Originally Posted by videobruce
I get all of that, but ATSC 3 should of been at least backwards compatible.
It's not really feasible to make backwards compatible modulation and codecs for OTA DTT if you have limited bandwith - it's not really an option.
OTA in Europe is a fraction of what it is here. Heck, don't most TV's have satellite tuners included??
No idea where you get the OTA idea from. Yes - some TVs have integrated satellite tuners but they also have integrated DVB-T2 tuners too (universally in the UK pretty much). Our Sony TV has 1 DVB-T/T2/C combo tuner and 2xDVB-S2. However in the UK the S2 tuner isn't that useful as the TV isn't Freesat licensed so you don't get a decent EPG. It's standard to be able to plug in a USB hard drive to your TV and use it as a PVR.
The DVB-S2 satellite tuners are there because in many countries there are Free-to-air (aka FTA) satellite services (Germany, the UK for instance) or there are encrypted, non-pay services (only encrypted to restrict viewing to specific countries) which you can receive using a slot-in CAM (Conditional Access Module - a bit like a US Cable Card) which all European TVs must have a slot for (to allow encryption on terrestrial, cable and satellite without mandating a set-top box) It's one of the benefits of DVB being a family of standards for OTA, cable and satellite.
In the UK in 2013 these were the figures for OTA Freeview vs Pay-TV Virgin Media Cable vs Pay-TV Sky Satellite vs FTA Freesat : https://ukfree.tv/article/1107052089...ble_homes_are_
25.1m households. 19.2m received Freeview OTA, 9.4m received Sky Pay satellite, 3.3m received cable, 2.1m received Freesat free satellite. Obviously this adds up to more than 25.1m as many homes have more than one source. We have Freeview OTA and Sky pay Satellite on our main TV, and Freeview OTA on secondary TVs.
Originally Posted by eherberg
I'm not sure digital terrestrial is a fraction over there. The last numbers I saw (2 years ago, I think) still had it as the most popular in terms of usage. I remember reading at the time about the digital transition in Europe and how there were a lot of people looking to cash in by creating pay TV services at the time - only to see most of them fail and close up shop because Europe isn't as pay-TV aligned as we are here.
Varies country by country. OTA is big in the UK, and pretty popular in places like France. However in Germany free sate satellite is popular. In Benelux cable is bigger.
You're right about pay-TV though. In the UK OTA Pay-TV was catastrophic - however in many other countries there are more Pay than Free channels on OTA.
Originally Posted by jjeff
But don't forget, satellite TV in Europe isn't all pay TV
like here. There are many free satellite services in Europe most?? with a nice free guide, much better than the PSIP we have in N. America.
As mentioned, most?? TVs and DVRs in Europe come with a Freeview
tuner to directly tune the satellites. Sample Freeview device:
Originally Posted by eherberg
I think we're confusing Freeview and Freesat. As far as I know, Freeview is still received via aerial - while Freesat is free-to-air satellite.
Freeview = OTA DVB-T
Freeview HD = OTA DVB-T2
Freeview + / Freeview HD + = PVR
(all the above via an aerial/antenna)
Freesat = free-to-air satellite DVB-S
Freesat HD = free-to-air satellite DVB-S2
Freesat + / Freesat HD + = PVR
(all the above via a satellite dish or distributed satellite feed)
Freeview has an open, standard DVB EPG. Freeview HD and Freesat / Freesat HD EPGs are proprietary and licensed. These days every TV sold here is Freeview HD, and some also have Freesat HD tuners. (However some manufacturers only license their TVs for Freeview and don't bother licensing for Freesat, as that requires two licensing fees. Other territories the TV is sold in in Europe will not require licensing for a DVB-S/S2 or DVB-T/T2 EPG to work - so it's a decision taken across Europe. These days the same identical models of TV are sold across the whole continent - with mains plug adaptors or different IEC cables fitted to cope with mains plug differences - so compatibility with the multiple local variations of DVB implementations is required. (Different countries use different options in the DVB spec for things like subtitles, audio codec, video codec, EPG, digital text services, online streaming - as DVB includes integrated IPTV functionality, MHEG 5 vs MHP vs HbbTV vs World Systems Teletext etc.)