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I posted this in the HDTV Hardware forum but it hasn't generated much interest. I would have thought that this would be huge news.

According to the Jan/Feb issue of "The Perfect Vision" DirecTV will demonstrate a new HD capable TiVo at CES with delivery sometime in 2003. The actual quote is near the bottom of the following thread:

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-v...6244#post896244

I checked for the magazine today but my local bookstore does not have it yet. According to the post referenced above the quote was in the HDTV Insider Column. I would assume that this came from Gary Merson and his information is usually very reliable.
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Yes, this came from Gary Merson . He said "A Directv spokesperson told me recently that an HDTV TIVO would be shown at the January CES with delivery in 2003". That's the only reference to a possible HD TIVO in the magazine.

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I would think that Sonic Blue would be more cutting edge on the h/w than SONY or other Direct TV TiVo hardware. They did bring us broadband connection ;-). Any news on Replay TV anyone?
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In another article in the same magazine, it was stated that the DirecTV has agreed to add firewire to its STBs, which may allow DVHS recordings.

More info should be available next week from CES attendees.

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I checked for the magazine today but my local bookstore does not have it yet. According to the post referenced above the quote was in the HDTV Insider Column. I would assume that this came from Gary Merson and his information is usually very reliable.
His last bit of info was Conan HD the first week of December, 2002. Get another source for verification and more people will be happy!!
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His last bit of info was Conan HD the first week of December, 2002. Get another source for verification and more people will be happy!!
I was under the impression NBC already was making the HD transition and were scheduled for an early 2003 launch. Even the FAQ in the Programming section reports this (although it cites Gary Merson as the source). So he isn't necessarily wrong when providing this information -- and we all should know that networks experience problems that delay HD transmissions more often than not.
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....can't wait to see what this thing can't do (aka restrictions). Seriously, I can't wait to see it announced! But I'm dreading the fact that it won't work as desired.
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I'm curious to see if this unit will be capable of recording OTA HD or only the DirecTV HD channels. Obviously, it would be cool if it could do both.

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His last bit of info was Conan HD the first week of December, 2002. Get another source for verification and more people will be happy!!
It was posted a while back that Conan was going to be delayed into early 2003.

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If it aint standalone, with component inputs, its of no use to me.

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If it aint standalone, with component inputs, its of no use to me.

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Then I fear you will never have HD Tivo. All HD originates already compressed. You can get an OTA tuner cheaper than getting an HD encoder. With an integrated unit, you would be set and it will be much cheaper, plus much better quality than using analog input. Just like the DirecTivo is better quality than a stand alone Tivo.

The only ones who would be S-O-L is people who get their HD via cable. In that case, you should be hoping for an HD Cable Tivo. An HDTivo with an encoder is a long way off and possibly will never happen because of the much better market for integrated units, as well as their superior performance at a lower cost.

The future of PVR is not the stand alone unit.
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Seems like the most sense for it is an integrated tuner-recorder unit.
If PVR comes to HDTV with ability to record things like HBO, then I don't
really care about other recording methods (DVHS).

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""Seems like the most sense for it is an integrated tuner-recorder unit.
If PVR comes to HDTV with ability to record things like HBO, then I don't
really care about other recording methods (DVHS).

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I have a need for both. I would like to be able to timeshift on something other then tape. But I really do like the ability to achive and see moves I really onjoy at a later date in the future. The day I can't archive is the day that the movie channels become much less valuable to me. I'm afraid Hollywood really would like us only to be able to timeshift.

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Well, if they have dual tuner HD-DirecTivo with firewire out and an OTA reception, then they have THE box to get.
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I Hope Sony Comes out with a SAT-HD200 with TiiVo, and also put a EEPROM in for the config info so you don't have to re program it every time there is a power hit.
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Originally posted by tonyb100 I have a need for both. I would like to be able to timeshift on something other then tape. But I really do like the ability to achive and see moves I really onjoy at a later date in the future. The day I can't archive is the day that the movie channels become much less valuable to me. I'm afraid Hollywood really would like us only to be able to timeshift.

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If the PVR doesn't have a LARGE hdd (like the 921's 250gb hdd) then being able to save to an external device is IMPORTANT to me. Tony, how would you feel if you couldnt output to dvhs, but you could output an encoded format to a pc's drive, that you must upload back to the same unit to watch? Say, data files through ethernet?
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jcblack,

That is a good idea, although Tivo is really easy to upgrade. They even have a 4 drive adapter for Tivo. With 4x200 GB drives, you could easily hold 100 hours of HD content or 800 hours of NTSC content. Even without that 4 drive adapter, you could push it up to 400 GB if the unit could accept drives larger than 128 GB. If not, you are stuck at 30 hours on a 2 drive unit.
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What would be even cooler is the ability to send that 19mbps HD stream over a 100mb LAN to and from, say, an NFS mount to a large disk array. :)
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Here is the press release:

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/030109/sfth080_1.html

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Reading the news releases, you will be able to share video within a house. From the details on the combo unit that has atsc and DirecTV, it will have that blasted DVI, not firewire ! So much for "save to dvhs" for storing your shows :(

I hope DirecTV changes its mind about firewire. I would love to have just one cord between all my equipment.
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If they don't provide firewire it makes the dish option look much more attractive. I would like the ability to archive a movie off HBO and SHO once a while.
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If they don't provide firewire it makes the dish option look much more attractive. I would like the ability to archive a movie off HBO and SHO once a while.
While the ability to archive would be nice IMHO it is offset by the functionality of the TiVo software. Have you ever used a Dish PVR product? They are really not in the same league as TiVo. The 921 will be based on the 721 software which means it is timer based not show based. The Dish PVR products also tend to be buggy. This will be exacerbated if Dish has to rush the 921 to market to beat the new HD Tivo.
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While the ability to archive would be nice IMHO it is offset by the functionality of the TiVo software. Have you ever used a Dish PVR product? They are really not in the same league as TiVo. The 921 will be based on the 721 software which means it is timer based not show based. The Dish PVR products also tend to be buggy. This will be exacerbated if Dish has to rush the 921 to market to beat the new HD Tivo.
Yeah, yeah, Tivo is the greatest thing since sliced cheese. ;) I look forward to evaluating the interfaces of both. As I own a Tivo right now, I will be hoping that the 921 comes out first so I can play with the user interfaces. If it good enough and I can archive to tape, I will be going to dish if there is no firewire on the tivo.

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Is there no news on the size of the hard drive that will be in this unit or the maximum HD recording time?

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PVR users obviously come in two flavors. Archivers and Non-archivers.

I've owned a DirecTV PVR for three years now and can't live without it. But I honestly can say I've never onced archived a show.

But with the HDTV content coming, the urge may kick-in. Won't know what flavor I am until I see more content.

I can live without the Firewire for now, but the bigger influence for me is I use my AV receiver as my audio/video switch for home theater.

I hear the AV receiver makers are starting to integrate DVI and Firewire into their units. What ever wins in this are will be my final PVR decision. Watch CES for announcement on digital AV receiver switchers.
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With my 90 hour UTV, I hardly need the archiving. But with 20 hour HD I think it will be imperative. Especially with so much sports coming our way.

I am glad D* once again offered so much information....
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PVR users obviously come in two flavors. Archivers and Non-archivers.

I've owned a DirecTV PVR for three years now and can't live without it. But I honestly can say I've never onced archived a show.

But with the HDTV content coming, the urge may kick-in. Won't know what flavor I am until I see more content.

Same here. VCR's are so bad and SD content looks so bad there is no value in archiveing it off my t60. HD content is a different story. I would love to have some of the movies that are on Sho or HBO on tape.
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