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cc_in_oh's Avatar cc_in_oh 08:08 AM 08-26-2014
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Originally Posted by Brajesh View Post
I don't see why not. I expect Tablo's HLS mp4's and similar to Simple.tv's. Drop into VideoRedo and save as H.264 ts. It should save without re-encoding.
Is the Tablo drive directly readable? Just fire up VRD and point it to the Tablo? Or an additional export step?

Brajesh's Avatar Brajesh 08:23 AM 08-26-2014
I don't have a Tablo (as I'm still a Simple.tv user), but I've read it's a few extra steps to pull your recordings. Here you go.

Reason I'm still holding onto Simple.tv is users have built tools that allow you to download shows easily via any STV DVR on your home network.
cc_in_oh's Avatar cc_in_oh 10:01 AM 08-26-2014
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Originally Posted by Brajesh View Post
I don't have a Tablo (as I'm still a Simple.tv user), but I've read it's a few extra steps to pull your recordings. Here you go.

Reason I'm still holding onto Simple.tv is users have built tools that allow you to download shows easily via any STV DVR on your home network.
Thanks for the link...
TabloTV's Avatar TabloTV 11:32 AM 08-27-2014
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Originally Posted by TonyB1966 View Post
Maybe a question best for member"TabloTV"...

I've been wanting to ask, can Tablo have a happy, long life in the attic?

Gets hot up there of course, and fairly cool in the winter...

It can get pretty toasty stacked adjacent to A/V equipment too, especially if there is not much space for air to circulate.

Thanks.
Safe operating temperatures for Tablo are 10-45 degrees Celsius so if your attic maintains that kind of temperature throughout the seasons it should be A-OK.

We have had people place their Tablo units in all kinds of weird places like in the laundry room.
TonyB1966's Avatar TonyB1966 12:45 PM 08-27-2014
Thank you TabloTV.

I had called you all yesterday actually and heard back, I think from David, giving me the green light to proceed with an attic install. I've often had companies say that they'll call back, but majority have not...

That said, 45c is just 113 degrees F. Attics can get 130, 140 degrees on the hottest days. Most attic fans as I recall kick on at 120 to 130 degrees. Some of the coolest attics on Summer days are 10 to 15 degrees over ambient. So, on days that are 100+ outside, which is not uncommon in CA, the Tablo will be in an environment beyond its specs...

Was hoping for an attic install to minimize the cable run and associated attenuations / losses. One of the many virtues of a Tablo is the flexibility of location.
qz3fwd's Avatar qz3fwd 05:38 PM 08-27-2014
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Originally Posted by TonyB1966 View Post
Thank you TabloTV.

I had called you all yesterday actually and heard back, I think from David, giving me the green light to proceed with an attic install. I've often had companies say that they'll call back, but majority have not...

That said, 45c is just 113 degrees F. Attics can get 130, 140 degrees on the hottest days. Most attic fans as I recall kick on at 120 to 130 degrees. Some of the coolest attics on Summer days are 10 to 15 degrees over ambient. So, on days that are 100+ outside, which is not uncommon in CA, the Tablo will be in an environment beyond its specs...

Was hoping for an attic install to minimize the cable run and associated attenuations / losses. One of the many virtues of a Tablo is the flexibility of location.
High prolonged temperatures are mortal weapons for electronics like the Tablo. If you want a long lasting device, place it elsewhere where it is cooler. The thing is passively cooled and already runs warm from the get go. OTOH-you could just replace the unit every 12 months-but then your paired recordings might be unplayable?
TonyB1966's Avatar TonyB1966 05:54 PM 08-27-2014
Yes, I'm not putting the Tablo in the attic now. I would only do so if it were in the proximity of an exhaust fan, which I don't have on this new home as of yet... Fortunately, it's only another 12 feet down to the entertainment center. I was just trying to shorten the route as much as possible as reception here is a challenge.

How different is user experience for Tablo on the home network versus a remote one? Thinking of putting the Tablo in our other home and experiment with the reception there...
snowcat's Avatar snowcat 08:15 AM 08-28-2014
I would be pretty nervous doing that. First, there is no way to remotely force a reboot. Second, I think you have to re-pair your devices if you update your firmware. With firmware updates about once a month, that could be problematic if you aren't close to your other home.

At some point, the software is supposed to auto-sense your remote connection and scale the resolution appropriately. Right now, you have to set the bandwidth used, or set it to max. At max, your Tablo client acts just like it is on your Tablo's home network and doesn't use up an extra tuner. All the other settings use up one extra tuner. But if you do max, then you are really limited to 720p and need at least 5 Mpbs upload speeds on your Tablo home network.
TonyB1966's Avatar TonyB1966 09:46 AM 08-28-2014
snowcat, thank you for taking the time to reply. You bring-up valid points for which I was not aware. A great reason to continue to ask questions around here!

Hmmm.... Given that local pairing is needed periodically, I agree that leaving the Tablo in our now mostly vacant home is not a good idea. We are about 30 minutes away, so not bad I suppose. I have some other rather novel ideas that I'll experiment with instead...

I know there is much on Tablo's plate, but auto-sensing the remote connection would be nice. We sometimes times travel to Asia for 4 week vacations, if not longer.

Good information on the bandwidth "requirements". Our other home has internet, but I just scaled it back to a lower service to lessen the billing, but still have service for when we visit and still be able to monitor the surveillance cameras remotely. If upload is less than 5Mbs and proves to be problematic, what is experienced to indicate this is the issue?

The primary remote use would be for occasional recording of sporting events, and later viewing remotely. I wonder if selecting play, then pause, to let it buffer for a while would suffice in preventing the appearance of upload limitations...
snowcat's Avatar snowcat 10:49 AM 08-28-2014
I tried to play around with it when I went to Europe this summer. The cool thing is that as long as you have an internet connection, you can connect. The bad thing is that most hotels have terrible bandwidth.

I tried to watch the World Cup finals on it. While I have 5 Mbps uploads on my home network, the download speed at the hotel must have been pretty bad. I tried initially a 2 Mbps speeds. It will play fine for a minute or two, and then it will buffer for a while. Then it will play for another minute or so and buffer.

I switched to 1 Mpbs (luckily you can change all of this using a web browser or tablet app). Same thing. I finally resorted to 500 Kbps, and it worked (though the picture was really bad on the iPad). So you will have long periods of no activity if the upload isn't good enough or the download is too weak.

Also note that Tablo Connect only works with computers, smartphones, and tablets. You can't use your Roku yet (it just won't pair like other devices). A Chromecast should work since it isn't paired to a Tablo; it just uses a laptop or tablet that is paired.
TonyB1966's Avatar TonyB1966 09:36 PM 08-28-2014
snowcat, you are very informative and kind to share. You addressed questions I was about to ask... Thank you.
snowcat's Avatar snowcat 06:25 AM 08-29-2014
I am just glad to help out. Your stories with the Tablo and the Tivo have been very enjoyable to read, and I really like your attitude toward this product.
qz3fwd's Avatar qz3fwd 03:36 PM 08-31-2014
Is the 4 tuner limited to 720p resolution? Mine is boxed up in storage while I prepare to move.....
Can you set a per channel resolution? ie-In otherwords for CBS/NBC/PBS I want 1080, while for ABC & Fox I want 720: Native pixel resolution on each channel?
snowcat's Avatar snowcat 07:39 AM 09-01-2014
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Originally Posted by qz3fwd View Post
Is the 4 tuner limited to 720p resolution? Mine is boxed up in storage while I prepare to move.....
Can you set a per channel resolution? ie-In otherwords for CBS/NBC/PBS I want 1080, while for ABC & Fox I want 720: Native pixel resolution on each channel?
What the Tablo folks have explained is that the 720p/1080p setting only affects 1080i channels. 720p channels are always going to be recorded in 720p, no matter what the setting (assuming it isn't set to standard definition).
qz3fwd's Avatar qz3fwd 05:25 PM 09-02-2014
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What the Tablo folks have explained is that the 720p/1080p setting only affects 1080i channels. 720p channels are always going to be recorded in 720p, no matter what the setting (assuming it isn't set to standard definition).
If you are saying that it will take the 1080i native resolution (most of the major networks) and shrink it down to 720p, then that is really lame and a major flaw in the product which I was not aware of.
Dave Harper's Avatar Dave Harper 10:03 PM 09-02-2014
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Originally Posted by qz3fwd View Post
If you are saying that it will take the 1080i native resolution (most of the major networks) and shrink it down to 720p, then that is really lame and a major flaw in the product which I was not aware of.
Where did he say that? What he did say is that here's a setting for 1080i signals to either do 720p or 1080p, so if you don't like it down rezzing to 720p, set it to 1080p.
snowcat's Avatar snowcat 04:10 AM 09-03-2014
It's a choice by the user. If the user wants to save space on the hard drive or the user just has 720p TV sets, then 720p is the way to go. If the user wants 1080i signals at full resolution, then 1080p should be the setting.
qz3fwd's Avatar qz3fwd 09:26 AM 09-03-2014
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Originally Posted by Dave Harper View Post
Where did he say that? What he did say is that here's a setting for 1080i signals to either do 720p or 1080p, so if you don't like it down rezzing to 720p, set it to 1080p.
For some reason I thought snowcat stated that the tablo folks explained the device could not de-interlace 1080i to 1080p, but I guess I mis-read it. Sorry....
snowcat's Avatar snowcat 11:04 AM 09-03-2014
No problem. I probably could have said it better. I was just trying to point out that setting it to 1080p is equivalent to native pixel resolution.

What I don't know is a good way to prove it. I suppose the best way is to to set it to 1080p and record an hour long show on a 1080i channel and also record an hour long show on a 720p channel. The show on the 720p channel should be noticeably smaller.
qz3fwd's Avatar qz3fwd 02:38 PM 09-03-2014
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Originally Posted by snowcat View Post
No problem. I probably could have said it better. I was just trying to point out that setting it to 1080p is equivalent to native pixel resolution.

What I don't know is a good way to prove it. I suppose the best way is to to set it to 1080p and record an hour long show on a 1080i channel and also record an hour long show on a 720p channel. The show on the 720p channel should be noticeably smaller.
Yeah-I dont care for devices "molesting" the picture by downrezzing (throwing away information).

Cant you download the recordings presumably as mp4's or ts's and use mediainfo app on the file to check resolution?
I thought there was an un-official way to offload recordings?
snowcat's Avatar snowcat 11:42 AM 09-09-2014
The Tablo folks (I just have a tough time writing Nuvyyo) had an interesting blog post today: http://www.tablotv.com/blog/cedia-20...e-card-support

At CEDIA, they combined an HDHomeRun Prime (with a cable card) with a Tablo, and were able to record cable from the Prime and distribute it to devices on the Tablo network.

While I doubt I will use cable again, I like that Tablo is still trying to come up with good ideas to please their customers.
qz3fwd's Avatar qz3fwd 04:51 PM 09-09-2014
Interesting-so the Table folks have written software to setup a DTCP-IP handshake with the HDHomeRun and setup streaming to the Tablo (presumably only in transcoded h.264)?
That is what it sounds like. I wonder if Copy Once flagged material works? Or only Copy Freely?
csmith's Avatar csmith 10:59 AM 09-10-2014
I wonder if the regular/OTA-only HDHomeRun would work too. Especially if you already have one...that way you could have 4 to 6 tuners.

I understand that at least on the Roku, you only get 2.0 sound. Is this true for other devices (i.e. AppleTv)?

It would be nice to see a XBMC Tablo app too. Since my Roku3 can't handle many file types, I use XBMC (Raspberry Pi) to stream from my media server (yes I've tried Plex, but PQ isn't as good and bothers my eyes).
snowcat's Avatar snowcat 11:17 AM 09-10-2014
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Originally Posted by csmith View Post

I understand that at least on the Roku, you only get 2.0 sound. Is this true for other devices (i.e. AppleTv)?
One of the Tablo admins posted this today. http://community.tablotv.com/discuss...d-sound#latest

We do mixdown the full 5.1 to two channel AAC which preserves the surround info. A Dolby pro-logic decoder should be able to retrieve it (although not as well as a discrete 5.1 AC3 digital stream).

I don't know a whole lot about surround sound, but this makes it sound like it's possible to get surround sound from the Tablo. But no one has given an example of a setup where it works.
TabloTV's Avatar TabloTV 12:31 PM 09-10-2014
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Originally Posted by qz3fwd View Post
Interesting-so the Table folks have written software to setup a DTCP-IP handshake with the HDHomeRun and setup streaming to the Tablo (presumably only in transcoded h.264)?
That is what it sounds like. I wonder if Copy Once flagged material works? Or only Copy Freely?
The HDHomeRun does all of the decryption, but only Copy Freely!
jnsmith02 06:03 PM 09-18-2014
Help TabloTV guy. I would like to upgrade my iPad to the new iOS 8 but am not sure your Tablo app 1.1.1 will work with iOS 8. Can help with an answer? It works perfectly on my iPad and I don't want to mess that up.


Thanks, Jim
latreche34's Avatar latreche34 03:32 AM 09-19-2014
Local channels in my opinion are not worth spending all that money on hardware to schedule record them, I didn't mean to rain on your parade guys but I myself have several local HD channels as well as few clear QAM HD cable channels and I don't see the need to DVR them, they rerun shows for several weeks anyways. A premium content maybe worth doing but then the provider will have all those features in their boxes, Just my $0.02
snowcat's Avatar snowcat 04:34 AM 09-19-2014
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Originally Posted by jnsmith02 View Post
Help TabloTV guy. I would like to upgrade my iPad to the new iOS 8 but am not sure your Tablo app 1.1.1 will work with iOS 8. Can help with an answer? It works perfectly on my iPad and I don't want to mess that up.


Thanks, Jim
Don't do it yet. There is a bug right now where live TV will crash in IOS8 if you scroll down to the bottom of your channel list. The Tablo folks are fixing it, but it will be at least a week before Apple approves the new version.

The rest of the app is fine under IOS8, so if you already have upgraded, just be careful with live tv viewing. Or, you can use the Safari or Chrome browser on the iPad to use the Tablo instead. It is only the app that has this bug.
Charles R's Avatar Charles R 06:01 AM 09-19-2014
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Originally Posted by latreche34 View Post
Local channels in my opinion are not worth spending all that money on hardware to schedule record them, I didn't mean to rain on your parade guys but I myself have several local HD channels as well as few clear QAM HD cable channels and I don't see the need to DVR them, they rerun shows for several weeks anyways.
Thanks. I'll cancel my 45 or so series recordings and donate my WMC computer to Goodwill.
Brajesh's Avatar Brajesh 06:42 AM 09-19-2014
Charles, no, I get first dibs ! Seriously, point of a DVR is to schedule so you can watch shows when you want. And, we're in a sort of golden age for TV these days... lots of good shows on OTA, paid, and streaming.
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