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ethune's Avatar ethune 12:29 PM 04-26-2004
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FSugino's Avatar FSugino 01:00 PM 04-26-2004
Looks veeeeery interesting...
wco81's Avatar wco81 02:02 PM 04-26-2004
There's a short WSJ article. Some are portraying this as the death knell for Tivo, because this and other deployments signal the fact that Tivo has failed to win the cable operators. One analyst claims by 2006-2007, the Moxi could dominate the HDTV recording market.

Supposedly uses some Intel chip and Linux. Talks about sharing but it's not clear if 802.11 is included or an option for the digital media sharing features. The main obstcle for Moxi is that they cost the cable operators $500 or more to deploy. The speculated pricing is $10 a month.

The pricing for Moxi will be key. If cable operators charge only $10 (not $15) while HD Tivo costs $1000 or even $600 up front (with a 1 year commitment), the relative merits of the devices will be rendered moot by the cash requirements among the masses. And even among a lot of enthusiast/early adopters too.

Of course, the amount of HDTV programming will be key. Right now, cable is ahead of satellite. So again, another bad omen for Tivo, at least the HD Tivo. Then again, people hate the cable companies and we know monthly fees are likely to remain more stable with satellite than cable.
Kipp Jones's Avatar Kipp Jones 02:58 PM 04-26-2004
HD Tivo who???
vj9999's Avatar vj9999 03:18 PM 04-26-2004
I think moving to this after TV Guide would leave all of us Comcast subscribers in shock.

http://www.moxi.com/prodserv/moxi_overview.jsp
jacmyoung's Avatar jacmyoung 03:26 PM 04-26-2004
So this is what was holding up the 6208s? Not just Tivo, Motorola is also in trouble.
Greg G's Avatar Greg G 03:32 PM 04-26-2004
As long as cable provides the only HD locals I'll subscribe and spring for whatever HD recorder hardware I can get my hands on. I still would prefer Tivo for it's amazing interface, reliablity and track record but I'm willing to check out something new.

-Greg

PS - Can I have it yet? :D
jcblack's Avatar jcblack 04:01 PM 04-26-2004
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Originally posted by jacmyoung
So this is what was holding up the 6208s? Not just Tivo, Motorola is also in trouble.
Tivo is, but Motorola is a partner: http://digeo.com/partners/index.jsp
dfedders's Avatar dfedders 04:15 PM 04-26-2004
I remember hearing about Moxi about 3-4 years ago, and then I never saw their products available anywhere.

The box looked great back then, so we'll see. Hopefully it has a great interface like Tivo.
michaeltscott's Avatar michaeltscott 05:44 PM 04-26-2004
Competition is a great thing. Maybe this'll get TiVo off its butt vis-a-vis HD QAM and CableCARD. That is, if Moxi delivers--this stuff has been a long time coming. Small-market roll-out in the fall (if it happens) would probably translate into wide distribution starting next summer.
DaveFi's Avatar DaveFi 06:52 PM 04-26-2004
So what hardware are they going to be using?

The current Motorola boxes listed don't have Firewire, and as we know, it must have it.
jsb_hburg's Avatar jsb_hburg 07:22 PM 04-26-2004
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Originally posted by DaveFi
So what hardware are they going to be using?

The current Motorola boxes listed don't have Firewire, and as we know, it must have it.
It does have USB 2.0 for external hard drive expansion per the specs.
DaveFi's Avatar DaveFi 07:40 PM 04-26-2004
USB 2.0 ain't good enough.

Can't they just run the Moxi software on the 62xx boxes?
bfdtv's Avatar bfdtv 08:33 PM 04-26-2004
Charter Cable launched Moxi boxes today; they are available to customers in Rochester, Minn, effective immediately.

Charter Cable ordered 100,000 Moxi DVRs. Comcast just announced today that they ordered 40,000 Moxi boxes for trials this summer and fall. Depending on how customers respond to the new boxes, Comcast may roll them out to everyone next year.

It does record HD with both tuners. You can find out more about Moxi on their web page.. They have an video demo right here. You'll notice it has season passes, and search functionality similar to the Tivo. In their company profile, they indicate that the box was designed in part by former employees of Tivo.

http://www.digeo.com/assets/products...iMenu_find.jpg http://www.digeo.com/assets/products...ordedShows.jpg
bfdtv's Avatar bfdtv 09:01 PM 04-26-2004
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USB 2.0 ain't good enough.
USB 2.0 (~60 megabytes/s) is more than adequate to record two HD streams simultaneously while playing back a third (<7.3 megabytes/s). USB 2.0 controllers have matured to the point where they are capable of very close to the 480Mbps theoretical throughput.
DaveFi's Avatar DaveFi 09:14 PM 04-26-2004
It might be good enough technically, but they still have to supply Firewire.
D_Doherty's Avatar D_Doherty 09:16 PM 04-26-2004
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USB 2.0 (~60 megabytes/s) is more than adequate to record two HD streams simultaneously while playing back a third (<7.3 megabytes/s). USB 2.0 controllers have matured to the point where they are capable of very close to the 480Mbps theoretical throughput.

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Bandwidth is not the issue, the ability to use an off the shelf D-VHS deck is.
mike_jensen99's Avatar mike_jensen99 09:36 PM 04-26-2004
Rochester? Charter? Argh, so close but so far... I've needed one of these since they were first on the scene.
GotHDTV?'s Avatar GotHDTV? 07:26 AM 04-27-2004
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Originally posted by DaveFi
It might be good enough technically, but they still have to supply Firewire.
Yeah! How come Firewire is not in their specs? What about archiving to D-VHS!?
dneily's Avatar dneily 07:53 AM 04-27-2004
The Harddrive is no larger than the one in the Moto 6208 = 80 GB. That seems too small for a dual tuner box (7 to 11 hours of HD).
dfriend's Avatar dfriend 08:04 AM 04-27-2004
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Originally posted by mike_jensen99
Rochester? Charter? Argh, so close but so far... I've needed one of these since they were first on the scene.
Heh, I'm in Roch. I'm also supposed to be talking to a senior tech today so I'll have to ask about this.
DaveFi's Avatar DaveFi 08:50 AM 04-27-2004
It is going to truly suck if they only supply the 62xx to those who want Firewire.
bfdtv's Avatar bfdtv 09:39 AM 04-27-2004
dfriend,

Please inquire as to the cost of the service, and what it includes for the price.
bfdtv's Avatar bfdtv 09:40 AM 04-27-2004
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It is going to truly suck if they only supply the 62xx to those who want Firewire.
I think that is going to be the trend for the next year -- the boxes with Firewire will the the cheapest ones they can buy. They'll skip Firewire on the more expensive boxes to save a few dollars.
HD Rookie's Avatar HD Rookie 09:59 AM 04-27-2004
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Originally posted by bfdtv
I think that is going to be the trend for the next year -- the boxes with Firewire will the the cheapest ones they can buy. They'll skip Firewire on the more expensive boxes to save a few dollars.
I thought firewire was a cable company "requirement" as of 4/1/04???
Hopefully the specs you are looking at are slightly outdated.
HDHTPC's Avatar HDHTPC 10:02 AM 04-27-2004
Did they license "trick play" and "season pass" features from TiVo?
HDHTPC's Avatar HDHTPC 10:04 AM 04-27-2004
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Originally posted by HD Rookie
I thought firewire was a cable company "requirement" as of 4/1/04???
Hopefully the specs you are looking at are slightly outdated.
It is a mandate that they offer ~something~ with IEEE1394.
They could replace Moxi's (without) with some other box
that has IEEE1394 for those customers that insist.
warr's Avatar warr 10:43 AM 04-27-2004
If you were able to off-load from the internal HD to an external HD via the USB2, would that not be very good? Would there be a real need to archive to DVHS if that were the case?
hongcho's Avatar hongcho 11:25 AM 04-27-2004
> Can't they just run the Moxi software on the 62xx boxes?

I think the Moxi software is x86-based (as is the Motorola STB platform for Moxi is). It may be easier to hack (it could just be a PC).

> Bandwidth is not the issue, the ability to use an off the shelf D-VHS deck is.

I think more people have "off-the-shelf" PCs with USB ports than D-VHS.

Hong.
sipester's Avatar sipester 12:14 PM 04-27-2004
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Originally posted by warr
If you were able to off-load from the internal HD to an external HD via the USB2, would that not be very good? Would there be a real need to archive to DVHS if that were the case?
I think that is a good point. Why mess with tapes if you can dump it on some sort of external hard drive that can be accessed from the Moxi Menu? With only an 80-gig hard drive, it is important to have some sort of archiving capability.

Ignoring the potential archiving capabilities of this box, TIVO could still make a better product than this right now if they combined HD Tivo box with the Pioneer Tivo/DVD Recorder with the Home Media Option. Why don't they make that? Plus, Tivo is planning on adding some additional capabilities to the HMO such as XM Radio.

Back to the Moxi product, if it can be connected to external hard drives, is there any chance they could have it access ripped movies a la kaleidescape?
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