Simple.tv and a user built a tool that allows you to download the HLS MP4's to your PC. VLC, MPC-HC, etc. will play these MP4's, but most media players (WD TV, XBMC, etc.) won't. Anyway, I posted a question on Doom9 forums asking if there's a lossless way to convert HLS MP4's to standard MP4's. Hopefully there's a tool out there for this.
Brajesh's Avatar Brajesh 12:04 PM 05-16-2014
Okay, I think I have something cool to report. Maybe this will help Tablo in their development of a download tool. Although the user-created Simple.tv tool has been great for downloading the HLS MP4 files (same way Tablo stores recordings) to my PC, I wasn't able to get my media players (XBMC, WD TV and Mede8er) to play the files w/o artifacts (garbled video). I tried a bunch of tools to losslessly save the files so they're playable elsewhere (as these MP4's are already re-encoded from the original OTA airings), but all involved re-encoding. However, if you simply drop the MP4's into MKVMerge and output a MKV file, they play perfectly in XBMC and other media players. It's also easier once you have the MKV's to demux them into video/audio streams and put them into a different container.
TabloTV's Avatar TabloTV 01:05 PM 05-16-2014

Thanks for the heads-up Brajesh. Will pass that along to the team.


Brajesh's Avatar Brajesh 06:18 PM 05-16-2014
Well, what I posted only half works. If you simply convert to MKV via MKVMerge, most media players seem to play it. If you edit, then no. Same garbled video frown.gif.
qz3fwd's Avatar qz3fwd 11:12 AM 05-17-2014
Sounds like what you need is to find a video editor that will let you add all the clips into the time line and then export and reconstruct the time code the players are getting screwed up on without re - encoding the video nor audio.

Maybe videoredo or the SolveigMM Video Splitter editors are up to the challenge?
Brajesh's Avatar Brajesh 08:07 AM 05-18-2014
I am using VideoRedo (the h.264 version). Resulting MKV's (w/o commercials) are sometimes playable on media players, other times have garbled/pixellated video.
qz3fwd's Avatar qz3fwd 10:39 AM 05-19-2014
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I am using VideoRedo (the h.264 version). Resulting MKV's (w/o commercials) are sometimes playable on media players, other times have garbled/pixellated video.

Try exporting as a transport stream, not MKV.
Just back in Dec 2013 VRD was having problems with MKV as evidenced by the changelog:
"Fix: MKV output, MKV files with MPEG2 video crash PowerDVD and cause problems in other players."
Brajesh's Avatar Brajesh 11:29 AM 05-19-2014
What you suggested works! Thanks. I also tried taking the TS, dropping it into MKVMerge and outputting a MKV... and I get garbled/pixellated video again. Don't understand why MKV as a container (vs. TS) for the same H.264 and AAC streams should matter. But, hey, at least TS seems to play well.
qz3fwd's Avatar qz3fwd 12:31 PM 05-19-2014
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What you suggested works! Thanks. I also tried taking the TS, dropping it into MKVMerge and outputting a MKV... and I get garbled/pixellated video again. Don't understand why MKV as a container (vs. TS) for the same H.264 and AAC streams should matter. But, hey, at least TS seems to play well.

Kinda makes you wonder why in the heck they chose the HLS "standard" for their container in the first place.
They could easily add metadata for random access as they transcode to H.264 and stuff the H.264 back into a MPEG2TS container.

Maybe they have very valid & sound engineering reasons for using the containet they curently use????
Brajesh's Avatar Brajesh 01:15 PM 05-19-2014
Simple.tv and Tablo both use HLS, so maybe there's a good reason.
qz3fwd's Avatar qz3fwd 01:50 PM 05-19-2014
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Simple.tv and Tablo both use HLS, so maybe there's a good reason.

I would be willing to bet lunch it was a design choice of the hardware manufacturer which makes the tuners/transcoding hardware encoder they use.
TabloTV's Avatar TabloTV 11:06 AM 05-20-2014

So qz3fwd - where are we going to lunch? :D

 

We chose HLS because it's the native Apple streaming language and we started out programming specifically for the Apple environment. Added benefits are that it does adaptive bit rate and easily transverses firewalls. It's becoming one of the defacto streaming languages for these reasons. 


qz3fwd's Avatar qz3fwd 01:34 PM 05-20-2014
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So qz3fwd - where are we going to lunch? biggrin.gif

We chose HLS because it's the native Apple streaming language and we started out programming specifically for the Apple environment. Added benefits are that it does adaptive bit rate and easily transverses firewalls. It's becoming one of the defacto streaming languages for these reasons. 

We are going to lunch when you guys actually release the 4 tuner version! smile.gif
Been waiting a while now......

That makes me wonder what is actually inside hardware wise?
Has anyone been brave enough to crack open their case and taken some pics showing all of the hardware inside this device?
It would be interesting to see the specifications for the hardware which enables MPEG2->H.264 transcoding.
TabloTV's Avatar TabloTV 02:15 PM 05-20-2014
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We are going to lunch when you guys actually release the 4 tuner version! smile.gif
Been waiting a while now......

That makes me wonder what is actually inside hardware wise?
Has anyone been brave enough to crack open their case and taken some pics showing all of the hardware inside this device?
It would be interesting to see the specifications for the hardware which enables MPEG2->H.264 transcoding.

 

Touché! However, we're almost there for the 4-Tuner, one last test to pass!

 

 

As for guts - you can read all about our tuner in this news release that was issued today: http://www.maxlinear.com/maxlinear-mxl603-selected-by-nuvyyo-for-innovative-tablo-hdtv-atsc-broadcast-dvr/

 

And our encoding/transcoding is done by ViXS http://vixs.com/index-ee.php/products/product/xcode-5100-series


Mattman13's Avatar Mattman13 02:21 PM 05-20-2014

Any update on Visual FFW/REW capabilities?

 

-MM13


TabloTV's Avatar TabloTV 02:27 PM 05-20-2014
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Any update on Visual FFW/REW capabilities?

 

-MM13

 

Sorry Mattman - we've been crunching through 'manual' recordings (ie record by date/time/channel). Once that's done we'll be able to start working on the giant list of feature requests. 

 

Unfortunately showing previews for FF/REW is quite difficult - we may not have the processing power for that so we'll have to take a closer look to see if it's at all possible.


informel's Avatar informel 03:35 PM 05-20-2014
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Touché! However, we're almost there for the 4-Tuner, one last test to pass!

Since you are a Canadian business, I hope it will be available in Canada at the same time;)
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