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brettb 02-16-2001 08:40 AM

what is this thing?? it looks cool anyway? sounds like in import?? will it work??http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1215249775


greenwing 02-16-2001 08:48 AM

The seller has zero previouis history on ebay...Buyer beware...

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newnan, ga usa

barry kelman 02-16-2001 11:13 AM

This looks very much like the unit that Li On tested several months ago. As I recall, he was unable to get it to work with the TU-DST51, or any other US consumer product.

Note that JVC stands for 'Japan Victor Corporation', so this is not a sister company of JVC, but JVC themselves - they just use the JVC brand here.

Li On, care to comment?

Thanx,
Barry

TraderGordo 02-16-2001 11:18 AM

Not sure of the history of JVC, but I thought they changed their name from Victor to JVC like 10 or more years ago?

Anyway, this "LOOKS" like the JVC DVHS machine we have been hearing about. The description is also consistent with Gary Merson's description of it in his last newsletter. It has i.Link in/out, which is actually very good news (no DVI). Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but i.Link is the same thing as "Firewire", which is the same thing as a 1394 interface right? If so, this thing should work with the 169Time recorder, which would be phat.

I hope these puppies will be selling down in the $1000 or lower range. Definitely wouldn't buy from some new ebay seller in Japan, but it looks good. And to be honest with you, I think most people should and will wait for a PC based recording solution which offers much more flexibility and cost savings in my opinion. You could definitely buy the PC based solution for less than $1000 (I'm talking a complete dedicated home theater bare bones separate machine from your regular pc) which will record about 10 hours of high definition. Add a tape backup, and you can archive anything you want. I believe you will be able to buy this solution very soon (within next few months).

The flip side is -- what will everyone do when JVC releases a 100 high def movies on DVHS and THEIR system is the only thing that plays them?

tmitchmd 02-16-2001 01:26 PM

This is the JVC 30000 which was shown modified with the DVI/HDCP interface at the recent CES. If compatible with ATSC (a big IF) then it will be a fabulous unit. JVC has expressed plans to import them this summer, but I believe this unlikely in the current environment.

rjcrum 02-16-2001 01:44 PM

Regarding i.Link....as far as I know, that is Sony's trademarked name for their implelemtation of the IEEE 1394 interface. I don't know all the details, but I belive their implementation varies somewhat from the standard regarding the availability of DC power through the interface. I'm surprise to see JVC use that....but on another look, that may be the SELLER saying 'i.Link' as a generic term for the 1394 interface.

Buyer beware.

ROBERT HUNZEKER 02-16-2001 03:33 PM

Be very careful with the ebay auctions for the japanese decks, they are ripping people off bigtime. The Sony DV/VHS deck on ebay right retails for $1400 and sells in Japan for around $8-900. THe DV/SVHS Sony retails for $1800 and goes for $1100. The are selling them on ebay for well over $2000 and making like they are giving you such a deal.

Bob H.

dkeller_NC 02-16-2001 05:29 PM

The flip side is -- what will everyone do when JVC releases a 100 high def movies on DVHS and THEIR system is the only thing that plays them?

Hopefully, absolutely nothing! http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/smile.gif


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brettb 02-16-2001 10:07 PM

I also see he is from Tokyo Japan, so beware of what you buy????
Its seems to be a sister company of JVC??

regards,
brett

juniormaj 02-17-2001 02:23 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by TraderGordo:
Not sure of the history of JVC, but I thought they changed their name from Victor to JVC like 10 or more years ago?

It has i.Link in/out, which is actually very good news (no DVI). Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but i.Link is the same thing as "Firewire", which is the same thing as a 1394 interface right?
JVC (Japan Victor Corporation) is still known and sold as "Victor" in Japan.
"i.Link" is Sony's brand name for IEEE1394.
"FireWire" is Apple's brand name for IEEE1394.
They are the same protocol, the only difference being who gets royalties for the name.


chap 02-17-2001 06:47 AM

In case you were wondering the full model # of this device it is the HM-DH30000. I was looking for an opportunity to buy this box, but I initially thought it had Component inputs on it, which the japanese version does not. The component outputs it has from my understanding aren't your typical RGB connections. Its actually a special D shaped connector which means unless you get some type of cable convertor that won't help you much either. After all of the looking and waiting for a DIFFERENT DVHS option to materialize, I think I might just get the Panasonic model, and wait for 169 to come out with a Dish 6000 model.

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STOP DVI/HDCP!!!!!

bbq@KL 02-17-2001 09:45 AM

HM-DH30000 costs about 160,000JPY=1381USD. (take a look at kakaku.com )
Note that it has one D1/2/3/4 termainal.

I guess that D terminal is only useful in Asia, huh? http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/smile.gif

BTW, what is the difference between SDI and D1 terminal in Japan?

Thanks.

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dahester 02-17-2001 12:28 PM

Although its ability to record from the Panasonic TU-DST50/51 is suspect, I believe this deck will work properly with any tapes recorded on the PV-HD1000. The specs do confirm the SPDIF output will handle Dolby Digital in addition to AAC (which is the Japanese DTV audio spec). In general terms, if a device can handle transport streams carrying MPEG-2 video and AC-3 audio, it will work with our ATSC DTV system.

What I'd like to know is if 169Time can reverse engineer the 1394 protocol for this deck. Also, we need to figure out what that funny D4/3/2/1 connector has on it, so we can get the video into standard YPrPb or RGB-HV form.

-D

tmitchmd 02-17-2001 02:28 PM

How does one access English on the Kakaku.com website?

Li On 02-26-2001 09:27 PM

Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by barry kelman:
This looks very much like the unit that Li On tested several months ago. As I recall, he was unable to get it to work with the TU-DST51, or any other US consumer product.

Li On, care to comment?

Thanx,
Barry
</font>
Hi Barry,

Didn't know my name was mentioned til I did a search! Anyway, it's the just released Victor HM-DH30000 DVHS deck.

I've now used the DH30000 for 4 days. And it's great!

The DH30000 is a most advance SVHS/VHS deck. But we're not interested in
that area! Let's talk about it's DVHS function.

The DH30000 can playback both US/Korea ATSC HD tape and Japanese HD tape
on it's own with it's internal picture/sound decoding. The video output is
in component YPrPb format at:

1. native, pass all formats including 480p/1080i/720p
2. 720p convert to 1080i, all others native
3. convert all formats to 480i (useless!)

The output connection at the back panel is in Japanese D-sub format but a
stock D-sub to 3 RCAs cable which I'm using now will take care the issue.

There's a optical digital audio output at the back panel. The sound format
can be set at 'native' or '2ch PCM'. At 'native' it'll pass the ATSC DD or
Japanese AAC format to external decoder. At '2ch PCM', it'll convert both
ATSC DD and Japanese AAC to PCM to external decoder. I haven't tried it's
analog audio yet.

Jaehong Lee (a avsforum member) confirmed the DH30000 works with the US
Panasonic STB TU-DST50/51 for HD recording. The DH30000 can playback all recorded HD tape but don't have a HDTV tuner buildin. You need a external STB with 1394 interface to use it's HD recording function.

Anyone want to get it can email me. Thanks in advance.

regards,

Li On

helfy 02-27-2001 08:02 AM

Where do I get one?? How much$$$$$

John Tuohy 02-27-2001 10:58 PM

"BTW, what is the difference between SDI and D1 terminal in Japan?"

I believe SDI is also called D-1.



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bbq@KL 02-28-2001 01:06 PM

"I believe SDI is also called D-1"

It is really interesting. http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/smile.gif

Toshiba SD-1200 is a DVD player with D1 output
http://www3.toshiba.co.jp/dvd/j/player/p_fr11fc.htm
http://www3.toshiba.co.jp/dvd/j/play...h/f_d1port.gif

The price of SD-1200 is (only) 19,500 yen.
http://kakaku.com/prdsearch/detail.a...duct=SD%2D1200 (about 165 dollars)

Both SDI and D1 support only 480i.

Besides, SDI is also known as SMPTE 259M.
http://www.smpte.org/stds/stnumber.html

Maybe there is a difference between D1 and SDI?
Otherwise, SD-1200 will not be that affordable. http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/smile.gif

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h2ofun 02-28-2001 10:58 PM

Is this has an SDI plug, does this mean you could drive with a modified DVD with an SDI output, put into this unit and project via STB?

dave


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