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Comcast forced me to switch boxes recently, saying my old DHC3416 (?) wouldn't work anymore due to a change in their transmission, and although the new Motorola RNG200N seemed to work initially using the firewire out to my JVC D-VHS recorder, it then got glitchy, cut out for no apparent reason and needed frequent rebooting, but now it seems totally dead for all channels.

I need a smart person here who can translate the jargon on my service menu screen which I believe tells me if I should have any success. My JVC D-VHS deck seems to successfully see a signal it calls "DCX-3500" and most TV stations I access all say: "CCI: 0x00, DRM: 0x01" but HBOHD says: "CCI: 0x02, DRM: 0x01". Thing is I unfortunately never bothered to check what the old box said about these channels because they all worked, even HBOHD, but now I can't get anything. Would some translator here please tell me if I have any hope?
CCI 0 = Copy Freely
CCI 2 = Copy Only Once
Your DVH deck should be able to record both signals, but your JVC deck will not allow copies of the first recording on 0x2 flagged material.
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CCI 0 = Copy Freely
CCI 2 = Copy Only Once
Your DVH deck should be able to record both signals, but your JVC deck will not allow copies of the first recording on 0x2 flagged material.
Thanks. How about a translation guide for the "DRM: 0x01" status part of it? I assume it stands for digital rights management, right?

P.S. Or might you know of any other reason why firewire shows as connected and enabled, "Yes", but has no image?

In A/V reproduction accuracy, there IS no concept of "accounting for personal taste/preference". As art consumers we don't "pick" the level of bass, nor the tint/brightness of a scene's sky, any more than we pick the ending of a novel or Mona Lisa's type of smile. "High fidelity" means "high truthfulness", faithful to the original artist's intent: an unmodified, neutral, accurate copy of the original master, ideally being exact and with no discernable alterations, aka "transparency".

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I've read and experienced dvr with 1 firewire out is glitchy and will not give a clean recording to d-vhs deck. You need 2 outputs even though only 1 is being used. Of course all newer boxes only seem to have 1 output.
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My 6416 stopped working (kept rebooting constantly). Now can't get any picture to come up. Don't think hard drive is bad , maybe power supply. Is it possible to get these things fixed? Dvr at 100% full and can't get unit to stay on to get programs off of it to d-vhs deck.
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I'm trying to post a question as a reply to post #6004 from TN0821 (not being allowed to quote that post):

I have a Motorola DCX3510-M and I'm trying what you had posted. I have Win8.1x32, firewire cable not yet connected and when I attempt (actually attempted several times) to install your STB driver, no driver for 'digital AV/C tuner' or sometimes it shows 'Motorola DCX35xx AV/C Panel' (as shown with yellow indicator in devmgr)' ever gets installed. Since this is an MSI file (with no apparent means to extract contents to attempt manual driver install), I don't know to further proceed.
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I'm trying to post a question as a reply to post #6004 from TN0821 (not being allowed to quote that post):

I have a Motorola DCX3510-M and I'm trying what you had posted. I have Win8.1x32, firewire cable not yet connected and when I attempt (actually attempted several times) to install your STB driver, no driver for 'digital AV/C tuner' or sometimes it shows 'Motorola DCX35xx AV/C Panel' (as shown with yellow indicator in devmgr)' ever gets installed. Since this is an MSI file (with no apparent means to extract contents to attempt manual driver install), I don't know to further proceed.
I'm not sure that the 3510-M is supported by the driver package. I'm 99% sure that the 3501 is the newest model that it has been tested with. The driver just gets staged on your computer until the next time you plug in the FireWire cable. Once you plug it in, the driver actually gets installed. You can find the staged driver at C:\Windows\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\fir estb.inf_x86_71511a39bff1be9d\
You can ignore the PNF file in that folder. The only files you need are firestb.inf, meistb.sys and mstapeo.sys.

You can also decompress the MSI file to get these files. Install 7-Zip and right-click on the MSI file and use the 7-Zip "Extract To..." option. Go into the folder where you extracted the files and locate Data1.cab. Right-click on Data1.cab and use the 7-Zip "Extract To..." option. Go into the folder where you extracted the files and you'll find firestb.inf, meistb.sys and mstapeo.sys (as well as a lot of other files).

And it may be that the driver is being properly installed. The Motorola DCX series has had epic struggles with FireWire, so any issue that you are experiencing could be because of a flaw in the firmware of the 3510. I myself gave up on using the DCX-3400 several years ago due to problems with the firmware that Motorola never addressed as far as I ever saw (I've read one or two people claim that they eventually fixed it, but I've seen no actual evidence of it, just hearsay). I opted to use an old DCH-3416, which worked great until earlier this year when my cable company switched from MPEG2 to MPEG4 compression. My current cable box does not have FireWire and I honestly don't miss performing FireWire captures.

If you want assistance with troubleshooting this just send my a private message. I'm interested enough to spend a bit of time on this if you want me to set up a WebEx session and help you diagnose what is going on.

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How to record MPEG-4 FireWire stream?

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QUOTE=TNO821;45568185] The Motorola DCX series has had epic struggles with FireWire, so any issue that you are experiencing could be because of a flaw in the firmware of the 3510. I myself gave up on using the DCX-3400 several years ago due to problems with the firmware that Motorola never addressed as far as I ever saw (I've read one or two people claim that they eventually fixed it, but I've seen no actual evidence of it, just hearsay). I opted to use an old DCH-3416, which worked great until earlier this year when my cable company switched from MPEG2 to MPEG4 compression. My current cable box does not have FireWire and I honestly don't miss performing FireWire captures.
TN0821, I knew well the "epic struggles" with the FireWire on the Motorola DCX series in the past, so I was filled with dread recently when my trusty old DCH-3416 finally gave up the ghost (power supply) and I had to take it to the Comcast office. They were adamant that I could not get another DCH-3416, and they couldn't understand why I didn't want an X1 box. I was able to get a DCX-3401 but I really didn't expect the FireWire to work worth crap. To my great surprise, it works very well for FireWire capture now, and I subsequently obtained a DCX-3501 as well, and it's the same story there. The glitchiness of the past seems to have been fixed with updated firmware somewhere along the way.

So I am happily continuing to use CapDVHS with Windows XP, but I am wondering what will happen when the migration to MPEG-4 happens in my area (it's imminent --- like, in the next few weeks). As I understand it, they will phase in MPEG-4 on certain channels gradually, and I guess I'll know when CapDVHS doesn't work for a particular channel that it must be putting out MPEG-4 through the FireWire. Channels that remain MPEG-2, like my local broadcast channels, should still be recordable. Do you have any idea what other software will work to record an MPEG-4 stream? I thought I saw a post somewhere claiming that VLC can do the job.

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Channels that remain MPEG-2, like my local broadcast channels, should still be recordable. Do you have any idea what other software will work to record an MPEG-4 stream? I thought I saw a post somewhere claiming that VLC can do the job.
I always assumed CAPDvhs just writes the stream to disc, I bet the move to MPEG4 will only impact what you play it back with.

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TN0821, I knew well the "epic struggles" with the FireWire on the Motorola DCX series in the past, so I was filled with dread recently when my trusty old DCH-3416 finally gave up the ghost (power supply) and I had to take it to the Comcast office. They were adamant that I could not get another DCH-3416, and they couldn't understand why I didn't want an X1 box. I was able to get a DCX-3401 but I really didn't expect the FireWire to work worth crap. To my great surprise, it works very well for FireWire capture now, and I subsequently obtained a DCX-3501 as well, and it's the same story there. The glitchiness of the past seems to have been fixed with updated firmware somewhere along the way.

So I am happily continuing to use CapDVHS with Windows XP, but I am wondering what will happen when the migration to MPEG-4 happens in my area (it's imminent --- like, in the next few weeks). As I understand it, they will phase in MPEG-4 on certain channels gradually, and I guess I'll know when CapDVHS doesn't work for a particular channel that it must be putting out MPEG-4 through the FireWire. Channels that remain MPEG-2, like my local broadcast channels, should still be recordable. Do you have any idea what other software will work to record an MPEG-4 stream? I thought I saw a post somewhere claiming that VLC can do the job.
I'm not sure if CapDVHS will handle MPEG4, but there's a good chance that it will. I think you'll just have to wait and see. I've also read that VLC can be used to capture streams, so there's a good chance that it could be used as well. Time will tell.
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I always assumed CAPDvhs just writes the stream to disc, I bet the move to MPEG4 will only impact what you play it back with.
I agree.
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I'm having FIOS installed next week, accoring to the rep I talked to I will be getting the Motorola 7216 and 7100-P2

The firewire drivers worked with the Motorola models I had with Comcast a few years ago, will the same drivers work with the 7216? And will they work with the 7100-P2 to record live TV?

Received my set top boxes from Fios yesterday. They didn't send Motorola like they said and sent Cisco chs335 and a 435 DVR. Looking through this thread, people have not had good luck with those

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I'm having FIOS installed next week, accoring to the rep I talked to I will be getting the Motorola 7216 and 7100-P2

The firewire drivers worked with the Motorola models I had with Comcast a few years ago, will the same drivers work with the 7216? And will they work with the 7100-P2 to record live TV?

Received my set top boxes from Fios yesterday. They didn't send Motorola like they said and sent Cisco chs335 and a 435 DVR. Looking through this thread, people have not had good luck with those
The Motorola QIP 7216 and 7100-P2 will work with the drivers, yes. I see no chance in hell of the Cisco units working with them.
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I have been working on an alternate to CapDVHS and will post an executable when its ready-if anyone still cares-that does not rely on XP and run on Win7+.
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I have been working on an alternate to CapDVHS and will post an executable when its ready-if anyone still cares-that does not rely on XP and run on Win7+.
Very nice!
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I have been working on an alternate to CapDVHS and will post an executable when its ready-if anyone still cares-that does not rely on XP and run on Win7+.
Have been using CapDVHS for almost 10 years (Comcast Chicago), and only about a year ago, was forced to give up my own trusty old DCH-3416 (as so many here seem to have used for as long as I have) and got a DCX-3400 (also like many here were given with no choice). Once I was able to get the right drivers loaded, I was able to capture the MPEG-2 stream just like before, with little of the old glitchiness. BUT.. in the past few months, suddenly.. many channels were not capturing any more (including my beloved TCM-HD). I was sure it was like some of the odd glitches we'd seen with certain channels in past, or WORSE- they were suddenly 5C!

And tonight, I had a EUREKA moment.

Was curious if a capture had worked, and tried to play it back (even though CapDVHS said I'd not captured anything) and.. VOILA.. it played! WHAT? it played? Not 5C?

And then I came here, and realized.. awe crap.. they're migrating these channels to MPEG-4, aren't they?

Guess we don't have an option to cap them in MPEG-2 any longer, hm? Or EDIT in MPEG-2 either? BUT.. my experience was that, even though CapDVHS was indicating that it was NOT capturing anything, it DID capture the MPEG-4 stream, which can be played back (will need an editing alternative now...) Will be curious if there's CapDVHS alternative yet that will allow, show proper stream capture info.

Thank you guys SO MUCH for FINALLY allowing me to understand what's been going on with my captures for MONTHS!
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Just FYI, CapDVHS is supposed to also show the audio stream parameters. But almost nobody has ever seen those parameters filled in. That's because they only work with MPEG-1 audio, not the typical AC3 audio on OTA and cable systems.

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Comcast is currently converting HD channels from MPEG-2 to H.264 here in the Bay Area. I've been putting it off, but after the latest round of channel conversions, I had to replace my DCH-3200 with an RNG110.

The IEEE1394 port on the RNG110 is enabled, but it's operation is not correct. PAT and PMT is missing and there's a huge amount of stuffing packets on PID 0x1fff. No D-VHS box of any kind can ever work with an RNG110.

However, the video and audio streams are present. With some software trickery, I was able to capture a workable Transport Stream for both MPEG-2 and H.264 channels.

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I'm not sure that the 3510-M is supported by the driver package. I'm 99% sure that the 3501 is the newest model that it has been tested with. The driver just gets staged on your computer until the next time you plug in the FireWire cable. Once you plug it in, the driver actually gets installed. You can find the staged driver at C:\Windows\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\fir estb.inf_x86_71511a39bff1be9d\
You can ignore the PNF file in that folder. The only files you need are firestb.inf, meistb.sys and mstapeo.sys.

You can also decompress the MSI file to get these files. Install 7-Zip and right-click on the MSI file and use the 7-Zip "Extract To..." option. Go into the folder where you extracted the files and locate Data1.cab. Right-click on Data1.cab and use the 7-Zip "Extract To..." option. Go into the folder where you extracted the files and you'll find firestb.inf, meistb.sys and mstapeo.sys (as well as a lot of other files).

And it may be that the driver is being properly installed. The Motorola DCX series has had epic struggles with FireWire, so any issue that you are experiencing could be because of a flaw in the firmware of the 3510. I myself gave up on using the DCX-3400 several years ago due to problems with the firmware that Motorola never addressed as far as I ever saw (I've read one or two people claim that they eventually fixed it, but I've seen no actual evidence of it, just hearsay). I opted to use an old DCH-3416, which worked great until earlier this year when my cable company switched from MPEG2 to MPEG4 compression. My current cable box does not have FireWire and I honestly don't miss performing FireWire captures.

If you want assistance with troubleshooting this just send my a private message. I'm interested enough to spend a bit of time on this if you want me to set up a WebEx session and help you diagnose what is going on.

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It won't let me send you a PM (post #6066). I forgot to subscribe to this thread before, so after about nearly 3 weeks, I stopped checking the thread and of course, you had responded just after that. I restored the image of a 'virgin' Win8x32 install and retried installing the STB driver. After plugging in the firewire cable, the driver appeared to install properly, but when I went into device manager, it showed a yellow ! (under 'Other devices/Motorola DCX35XX AV/C Panel') and when I checked properties, it showed 'drivers for this device are not installed (code 28)'. I tried to update driver and point to the extracted folder that had the .inf files you had indicated, but it came back with 'could not find driver software...'.

Tried to 'pick from list of device drivers...', and found under 'imaging devices', the driver for Motorola AV/C Panel Device (DCX-3501) and that appeared to install properly (now it shows up in devmgr under Imaging Devices without an '!'), but I don't know if that's the correct driver. In either case (with either driver installed), CapDVHS fails to capture. It shows capture device as 'Digitial AV/C Tuner Device (Unknown Video #1) and when I attempt capture, error message 'error 80070057: Cannot start capture'.

Perhaps I'm wasting my time here - I'm attempting to capture recordings from the Motorola DCX3510, but I'm reading elsewhere that CapDVHS will only capture MPEG2, but you and others in this thread have mentioned that DVR's now are utilizing MPEG4 compression.
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It sounds like CapDVHS can capture MPEG-4, but it displays an error message making it seem like it isn't capturing. That might be what you are getting. Unfortunately I can't test this at all, as I have recently moved and do not have cable/sat/anything currently.

It sounds like the driver is installed.
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It sounds like CapDVHS can capture MPEG-4, but it displays an error message making it seem like it isn't capturing. That might be what you are getting. Unfortunately I can't test this at all, as I have recently moved and do not have cable/sat/anything currently.

It sounds like the driver is installed.
I checked via Resource Monitor and no relevant disk i/o was taking place that would indicate that any capture was taking place (before or after clicking on 'Rec'). Also, it's randomly either displaying the '...cannot start capture' or BSOD with kmode_exception_not_handled - meistb.sys.

I guess it's game over
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I checked via Resource Monitor and no relevant disk i/o was taking place that would indicate that any capture was taking place (before or after clicking on 'Rec'). Also, it's randomly either displaying the '...cannot start capture' or BSOD with kmode_exception_not_handled - meistb.sys.

I guess it's game over
Whoa, I've never seen a BSOD from a FireWire capture! That's messed up. I'm going to suggest that you not spend more time on that. It's not meant to be.
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I did retry a fresh install of Win10x32 on a different spare box (and install the STB driver) and was able to repeat the above problems. The only thing different this time is that the Motorola DCX-35xx tuner appeared in CapDVHS as a capture device (it didn't before because I had previously selected the Motorola DCX-35xx Panel Device during driver install - this time, it automatically detected Motorola DCX-35xx Tuner) and now a new error appears "Error 80040217: cannot connect SampleGrabber", and at random times, followed by the same BSOD on subsequent attempts.
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I did retry a fresh install of Win10x32 on a different spare box (and install the STB driver) and was able to repeat the above problems. The only thing different this time is that the Motorola DCX-35xx tuner appeared in CapDVHS as a capture device (it didn't before because I had previously selected the Motorola DCX-35xx Panel Device during driver install - this time, it automatically detected Motorola DCX-35xx Tuner) and now a new error appears "Error 80040217: cannot connect SampleGrabber", and at random times, followed by the same BSOD on subsequent attempts.
The DCX-3510 may not like the brand of FireWire that you are connecting it to. Texas Instruments FireWire controllers are what has worked the best for me. You can check this in Windows Device Manager.
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The DCX-3510 may not like the brand of FireWire that you are connecting it to. Texas Instruments FireWire controllers are what has worked the best for me. You can check this in Windows Device Manager.
It's a generic VIA 1394 OHCI Compliant Host Controller (it's a generic PCI firewire card I got on ebay). Is there any software that can actually test the card to see if data is actually received and or sent? It may be the cable box may be blocking firewire data from being sent, even though when I go into the DVR diagnostics, it shows that the firewire port as active.
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It's a generic VIA 1394 OHCI Compliant Host Controller (it's a generic PCI firewire card I got on ebay). Is there any software that can actually test the card to see if data is actually received and or sent? It may be the cable box may be blocking firewire data from being sent, even though when I go into the DVR diagnostics, it shows that the firewire port as active.
It's showing up as a device in CapDVHS, so that proves that the port is not disabled and at least some data is being sent. I've had problems with Via FireWire controllers in the past, so that's my bet for why BSOD's are being seen.
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It's showing up as a device in CapDVHS, so that proves that the port is not disabled and at least some data is being sent. I've had problems with Via FireWire controllers in the past, so that's my bet for why BSOD's are being seen.
Thanks. I'll try it with a TI-based FireWire card and see what happens.
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I have been firewire capturing with CapDVHS for many years now, always from Comcast STB's --- and all of them Motorola --- in the Seattle area. The announced conversion to MPEG-4 had me worried for awhile, since I had assumed that CapDVHS would only work with an MPEG-2 stream. But I would just like to confirm that, for channels that have been switched to MPEG-4, like MSNBC and the Hallmark channels, for example, CapDVHS works just fine. The data tab does not populate with the stream parameters like it does with MPEG-2, but the resulting capture is great. Well, not as great as MPEG-2, in terms of picture quality, of course, but I'm pretty happy that the whole process still works. The AV/C tuner shows up as an imaging device in Device Manager, and I'm now using a Win 7 (32-bit) machine for my captures. For years, I had relied on an XP box. I had tried using the Win 7 box a few years ago but couldn't get it to work. I have 2 DVR's --- a DCX-3401 and a DCX-3501. The latter says RNG200 on the front panel, but if you look at the label on the underside of the box it says DCX-3501. I'm not sure why the Windows 7 box wouldn't work in the past, but it's certainly flawless now.
I would just like to express my appreciation to TNO821 for his longstanding support of this forum thread and the STB drivers. Thanks also to longtime contributors like bdraw and others. At some point, these old Motorola boxes are going to die or be obsoleted by some new wrinkle like IP-based video. But until then, I'm certainly happy to still be employing this method for archiving content that I want to keep. It will be a sad day for me when there is no option whatsoever for saving broadcast material to a PC and being able to hang on to it for many years, or save it to a DVD or Blu-ray, etc. But I hope I'm wrong.
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I would just like to express my appreciation to TNO821 for his longstanding support of this forum thread and the STB drivers. Thanks also to longtime contributors like bdraw and others. At some point, these old Motorola boxes are going to die or be obsoleted by some new wrinkle like IP-based video. But until then, I'm certainly happy to still be employing this method for archiving content that I want to keep. It will be a sad day for me when there is no option whatsoever for saving broadcast material to a PC and being able to hang on to it for many years, or save it to a DVD or Blu-ray, etc. But I hope I'm wrong.
I want to second this. I have been using the resources in this thread for 10 years now. I wouldn't be able to have archive the programs I have archived with out it.

As others have also experienced, Comcast is pressing hard right now to get me to upgrade to X1. I do not wish to do so but don't want to lose HD channels and my ability to capture using firewire.

Have people had a lot of success with the DCX-3501? I myself have 2 Moto DCHs and my parents have 3 of their own. Will the DCX be a suitable bandaid to "keep on keeping on"?
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Thanks. I'll try it with a TI-based FireWire card and see what happens.
Just installed a TI-based firewire controller and it shows up in DevMgr as 'Texas Instruments 1394 OHCI compliant host controller' and I still get the same errors as before, either 'cannot start capture' and on subsequent attempts, the same BSOD as before.
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